Security guard injured during brawl at Clarksburg High School

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Meanwhile over at pyle they called the cops because someone said something inappropriate to a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:I worked as a para educator for ten years in two different high schools. Believe me when I say that there are fights everyday. The vast majority are black on black.

But that belies DCUM logic that all fights in MCPS are between MS-13 and rival gangs.

If there is any MS-13 related violence it is usually committed by Hispanics on Hispanics. Please, even MS-13 is not foolish enough to walk up to a random kid and beat him up. These are intimidation tactics that work only on those people who know who the intimidators are. Random kids are not being beaten.

I do agree that these students need to be removed from regular school and thoroughly investigated. Better still, their parents/guardians should be made to shadow them in school and sit with them as they go from classroom to classroom for a period of time, enough so that the parents/guardians are heavily inconvenienced and will understand what the consequences of their child's bad behavior is.

I had MS-13 turf fights in front of my classroom on a weekly basis for a semester before anyone did anything.

Maybe I was the "lucky" one.

Or the delusional one. If there was MS-13 turf wars then you should have reported it. There is school administration, MCPS, police, WaPo, Bethesda Beat, Patch...heck there is even DCUM! Report or it did not happen. You all have smartphones, don't you? Feel free to record and post anonymously on Imgur and send to Jack Smith.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I worked as a para educator for ten years in two different high schools. Believe me when I say that there are fights everyday. The vast majority are black on black.

But that belies DCUM logic that all fights in MCPS are between MS-13 and rival gangs.

If there is any MS-13 related violence it is usually committed by Hispanics on Hispanics. Please, even MS-13 is not foolish enough to walk up to a random kid and beat him up. These are intimidation tactics that work only on those people who know who the intimidators are. Random kids are not being beaten.

I do agree that these students need to be removed from regular school and thoroughly investigated. Better still, their parents/guardians should be made to shadow them in school and sit with them as they go from classroom to classroom for a period of time, enough so that the parents/guardians are heavily inconvenienced and will understand what the consequences of their child's bad behavior is.

I had MS-13 turf fights in front of my classroom on a weekly basis for a semester before anyone did anything.

Maybe I was the "lucky" one.

Or the delusional one. If there was MS-13 turf wars then you should have reported it. There is school administration, MCPS, police, WaPo, Bethesda Beat, Patch...heck there is even DCUM! Report or it did not happen. You all have smartphones, don't you? Feel free to record and post anonymously on Imgur and send to Jack Smith.

You're an idiot.

You think security didn't get involved? Our principal did sh*t. How about that, genius?

I hate when ignorant posters like you feel the need to insert themselves. When was the last time YOU taught?

know what I did? moved . . .

MCPS will never recover. But why would I waste my time with you?

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Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

Rezoning will certainly come soon for Clarksburg HS - in fact, the boundary study should be starting any time now, because the new Seneca Valley HS will open in the fall of 2020. And comments like yours are unlikely to go over well during that process.

NP. Why? Is it politically incorrect to be concerned about the safety of children? Let's not pretend like there aren't significant problems at Neelsville. Its a high Farms MS with very little parental involvement and the environment at that school reflects that.

Generally people don't perceive arguments that boil down to "We don't want you in our school" as concern about the safety of children. But you're welcome to try it out and see for yourself what kind of reception you get.

Ok. Send them to the W schools and see what reaction you get. If you think those upc, up white families want their kids going to school with bad, low, poor brown kids you are dead wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

Rezoning will certainly come soon for Clarksburg HS - in fact, the boundary study should be starting any time now, because the new Seneca Valley HS will open in the fall of 2020. And comments like yours are unlikely to go over well during that process.

NP. Why? Is it politically incorrect to be concerned about the safety of children? Let's not pretend like there aren't significant problems at Neelsville. Its a high Farms MS with very little parental involvement and the environment at that school reflects that.

Generally people don't perceive arguments that boil down to "We don't want you in our school" as concern about the safety of children. But you're welcome to try it out and see for yourself what kind of reception you get.

