Summer Swim Canceled

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Anonymous wrote:Anything from NVSL yet?

Their board meets this afternoon

Hopefully they won’t make a final decision today.

There are a few teams making a strong push for canceling altogether. The vast majority have been quiet.

Is it clear why they are pushing to cancel completely right now?

I think those pools in NVSL wanting you scrap are not in good financial situations and want to know yes or no. I wish NVSL could figure out how to modify but the insurance is the tough part.

Maybe those pools should decide to not participate this year and not pressure the nvsl to make a hasty decision on behalf of the rest.

Take for example a swim club that has already decided to not open this summer. If a nearby club opens and there is some type of competitive swim team season the cub that isn’t opening stands to lose members to the others.

Most swim teams are limited to kids in the neighborhood or families who belong to the pool.

That sounds like an HOA pool. Our club mostly pulls from the immediate neighborhood, but we have members from a decent ways away. If a pool doesn’t open and a nearby pool does, then the families from the closed pool might go to the other. If there is some type of team season the kids could swim for that other team. We probably have at least 4 or 5 clubs within 2 miles of each other.

I have several pools within a 6 mile radius or so of my house (Arlington). But they all have crazy long waiting lists. They also have substantial corporate membership fees. If say Overlee doesn't open- but Tuckahoe does- I don't see a mass exodus from Overlee b/c it wouldn't help the kids this summer either way.

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Anonymous wrote:Anything from NVSL yet?

Their board meets this afternoon

Hopefully they won’t make a final decision today.

There are a few teams making a strong push for canceling altogether. The vast majority have been quiet.

Is it clear why they are pushing to cancel completely right now?

I think those pools in NVSL wanting you scrap are not in good financial situations and want to know yes or no. I wish NVSL could figure out how to modify but the insurance is the tough part.

Maybe those pools should decide to not participate this year and not pressure the nvsl to make a hasty decision on behalf of the rest.

Take for example a swim club that has already decided to not open this summer. If a nearby club opens and there is some type of competitive swim team season the cub that isn’t opening stands to lose members to the others.

Most swim teams are limited to kids in the neighborhood or families who belong to the pool.

That sounds like an HOA pool. Our club mostly pulls from the immediate neighborhood, but we have members from a decent ways away. If a pool doesn’t open and a nearby pool does, then the families from the closed pool might go to the other. If there is some type of team season the kids could swim for that other team. We probably have at least 4 or 5 clubs within 2 miles of each other.

I have several pools within a 6 mile radius or so of my house (Arlington). But they all have crazy long waiting lists. They also have substantial corporate membership fees. If say Overlee doesn't open- but Tuckahoe does- I don't see a mass exodus from Overlee b/c it wouldn't help the kids this summer either way.

Those are very specific examples. Not all clubs are like that. We have a max membership number of 400 and last year had 208 full and 25 associate memberships. We could easily take on new members, but might consider limiting that this year if we have to limit space and time for current members.

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I have several pools within a 6 mile radius or so of my house (Arlington). But they all have crazy long waiting lists. They also have substantial corporate membership fees. If say Overlee doesn't open- but Tuckahoe does- I don't see a mass exodus from Overlee b/c it wouldn't help the kids this summer either way.

If Overlee or Chesterbrook or Tuckahoe don’t open, it is because they (and all of the other local pools) can’t open, either because they are prohibited by the Governor or the County, or the requirements around opening are too onerous to manage. As for swim teams, I suspect that the NVSL will decide that it doesn’t make sense to have a season this year given all of the restrictions that will likely be in place in regards to group size, social distancing, masks, etc. It will be impossible to have a fun summer swim season given all if those restrictions. In the end, the concessions that will need to be made won’t be worth the risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Anything from NVSL yet?

Their board meets this afternoon

Hopefully they won’t make a final decision today.

There are a few teams making a strong push for canceling altogether. The vast majority have been quiet.

Is it clear why they are pushing to cancel completely right now?

I think those pools in NVSL wanting you scrap are not in good financial situations and want to know yes or no. I wish NVSL could figure out how to modify but the insurance is the tough part.

Maybe those pools should decide to not participate this year and not pressure the nvsl to make a hasty decision on behalf of the rest.

Take for example a swim club that has already decided to not open this summer. If a nearby club opens and there is some type of competitive swim team season the cub that isn’t opening stands to lose members to the others.

Most swim teams are limited to kids in the neighborhood or families who belong to the pool.

That sounds like an HOA pool. Our club mostly pulls from the immediate neighborhood, but we have members from a decent ways away. If a pool doesn’t open and a nearby pool does, then the families from the closed pool might go to the other. If there is some type of team season the kids could swim for that other team. We probably have at least 4 or 5 clubs within 2 miles of each other.

I have several pools within a 6 mile radius or so of my house (Arlington). But they all have crazy long waiting lists. They also have substantial corporate membership fees. If say Overlee doesn't open- but Tuckahoe does- I don't see a mass exodus from Overlee b/c it wouldn't help the kids this summer either way.

I hope you don’t think Overlee and Tuckahoe are representative of the others. There are many clubs with NVSL teams that do not have a wait list and can be joined in the $450-600 range.

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^^ and many do have a very long waitlist, apart from tuckahoe and overlee.

