Security guard injured during brawl at Clarksburg High School

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe that's why this "honor-roll" student brought a gun to CHS

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/18-year-old-who-brought-gun-to-clarksburg-hs-sentenced-to-4-months/65-545325214

This kid attended a school where I worked at one point in his school career. We observed that he appeared very anxious pretty much all the time. Not like a typical level of anxiety. He was always respectful, was bright and a hard worker, but very anxious. We talked to his parents about it multiple times out of concern for him, but the parents chose to not pursue any kind of treatment for him. Schools cannot force parents to seek treatment for their children and we can’t provide school based without consent. When I saw the news report I honestly wasn’t surprised that he had brought a weapon to school to protect himself. I’m not excusing his actions, but you’d have to know this kid in order to understand what drove him to do that.

Poor kid.
CPS can’t intervene in these instances?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really, whites leave because they are racist and Asians only leave due to school performance and safety.


You are a racist. Blacks, whites, asians and hispanics all want whats best for thier kids. They will all flee from low performing and dangerous schools if they have the means to do so.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

You can’t just ‘redistrict’ all the poor kids away . If there are already bunches in the neighboring district how is that going to help rebalance things?
Why are there so many poor, apparently unsupervised kids in our county? Are they citizens? What jobs do they do that they can’t supervise their kids?
Do these schools need to be better staffed starting in Kindergarten ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

You can’t just ‘redistrict’ all the poor kids away . If there are already bunches in the neighboring district how is that going to help rebalance things?
Why are there so many poor, apparently unsupervised kids in our county? Are they citizens? What jobs do they do that they can’t supervise their kids?
Do these schools need to be better staffed starting in Kindergarten ?

I work in an ES that feeds into Neelsville. There are many unsupervised kids. A lot of elementary kids being watched after school by their middle and high school siblings, who expose them to things way beyond their maturity level. Then they try to emulate them by acting tough and "cool". These kids know things that no elementary student should know. There has been a lot of trauma in these students' lives, and I'm talking about the ones who are born here and speak only English because people assume it's the immigrants who are the issue. That's a different issue, but impacts the kids in a more academic way rather than in a behavioral way.

The 5 or so most extreme behavior issues in our building are AA males born in the US. There is usually a single parent and the kids are left to pretty much raise themselves and then they crave and seek attention any way they can get it whether it's positive or negative. Parents are mostly unresponsive--they don't show up to meetings, don't answer the phone when we call, don't return emails, and when they do they are hostile and pretty much tell us it's our problem to deal with during school hours. The parents are typically not willing to entertain referrals to outside resources because they don't typically trust "outsiders" to get involved in their lives.

Schools need more staffing period. But I really don't see extra staffing in Kindergarten to be enough to change this problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

You can’t just ‘redistrict’ all the poor kids away . If there are already bunches in the neighboring district how is that going to help rebalance things?
Why are there so many poor, apparently unsupervised kids in our county? Are they citizens? What jobs do they do that they can’t supervise their kids?
Do these schools need to be better staffed starting in Kindergarten ?

I work in an ES that feeds into Neelsville. There are many unsupervised kids. A lot of elementary kids being watched after school by their middle and high school siblings, who expose them to things way beyond their maturity level. Then they try to emulate them by acting tough and "cool". These kids know things that no elementary student should know. There has been a lot of trauma in these students' lives, and I'm talking about the ones who are born here and speak only English because people assume it's the immigrants who are the issue. That's a different issue, but impacts the kids in a more academic way rather than in a behavioral way.

The 5 or so most extreme behavior issues in our building are AA males born in the US. There is usually a single parent and the kids are left to pretty much raise themselves and then they crave and seek attention any way they can get it whether it's positive or negative. Parents are mostly unresponsive--they don't show up to meetings, don't answer the phone when we call, don't return emails, and when they do they are hostile and pretty much tell us it's our problem to deal with during school hours. The parents are typically not willing to entertain referrals to outside resources because they don't typically trust "outsiders" to get involved in their lives.