Yes, it boils down to safety. I don't want my kid going to a school that has fights on a regular basis. It is a safety issue. Full stop.

What you are saying is, "Hey, there is a cohort of kids who are bad news in the school. In this rezoning process, why don't you move them to another school? That way, they're someone else's problem? Terrific, thanks."

I understand why *you* think that solves the problem. But, do you think the people at MCPS will agree? And why should the MCPS staff care about this aspect of it? The kids still have to go to school - why should they care if its at your school, or the one next door?

Do you seriously not understand this?

Who says they should all be moved to just 1 school? Split them up to 5 different schools if need be. Never a good idea to place many disruptive kids together in 1 school. Better yet, why doesn't MCPS remove the kids who are repeatedly causing trouble out of the regular schools and place them in a special school such as Twain back in the day? Not sure why it's okay that students who actually do care about school should have to deal with such ridiculousness (regardless of which school they attend).

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile over at pyle they called the cops because someone said something inappropriate to a teacher.

He threatened a teacher's life. But yea, that's a white school, let's use the euphemism "inappropriate".

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile over at pyle they called the cops because someone said something inappropriate to a teacher.

He threatened a teacher's life. But yea, that's a white school, let's use the euphemism "inappropriate".

With words or physically? The principal himself used the termin9logy “inappropriate.”

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Anonymous wrote:Really, whites leave because they are racist and Asians only leave due to school performance and safety.


You are a racist. Blacks, whites, asians and hispanics all want whats best for thier kids. They will all flee from low performing and dangerous schools if they have the means to do so.

Actually you have to understand and accept that you have inherent bias in this case. Calling me racist does not make me one. Yes, everyone wants what is best for their kids, and they should move away if they are in a dangerous situation. However, most people think that Clarksburg HS is both safe and high performing. If there is White Flight from Clarksburg then it is inherent racism because Clarksburg is producing a lot of high performing students who feel safe in the school. A few bad apples do not mean that this is a bad school. So if White Flight is happening, it is not happening because CHS is a poor performing and dangerous school. If it was a poor performing school then the high performing Asians would be the first to move, instead more and more Asian-Americans are buying in Clarksburg. As a racial group, Asians can afford to buy in any area where other racial groups are buying, but they are choosing Clarksburg and they do not seem to take flight when CHS is in the news for something bad.

True. I can honestly say that majority of families moving in my Clarksburg neighborhood is Asian, many of whom are South Asians with school-aged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

Rezoning will certainly come soon for Clarksburg HS - in fact, the boundary study should be starting any time now, because the new Seneca Valley HS will open in the fall of 2020. And comments like yours are unlikely to go over well during that process.

NP. Why? Is it politically incorrect to be concerned about the safety of children? Let's not pretend like there aren't significant problems at Neelsville. Its a high Farms MS with very little parental involvement and the environment at that school reflects that.

Generally people don't perceive arguments that boil down to "We don't want you in our school" as concern about the safety of children. But you're welcome to try it out and see for yourself what kind of reception you get.

Yes, it boils down to safety. I don't want my kid going to a school that has fights on a regular basis. It is a safety issue. Full stop.

What you are saying is, "Hey, there is a cohort of kids who are bad news in the school. In this rezoning process, why don't you move them to another school? That way, they're someone else's problem? Terrific, thanks."

I understand why *you* think that solves the problem. But, do you think the people at MCPS will agree? And why should the MCPS staff care about this aspect of it? The kids still have to go to school - why should they care if its at your school, or the one next door?

Do you seriously not understand this?

Who says they should all be moved to just 1 school? Split them up to 5 different schools if need be. Never a good idea to place many disruptive kids together in 1 school. Better yet, why doesn't MCPS remove the kids who are repeatedly causing trouble out of the regular schools and place them in a special school such as Twain back in the day? Not sure why it's okay that students who actually do care about school should have to deal with such ridiculousness (regardless of which school they attend).

