20 dead in upstate NY in limo accident

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

so what did you do to handle it? Finish your story!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

You drove a heavy aftermarket stretch limo as a 16 year old?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

You just went to driving school whereas driver was some old dude with poor reactions and a brain addled by poor health and bad habits.
It’s awful that their party bus didn’t show up - limos seem to especially have terrible crashworthiness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

You drove a heavy aftermarket stretch limo as a 16 year old?

No one should be driving those things they should be banned. They are slightly welded together hunks of junk with a pretty inside.
Like a Bethesda McMansion on wheels!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

Who gave you, a 17 year old new driver, a crappy car with failing brakes to drive exactly? Did you ever speak to them again?

[Anonymous]

PSA
If brakes fail jam into park or reverse and emergency brake if approaching an intersection or parked cars.

[Anonymous]

Need to investigate the driver

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PSA
If brakes fail jam into park or reverse and emergency brake if approaching an intersection or parked cars.

How do you get into reverse or park without hitting brake? In automatic? Pretty sure my car doesn’t
Allow that while at speed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

so what did you do to handle it? Finish your story!

I thought it was obvious. I used the emergency brake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

Who gave you, a 17 year old new driver, a crappy car with failing brakes to drive exactly? Did you ever speak to them again?

My ultra-responsible dad. Are you saying he didn't love me?

It was a relatively new car (a Buick a few years old), but in those days, GM and American cars in general weren't great. It was a fluke thing with the master something-or-other, as I recall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is horrifying. These limo "boats" are ungainly at best and that was a dangerous intersection. Seat belts? Unlikely the limo had them. What a tragedy for so many people.

It wasn’t a dangerous intersection.

The speed limit is something like 30 mph and the limo blew past a stop sign and hit a parked suv.

There are many of those idiotic hills with stop signs at the bottom. I think road engineers need to drive those roads in heavy vehicles before they design and approve them. Every time we encounter one we curse. Dig and smooth out the transition. Signs don't magically create brakes.

I was coming to a red light at the.e bottom of a hill, and when I pressed my brake, NOTHING. I had a couple seconds to react. I had my license less than 3 months (I was a 16-year-old), but was able to do it. (There were already cars driving through the intersection on the green light side. It would have been a fatal accident for sure. And I knew it as I was approaching and discovered I lost the brakes.)

So, if an inexperienced 16-year-old had the presence of mind to handle that emergency, why wouldn't a professional driver? I say that either he had a medical emergency or he was drunk.

so what did you do to handle it? Finish your story!

I thought it was obvious. I used the emergency brake.

Oops...still me....reread my post, and I guess it wasn't obvious. But I did hit the emergency brake. Stopped the car on a dime.

[Anonymous]

i happen to know a lot about limousines and how they work and how they are built.

Chances are the brakes could no support the load. the cheap way out when buying these is to not upgrade the braking system.

All of them have seat belts that are rarely used so I am willing to bet they were not buckled in.

I am also willing to bet the driver had a medical emergency which makes it even more of a safety issue because a vehicle usually allowed to carry that many passengers should require a CDL and the driver would be required to have a physical. Many limousine companies get around this by listing it as a car not a vehicle that has a higher seating capacity requiring a CDL.

Imagine the brakes on your car trying to stop a vehicle with 10x the usual limit, at that speed if it wasn't a medical emergency, it isn't going to stop.

Never get in a vehicle like that, they are not safe for many reasons, the side impact is inferior and the chance of fire is greater and there is really no way out. T

the last limousine incident where many people died, over heated brakes caused a fire and many people burned to death inside the vehicle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i happen to know a lot about limousines and how they work and how they are built.

Chances are the brakes could no support the load. the cheap way out when buying these is to not upgrade the braking system.

All of them have seat belts that are rarely used so I am willing to bet they were not buckled in.

I am also willing to bet the driver had a medical emergency which makes it even more of a safety issue because a vehicle usually allowed to carry that many passengers should require a CDL and the driver would be required to have a physical. Many limousine companies get around this by listing it as a car not a vehicle that has a higher seating capacity requiring a CDL.

Imagine the brakes on your car trying to stop a vehicle with 10x the usual limit, at that speed if it wasn't a medical emergency, it isn't going to stop.

Never get in a vehicle like that, they are not safe for many reasons, the side impact is inferior and the chance of fire is greater and there is really no way out. T

the last limousine incident where many people died, over heated brakes caused a fire and many people burned to death inside the vehicle.

This is exactly what I was thinking. No way those breaks where meant to stop a load that heavy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i happen to know a lot about limousines and how they work and how they are built.

Chances are the brakes could no support the load. the cheap way out when buying these is to not upgrade the braking system.

All of them have seat belts that are rarely used so I am willing to bet they were not buckled in.

I am also willing to bet the driver had a medical emergency which makes it even more of a safety issue because a vehicle usually allowed to carry that many passengers should require a CDL and the driver would be required to have a physical. Many limousine companies get around this by listing it as a car not a vehicle that has a higher seating capacity requiring a CDL.

Imagine the brakes on your car trying to stop a vehicle with 10x the usual limit, at that speed if it wasn't a medical emergency, it isn't going to stop.

Never get in a vehicle like that, they are not safe for many reasons, the side impact is inferior and the chance of fire is greater and there is really no way out. T

the last limousine incident where many people died, over heated brakes caused a fire and many people burned to death inside the vehicle.

This is exactly what I was thinking. No way those breaks where meant to stop a load that heavy.

The Brakes might have been though. I have no idea how you upgrade breaks