Schools need more staffing period. But I really don't see extra staffing in Kindergarten to be enough to change this problem.

Sounds tough and sad both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I work in an ES that feeds into Neelsville. There are many unsupervised kids. A lot of elementary kids being watched after school by their middle and high school siblings, who expose them to things way beyond their maturity level. Then they try to emulate them by acting tough and "cool". These kids know things that no elementary student should know. There has been a lot of trauma in these students' lives, and I'm talking about the ones who are born here and speak only English because people assume it's the immigrants who are the issue. That's a different issue, but impacts the kids in a more academic way rather than in a behavioral way.

The 5 or so most extreme behavior issues in our building are AA males born in the US. There is usually a single parent and the kids are left to pretty much raise themselves and then they crave and seek attention any way they can get it whether it's positive or negative. Parents are mostly unresponsive--they don't show up to meetings, don't answer the phone when we call, don't return emails, and when they do they are hostile and pretty much tell us it's our problem to deal with during school hours. The parents are typically not willing to entertain referrals to outside resources because they don't typically trust "outsiders" to get involved in their lives.

Schools need more staffing period. But I really don't see extra staffing in Kindergarten to be enough to change this problem.

It's customary to refer to such people, when they are in elementary school, as "boys".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

Rezoning will certainly come soon for Clarksburg HS - in fact, the boundary study should be starting any time now, because the new Seneca Valley HS will open in the fall of 2020. And comments like yours are unlikely to go over well during that process.

NP. Why? Is it politically incorrect to be concerned about the safety of children? Let's not pretend like there aren't significant problems at Neelsville. Its a high Farms MS with very little parental involvement and the environment at that school reflects that.

Generally people don't perceive arguments that boil down to "We don't want you in our school" as concern about the safety of children. But you're welcome to try it out and see for yourself what kind of reception you get.

Yes, it boils down to safety. I don't want my kid going to a school that has fights on a regular basis. It is a safety issue. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

Rezoning will certainly come soon for Clarksburg HS - in fact, the boundary study should be starting any time now, because the new Seneca Valley HS will open in the fall of 2020. And comments like yours are unlikely to go over well during that process.

NP. Why? Is it politically incorrect to be concerned about the safety of children? Let's not pretend like there aren't significant problems at Neelsville. Its a high Farms MS with very little parental involvement and the environment at that school reflects that.

Generally people don't perceive arguments that boil down to "We don't want you in our school" as concern about the safety of children. But you're welcome to try it out and see for yourself what kind of reception you get.

Yes, it boils down to safety. I don't want my kid going to a school that has fights on a regular basis. It is a safety issue. Full stop.

"I don't want my kid going to a school that has fights on a regular basis" and "I don't want my kid going to a school with kids who went to Neelsville MS" are meaningfully different statements.

(You're not zoned for Rocky Hill MS, are you? That school has fights on a regular basis.)

[Anonymous]

I worked as a para educator for ten years in two different high schools. Believe me when I say that there are fights everyday. The vast majority are black on black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really, whites leave because they are racist and Asians only leave due to school performance and safety.


You are a racist. Blacks, whites, asians and hispanics all want whats best for thier kids. They will all flee from low performing and dangerous schools if they have the means to do so.

Actually you have to understand and accept that you have inherent bias in this case. Calling me racist does not make me one. Yes, everyone wants what is best for their kids, and they should move away if they are in a dangerous situation. However, most people think that Clarksburg HS is both safe and high performing. If there is White Flight from Clarksburg then it is inherent racism because Clarksburg is producing a lot of high performing students who feel safe in the school. A few bad apples do not mean that this is a bad school. So if White Flight is happening, it is not happening because CHS is a poor performing and dangerous school. If it was a poor performing school then the high performing Asians would be the first to move, instead more and more Asian-Americans are buying in Clarksburg. As a racial group, Asians can afford to buy in any area where other racial groups are buying, but they are choosing Clarksburg and they do not seem to take flight when CHS is in the news for something bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked as a para educator for ten years in two different high schools. Believe me when I say that there are fights everyday. The vast majority are black on black.