Right. In Georgia they funnel all the brown kids they can into Special Ed schools where they teach them nothing and abuse them.
Great idea.
Except they closed those schools because that’s I humane and discriminatory.
MCPS needs to put more supports in place in the schools from the start. They have things like counselors, in school health care, smaller class sizes, summer and Saturday school etc in the schools in Silver Spring, Wheaton and Takoma Park. Mostly they have these things because CASA de Maryland organizes it. People from the upper county are going to have to start yelling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/georgias-separate-and-unequal-special-education-system/amp

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

Rezoning will certainly come soon for Clarksburg HS - in fact, the boundary study should be starting any time now, because the new Seneca Valley HS will open in the fall of 2020. And comments like yours are unlikely to go over well during that process.

NP. Why? Is it politically incorrect to be concerned about the safety of children? Let's not pretend like there aren't significant problems at Neelsville. Its a high Farms MS with very little parental involvement and the environment at that school reflects that.

Generally people don't perceive arguments that boil down to "We don't want you in our school" as concern about the safety of children. But you're welcome to try it out and see for yourself what kind of reception you get.

Yes, it boils down to safety. I don't want my kid going to a school that has fights on a regular basis. It is a safety issue. Full stop.

What you are saying is, "Hey, there is a cohort of kids who are bad news in the school. In this rezoning process, why don't you move them to another school? That way, they're someone else's problem? Terrific, thanks."

I understand why *you* think that solves the problem. But, do you think the people at MCPS will agree? And why should the MCPS staff care about this aspect of it? The kids still have to go to school - why should they care if its at your school, or the one next door?

Do you seriously not understand this?

Who says they should all be moved to just 1 school? Split them up to 5 different schools if need be. Never a good idea to place many disruptive kids together in 1 school. Better yet, why doesn't MCPS remove the kids who are repeatedly causing trouble out of the regular schools and place them in a special school such as Twain back in the day? Not sure why it's okay that students who actually do care about school should have to deal with such ridiculousness (regardless of which school they attend).

Right. In Georgia they funnel all the brown kids they can into Special Ed schools where they teach them nothing and abuse them.
Great idea.
Except they closed those schools because that’s I humane and discriminatory.
MCPS needs to put more supports in place in the schools from the start. They have things like counselors, in school health care, smaller class sizes, summer and Saturday school etc in the schools in Silver Spring, Wheaton and Takoma Park. Mostly they have these things because CASA de Maryland organizes it. People from the upper county are going to have to start yelling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/georgias-separate-and-unequal-special-education-system/amp

These things aren't going to fix the main issue. It hasn't in Silver Spring either. And the low performing schools in Germantown and across the county are already receiving many of those programs. Read the previous PP's comment who said that the top 5 troublemakers at her school where she teaches are kids who come from troubled families with non-responsive parents who don't want to deal with their kids. Thats the main issue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redistricting is hopefully what will come soon for CHS. We do not want Neelsville and some students from Montgomery Village that go to CHS. Serious safety and behavior concerns have been brought up about these students. Not all, but enough to be a trend. Parents have voiced their concerns in parent meetings and board meetings. CHS will reflect the community of Clarksburg once this is done.

Rezoning will certainly come soon for Clarksburg HS - in fact, the boundary study should be starting any time now, because the new Seneca Valley HS will open in the fall of 2020. And comments like yours are unlikely to go over well during that process.

NP. Why? Is it politically incorrect to be concerned about the safety of children? Let's not pretend like there aren't significant problems at Neelsville. Its a high Farms MS with very little parental involvement and the environment at that school reflects that.

Generally people don't perceive arguments that boil down to "We don't want you in our school" as concern about the safety of children. But you're welcome to try it out and see for yourself what kind of reception you get.

Yes, it boils down to safety. I don't want my kid going to a school that has fights on a regular basis. It is a safety issue. Full stop.

What you are saying is, "Hey, there is a cohort of kids who are bad news in the school. In this rezoning process, why don't you move them to another school? That way, they're someone else's problem? Terrific, thanks."

