20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident

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Can you imagine having to be a first responder at this scene? What a horrific accident.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

Yes. I understand that, but every single person?

Yes of course. I don't know why you'd expect one or two to be spared. You cannot brace for an impact like that.

Look, assuming each person weighed as little as 60 kg, they were travelling at 60 mph. Then assuming they hit a stationary object (like the front of the limo--which they didn't, but play along) that force alone is over 700 lbs of force. The impact force would actually be greater because they HIT EACH OTHER, and mostly weighed more.

Few people understand the tremendous forces at work during a car accident. I think largely because of the absurd way they are often shown in movies--45 mph rollover collisions where drivers jump out and run off. Not ever going to happen in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:But with variances in height and weight, wouldn’t that change outcome?

No. Not the gravitational force. The minimal differences to momentum would hardly matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

Yes. I understand that, but every single person?

Yes of course. I don't know why you'd expect one or two to be spared. You cannot brace for an impact like that.

Look, assuming each person weighed as little as 60 kg, they were travelling at 60 mph. Then assuming they hit a stationary object (like the front of the limo--which they didn't, but play along) that force alone is over 700 lbs of force. The impact force would actually be greater because they HIT EACH OTHER, and mostly weighed more.

Few people understand the tremendous forces at work during a car accident. I think largely because of the absurd way they are often shown in movies--45 mph rollover collisions where drivers jump out and run off. Not ever going to happen in real life.

In plane crashes though for instance, often a few survivors make itout.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

so what did you do to handle it? Finish your story!

I thought it was obvious. I used the emergency brake.

Would the emergency brake have stopped this gigantic stretch limo? Doubt it.

It probably would have caused it to flip over & break apart. Better to down shift.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

Yes. I understand that, but every single person?

Yes of course. I don't know why you'd expect one or two to be spared. You cannot brace for an impact like that.

Look, assuming each person weighed as little as 60 kg, they were travelling at 60 mph. Then assuming they hit a stationary object (like the front of the limo--which they didn't, but play along) that force alone is over 700 lbs of force. The impact force would actually be greater because they HIT EACH OTHER, and mostly weighed more.

Few people understand the tremendous forces at work during a car accident. I think largely because of the absurd way they are often shown in movies--45 mph rollover collisions where drivers jump out and run off. Not ever going to happen in real life.

They are buckled in, bracing for impact, with a minimal amount of room for movement. The simple act of having a seat in front of you reduces impact of bodies become internal debris. In a limo everyone is facing each other, with plenty of room to become airborne within the cavity of the vehicle.


In plane crashes though for instance, often a few survivors make itout.

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In an airplane, they are buckled in, bracing for impact, with a minimal amount of room for movement. The simple act of having a seat in front of you reduces impact of bodies become internal debris. In a limo everyone is facing each other, with plenty of room to become airborne within the cavity of the vehicle.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it so shocking that there was not one survivor- not even one in critical condition? They all died, but the limo looks pretty intact. So sad

Have you ever bunked heads with another person? It hurts, a lot. 60MPH, with a downward force, is going to cause a lot of head injuries and likely broken necks.

Yes. I understand that, but every single person?

Yes of course. I don't know why you'd expect one or two to be spared. You cannot brace for an impact like that.

Well, sometimes someone is lucky enough to be cushioned under someone else and survive. Remember the one child survivor of the plane crash that killed 155 people? That was lucky and the forces were much greater as that plane could easily have been going 120+ mph at the time.
These were all adults, however.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/sole-survivor-of-flight-255-plane-1263588.amp

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine having to be a first responder at this scene? What a horrific accident.

I know... this story shocks me and I can't help but want to read more about it. I think people with graphic details are not touching this thread out of courtesy for DCUM readers.

[Anonymous]

Driver did not have a CDL and the limo had failed inspection a month before the crash.
https://abc7ny.com/cuomo-limo-driver-not-properly-licensed-in-crash-that-killed-20/4433478/

[Anonymous]

It appears this is the company who owned the limo - but the specific vehicle is not even on their "fleet."

http://prestigelimony.com/our-fleet/

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Anonymous wrote:It appears this is the company who owned the limo - but the specific vehicle is not even on their "fleet."

http://prestigelimony.com/our-fleet/

I take that back, it might have been this Lincoln Navigator Stretch SUV, but re-painted. And over capacity (max 16 passengers - they were carrying 17, not including the driver).

[Anonymous]

Limo companies - like other similar vendors - often help each other out, so the driver and limo owner might be different.

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*from different companies

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Anonymous wrote:It appears this is the company who owned the limo - but the specific vehicle is not even on their "fleet."

http://prestigelimony.com/our-fleet/

I take that back, it might have been this Lincoln Navigator Stretch SUV, but re-painted. And over capacity (max 16 passengers - they were carrying 17, not including the driver).

Probably so - "One of the victims of the upstate New York limousine crash that killed all 18 aboard and two pedestrians had texted concerns about the "terrible condition" of the limo less than 20 minutes before tragedy struck, her aunt says."

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nation-world/victim-texted-limo-was-in-terrible-condition-minutes-before-crash-killed-20-in-new-york/507-601990176