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim league (MD) had a meeting with our team reps last night. We haven't canceled the season yet, but we are going to meet again in a few weeks once additional information is available from state/local authorities. What options are being considered for NVSL?

Everything and anything although they are pretty much set on no normal season. Virtual “postal” meets, a reduced season if they can get it in during July, pretty much a bunch of options depending on what happens. They may have a better idea after Governor Northman’s press conference on Monday. There is some thought (rumor?) he may mix all youth sports for the summer, but we will see. Other than that they could see what into comes out between now and Memorial Day.

Guessing mix is autocorrect for nix. That would seem unfair, why punish the kids?

How are these decisions interpreted as punishing kids?

Well presumably non-essential business will be open so you can get your hair and nails done. But kids are not allowed to take part in sport.

You can't see the difference? You can have someone getting nails and hair done with no one on either side of the patron/provider. You can't do a team sports without a...well...team. Non-essential businesses can operate without crowding. Most teams, esp. a swim team, cannot do that. A diving team could probably do that. A basketball could do some drills with distance between players. Swim team has a limited space for starts, limited space on either end of the pool where kids rest and wait to swim again and limited space in the lanes.

Where did I say anything about swim team? My comment was regarding Northam cancelling all youth summer sports.

See what I wrote. I mentioned teams beyond swimming. Almost all teams make social distancing nearly impossible and I say this as a parent who desperately wants summer sports to begin.

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Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.

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Disappointing for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.

Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.

Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....

There are usually tons of kids waiting at the side of the pool for practice. We have 10-15 kids at times in one lane. The meets with 300+ kids on two large teams, plus families is a recipe for disaster.

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I could possibly see club summer swim working. If you have a pool with maybe 5 kids per lane and the kids start 10 seconds apart, then if they keep swimming laps until a break, they could then get out of the pool and wait for the next instruction. The coaches can be off to the side with a megaphone of some sort. If you have enough lanes and pool time, you might be able to do this. This can’t work for summer only swimmers because they won’t be able to do continuous lap swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ and many do have a very long waitlist, apart from tuckahoe and overlee.

And many don’t, which was the focus of the conversation. People were wondering why some teams might push to cancel the season.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.

Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....

There are usually tons of kids waiting at the side of the pool for practice. We have 10-15 kids at times in one lane. The meets with 300+ kids on two large teams, plus families is a recipe for disaster.

Riiiight. So you have to do it differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.

Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....

There are usually tons of kids waiting at the side of the pool for practice. We have 10-15 kids at times in one lane. The meets with 300+ kids on two large teams, plus families is a recipe for disaster.

Riiiight. So you have to do it differently.

Explain how you think it could work. The option I see for summer swim
Fail:

1. Practice is spread out over time - instead of from 8-11:30, it’s much longer so that fewer kids come to many practices. Nope - coach won’t wait around for that and the pool can’t close all day.

2. Kids swim and don’t stop at either end. Nope - summer (only) swimmers can’t do this.

3. Kids swim a few laps and get out and rest. Won’t for work many 8 and unders and some 9-10s. Who will keep them apart while they rest? The coach will be watching those finishing swimming and not the kids out of the pool. Who has enough deck space to do this effectively? Kids will try to talk to each other.

4. Kids swim a lap then get out and slowly walk around the pool and get in again. Some kids will be faster and several will still be hitting the wall at the same time as the person ahead of them. Likely bottlenecks will happen.

Open to ideas!

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Anonymous wrote:Anything from NVSL yet?

Their board meets this afternoon

Hopefully they won’t make a final decision today.

There are a few teams making a strong push for canceling altogether. The vast majority have been quiet.

Is it clear why they are pushing to cancel completely right now?

I think those pools in NVSL wanting you scrap are not in good financial situations and want to know yes or no. I wish NVSL could figure out how to modify but the insurance is the tough part.

Maybe those pools should decide to not participate this year and not pressure the nvsl to make a hasty decision on behalf of the rest.

Take for example a swim club that has already decided to not open this summer. If a nearby club opens and there is some type of competitive swim team season the cub that isn’t opening stands to lose members to the others.

Most swim teams are limited to kids in the neighborhood or families who belong to the pool.

That sounds like an HOA pool. Our club mostly pulls from the immediate neighborhood, but we have members from a decent ways away. If a pool doesn’t open and a nearby pool does, then the families from the closed pool might go to the other. If there is some type of team season the kids could swim for that other team. We probably have at least 4 or 5 clubs within 2 miles of each other.

I have several pools within a 6 mile radius or so of my house (Arlington). But they all have crazy long waiting lists. They also have substantial corporate membership fees. If say Overlee doesn't open- but Tuckahoe does- I don't see a mass exodus from Overlee b/c it wouldn't help the kids this summer either way.

I hope you don’t think Overlee and Tuckahoe are representative of the others. There are many clubs with NVSL teams that do not have a wait list and can be joined in the $450-600 range.

We belong to a pool that usually doesn’t have a wait list. But per the pool bylaws, in order to join the teams you must become a stock holding member. You can’t just join for one summer and have your kids in the teams and then next year go back to your pool. You’d have to pay the new member fee on top of the summer dues and then pay team fees. You could be look at $1200 for a temporary fix to the swim team problem.