Thank you for saying this. I can speak for at least several high performing Asian-American students that I know at CHS and they do not feel that the school is a dangerous place for them or that the quality of education they are getting in CHS is low. They are not being targeted and they do not see violence at the school. Most students have very full schedules with academics, sports, extracurricular activities and college prep that they do not have time for anything else. Yes, there are a few students who create problems, but they fight amongst themselves. They are not walking up to random students that they don't usually associate with and mugging them. Usually, the animosity between students is carried into the school by events that are happening outside the school and these students know each other beforehand. They also try and not tell the authorities what is going down, so what is usually witnessed is weeks of simmering resentments that ends in fights at school. Is it disruptive to the school to have such students? Yes. They should be removed from the school or suspended etc. Does that make the school a dangerous place for other students? I don't think so.

Dangerous situation is still a student or outsider coming in with a gun. There needs to be metal detectors in every school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

Rezoning will certainly come soon for Clarksburg HS - in fact, the boundary study should be starting any time now, because the new Seneca Valley HS will open in the fall of 2020. And comments like yours are unlikely to go over well during that process.

NP. Why? Is it politically incorrect to be concerned about the safety of children? Let's not pretend like there aren't significant problems at Neelsville. Its a high Farms MS with very little parental involvement and the environment at that school reflects that.

Generally people don't perceive arguments that boil down to "We don't want you in our school" as concern about the safety of children. But you're welcome to try it out and see for yourself what kind of reception you get.

Yes, it boils down to safety. I don't want my kid going to a school that has fights on a regular basis. It is a safety issue. Full stop.

What you are saying is, "Hey, there is a cohort of kids who are bad news in the school. In this rezoning process, why don't you move them to another school? That way, they're someone else's problem? Terrific, thanks."

I understand why *you* think that solves the problem. But, do you think the people at MCPS will agree? And why should the MCPS staff care about this aspect of it? The kids still have to go to school - why should they care if its at your school, or the one next door?

Do you seriously not understand this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked as a para educator for ten years in two different high schools. Believe me when I say that there are fights everyday. The vast majority are black on black.

But that belies DCUM logic that all fights in MCPS are between MS-13 and rival gangs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked as a para educator for ten years in two different high schools. Believe me when I say that there are fights everyday. The vast majority are black on black.

But that belies DCUM logic that all fights in MCPS are between MS-13 and rival gangs.

If there is any MS-13 related violence it is usually committed by Hispanics on Hispanics. Please, even MS-13 is not foolish enough to walk up to a random kid and beat him up. These are intimidation tactics that work only on those people who know who the intimidators are. Random kids are not being beaten.

I do agree that these students need to be removed from regular school and thoroughly investigated. Better still, their parents/guardians should be made to shadow them in school and sit with them as they go from classroom to classroom for a period of time, enough so that the parents/guardians are heavily inconvenienced and will understand what the consequences of their child's bad behavior is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked as a para educator for ten years in two different high schools. Believe me when I say that there are fights everyday. The vast majority are black on black.

But that belies DCUM logic that all fights in MCPS are between MS-13 and rival gangs.

If there is any MS-13 related violence it is usually committed by Hispanics on Hispanics. Please, even MS-13 is not foolish enough to walk up to a random kid and beat him up. These are intimidation tactics that work only on those people who know who the intimidators are. Random kids are not being beaten.

I do agree that these students need to be removed from regular school and thoroughly investigated. Better still, their parents/guardians should be made to shadow them in school and sit with them as they go from classroom to classroom for a period of time, enough so that the parents/guardians are heavily inconvenienced and will understand what the consequences of their child's bad behavior is.

I had MS-13 turf fights in front of my classroom on a weekly basis for a semester before anyone did anything.

Maybe I was the "lucky" one.