20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident

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I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

Yes. I understand that, but every single person?

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Anonymous wrote:i happen to know a lot about limousines and how they work and how they are built.

Chances are the brakes could no support the load. the cheap way out when buying these is to not upgrade the braking system.

All of them have seat belts that are rarely used so I am willing to bet they were not buckled in.

I am also willing to bet the driver had a medical emergency which makes it even more of a safety issue because a vehicle usually allowed to carry that many passengers should require a CDL and the driver would be required to have a physical. Many limousine companies get around this by listing it as a car not a vehicle that has a higher seating capacity requiring a CDL.

Imagine the brakes on your car trying to stop a vehicle with 10x the usual limit, at that speed if it wasn't a medical emergency, it isn't going to stop.

Never get in a vehicle like that, they are not safe for many reasons, the side impact is inferior and the chance of fire is greater and there is really no way out. T

the last limousine incident where many people died, over heated brakes caused a fire and many people burned to death inside the vehicle.

This is exactly what I was thinking. No way those breaks where meant to stop a load that heavy.

The Brakes might have been though. I have no idea how you upgrade breaks

Just like you do a transmission, or other modified parts. The brakes can be upgraded to brakes similar to those on a truck, calipers, pads, rotors etc. Imagine a pair of tweezers, you can hold a certain amount of piece of paper with a normal pair but add 50 more pieces, you can't hold it, that is how brakes work. eventually they can't hold the weight.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

Yes. I understand that, but every single person?

Not to be gruesome, but in that picture the back end of the vehicle is up.

I imagine they were thrown into the ceiling with a lot of force.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

Yes. I understand that, but every single person?

Yes of course. I don't know why you'd expect one or two to be spared. You cannot brace for an impact like that.

[Anonymous]

I read one of the victims texted her mom that the limo was in "terrible condition" 20 minutes prior to the crash. This again, is after the party bus didn't show up, and the replacement limo was sent.

[Anonymous]

Gruesomely, you would expect someone to have had the impact of their fall braced by the body of another. That often happens in wrecks sadly enough.

[Anonymous]

Horrible. I can't even begin to imagine what the families of the 4 sisters are going through.

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Anonymous wrote:Gruesomely, you would expect someone to have had the impact of their fall braced by the body of another. That often happens in wrecks sadly enough.

At 60mph, I would guess even hitting your head on another person (particularly their head) has the potential to break the neck.

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If they went over a bump (curb?) that quickly they may have all slammed theirs heads forcefully on the ceiling at the same time.

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised no one survived. Interesting story here.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

Yes. I understand that, but every single person?

Not to be gruesome, but in that picture the back end of the vehicle is up.

I imagine they were thrown into the ceiling with a lot of force.

Agree...physics was unfortunately working against them.
Here’s an example from a website about force of impact
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/amp/impact-force-d_1780.html
Example - Car Crash

A car with a mass of 2000 kg drives with speed 60 km/h (16.7 m/s) before it crashes into a massive concrete wall. The front of the car impacts 0.5 m (the deformation distance).

The impact force can be calculated as

Fmax = (2000 kg) (16.7 m/s)2 / (0.5 m)

= 1116 kN

Note that the gravitation force (weight) acting on the car is only

Fw = m g

= (2000 kg) (9.81 m/s2)

= 19.6 kN

The impact creates a force 57 times gravity!!

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But with variances in height and weight, wouldn’t that change outcome?

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

so what did you do to handle it? Finish your story!

I thought it was obvious. I used the emergency brake.

Would the emergency brake have stopped this gigantic stretch limo? Doubt it.