I understand why *you* think that solves the problem. But, do you think the people at MCPS will agree? And why should the MCPS staff care about this aspect of it? The kids still have to go to school - why should they care if its at your school, or the one next door?

Do you seriously not understand this?

Who says they should all be moved to just 1 school? Split them up to 5 different schools if need be. Never a good idea to place many disruptive kids together in 1 school. Better yet, why doesn't MCPS remove the kids who are repeatedly causing trouble out of the regular schools and place them in a special school such as Twain back in the day? Not sure why it's okay that students who actually do care about school should have to deal with such ridiculousness (regardless of which school they attend).

Right. In Georgia they funnel all the brown kids they can into Special Ed schools where they teach them nothing and abuse them.
Great idea.
Except they closed those schools because that’s I humane and discriminatory.
MCPS needs to put more supports in place in the schools from the start. They have things like counselors, in school health care, smaller class sizes, summer and Saturday school etc in the schools in Silver Spring, Wheaton and Takoma Park. Mostly they have these things because CASA de Maryland organizes it. People from the upper county are going to have to start yelling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/georgias-separate-and-unequal-special-education-system/amp

These things aren't going to fix the main issue. It hasn't in Silver Spring either. And the low performing schools in Germantown and across the county are already receiving many of those programs. Read the previous PP's comment who said that the top 5 troublemakers at her school where she teaches are kids who come from troubled families with non-responsive parents who don't want to deal with their kids. Thats the main issue.

You can’t just funnel all those kids off to Special schools.
I’m friends with an adult who comes from this type of family. The mother is abusive to all the kids, even wrangling the adult children into the mess via threatening to harm the younger kids that she keeps having. It’s awful. There are social workers and counselors involved and nothing gets done. Nothing changes and the abuse continues. Maybe that’s what needs to be fixed, but exiling the children is not right.

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Who says they should all be moved to just 1 school? Split them up to 5 different schools if need be. Never a good idea to place many disruptive kids together in 1 school. Better yet, why doesn't MCPS remove the kids who are repeatedly causing trouble out of the regular schools and place them in a special school such as Twain back in the day? Not sure why it's okay that students who actually do care about school should have to deal with such ridiculousness (regardless of which school they attend).

This is exactly why some of the students from Neelsville MS (whom PPs on this thread are scapegoating for the fights at Clarksburg HS) are at Clarksburg HS - because MCPS agrees with you that it's bad for all kids to stick all of the kids from low-income families in the same school. Neelsville MS has split articulation: students from South Lake ES and Stedwick ES go from Neelsville MS to Watkins Mill HS, students from Daly ES and Fox Chapel ES go from Neelsville MS to Clarksburg HS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/03115.pdf

(It's a different question whether split articulation is a good thing. It seems like, in boundary studies, the committee criteria tend to include not having split articulation.)

If you don't want students from Neelsville MS at "your" school, where do you want them to go instead, and what would you tell MCPS about why this would be a good option for MCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile over at pyle they called the cops because someone said something inappropriate to a teacher.

He threatened a teacher's life. But yea, that's a white school, let's use the euphemism "inappropriate".

That's not what happened and not why police were called. It was related to an incident between kids. No one was physically threatened or harmed.

[Anonymous]

Why not some common sense solutions?
1) Administrators, parents, teachers should have a committee that reviews admission request from students that are suspended from their home schools. Based on the input of all parties, they can then choose to give admission only on a probationary manner. If the students misbehaves x number of times, they will be removed.

2) Give administrators the right to remove 2% of students based entirely on behavior and not on academic performance. All these students should be then put in a seperate school with ample support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not some common sense solutions?
1) Administrators, parents, teachers should have a committee that reviews admission request from students that are suspended from their home schools. Based on the input of all parties, they can then choose to give admission only on a probationary manner. If the students misbehaves x number of times, they will be removed.

2) Give administrators the right to remove 2% of students based entirely on behavior and not on academic performance. All these students should be then put in a seperate school with ample support.

While this is a common sense approach that I would support, it would be perceived by many as racist.