An interesting article about MCPS student population

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that a lot of white families had kids in MCPS and those kids graduated. And the majority of new arrivals to the county have not been white. Therefore white numbers went down and others went up.

I see this in my own neighborhood. Most of my white neighbors are older couples - emptynesters. Every time one of them moves out - a non-white family moves in.

Just for the record this is my post above - and stating these facts does not make me a racist. In fact, we are a family of color that moved into the neighborhood too. I was just trying to answer the question that OP posed. Trying to figure out why demographics are changing does not make you racist. It makes you curious.

Not the PP but want to echo this sentiment. I posted above and we are also a mixed race family. I am very curious about the changing demographics also. Not racist but interested in seeing what the patterns are. And I am absolutely not thrilled about the urbanization of MoCo. Not because I'm worried about other people of color, but because I'm concerned about school overcrowding and crime/safety. I don't love seeing every square inch of MoCo being covered by high density housing without much thought given to the school and traffic issues that will result.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that a lot of white families had kids in MCPS and those kids graduated. And the majority of new arrivals to the county have not been white. Therefore white numbers went down and others went up.

I see this in my own neighborhood. Most of my white neighbors are older couples - emptynesters. Every time one of them moves out - a non-white family moves in.

Just for the record this is my post above - and stating these facts does not make me a racist. In fact, we are a family of color that moved into the neighborhood too. I was just trying to answer the question that OP posed. Trying to figure out why demographics are changing does not make you racist. It makes you curious.

Not the PP but want to echo this sentiment. I posted above and we are also a mixed race family. I am very curious about the changing demographics also. Not racist but interested in seeing what the patterns are. And I am absolutely not thrilled about the urbanization of MoCo. Not because I'm worried about other people of color, but because I'm concerned about school overcrowding and crime/safety. I don't love seeing every square inch of MoCo being covered by high density housing without much thought given to the school and traffic issues that will result.

I am PP and this absolutely. My daughter is in a portable this year in a class with 28 kids. Its much too small of a space for them. Its just one year and I realize that. But this is not ideal and MCPS stands to have a lot more problems in the future with the pace of growth I see around me (while the schools very very slowly adapt).

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness, you guys DO realize how racist you sound, right? "Hispanics are coming, there goes the neighborhood!" I hate to break it to you, but in the youngest generation, white people are a minority of the population. This means that most urban areas will become mostly non-white. But don't worry! White people don't have the market cornered on moral values or ambition. Also, FARMs kids are not all losers and dregs. In fact, I am a former white FARMs kid and I grew up and now have a HHI that is more than 20x what I grew up with. Things will change, and your white skin won't save you from hard work and adaptation.

Of course they realize it. They know, don't care, and are proud of it.

It isn't racism. It is about how lower SES students tend to be the ones that have behavioral issues or low motivation to succeed. I would rather have my child be the only white kid in a classroom of motivated and respectful kids vs a classroom of white children who don't do their homework, act up in class and whose families don't value education.
We live in east county and in my daughter's class, which is truly diverse, most kids do not do their homework, do not contribute to classroom group projects and whine and ignore the teacher. They disrupt the class and have the maturity of 1st grader. (this is middle school). There are a few motivated kids in the class and they absolutely hate that the teachers spend all the time with the poor performers. Not to mention, my daughter's scores are very high because they are teaching things she learned in elementary school. Also, due to the low interest and SES, there is a lack of community and involvement at the school. I don't fault parents who are being stretched thin, but when we are talking about 95% of the population in the same boat, it makes for a pretty sad school experience. Anyone in higher performing schools will never understand this until they experience it for themselves.
A friend's child goes to another middle school that is somewhat diverse but higher SES. The school has a lot of fun events planned and this helps build a positive school community. Our school doesn't have much going on because no one makes the time or prioritizes school events. It's sad difference between the haves and have-nots. And I blame the county for building all the low income housing in east county.
And this is why many of us move to nearby Howard County or go private. We noticed a few families who are zoned for this school are missing and I don't blame them. We were considering private for next year and beyond, but decided to move to Howard county because we prefer public schools.

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SES is strongly correlated to race and that's why some people make the jump to racisim

it's not true. All any family wants is the best education for their child and the higher SES you go the better the educational experience. Thats just a fact

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness, you guys DO realize how racist you sound, right? "Hispanics are coming, there goes the neighborhood!" I hate to break it to you, but in the youngest generation, white people are a minority of the population. This means that most urban areas will become mostly non-white. But don't worry! White people don't have the market cornered on moral values or ambition. Also, FARMs kids are not all losers and dregs. In fact, I am a former white FARMs kid and I grew up and now have a HHI that is more than 20x what I grew up with. Things will change, and your white skin won't save you from hard work and adaptation.

Of course they realize it. They know, don't care, and are proud of it.

It isn't racism. It is about how lower SES students tend to be the ones that have behavioral issues or low motivation to succeed. I would rather have my child be the only white kid in a classroom of motivated and respectful kids vs a classroom of white children who don't do their homework, act up in class and whose families don't value education.
We live in east county and in my daughter's class, which is truly diverse, most kids do not do their homework, do not contribute to classroom group projects and whine and ignore the teacher. They disrupt the class and have the maturity of 1st grader. (this is middle school). There are a few motivated kids in the class and they absolutely hate that the teachers spend all the time with the poor performers. Not to mention, my daughter's scores are very high because they are teaching things she learned in elementary school. Also, due to the low interest and SES, there is a lack of community and involvement at the school. I don't fault parents who are being stretched thin, but when we are talking about 95% of the population in the same boat, it makes for a pretty sad school experience. Anyone in higher performing schools will never understand this until they experience it for themselves.
A friend's child goes to another middle school that is somewhat diverse but higher SES. The school has a lot of fun events planned and this helps build a positive school community. Our school doesn't have much going on because no one makes the time or prioritizes school events. It's sad difference between the haves and have-nots. And I blame the county for building all the low income housing in east county.
And this is why many of us move to nearby Howard County or go private. We noticed a few families who are zoned for this school are missing and I don't blame them. We were considering private for next year and beyond, but decided to move to Howard county because we prefer public schools.

DC is at a high-income W school and there are plenty of kids with behavioral issues and low motivation to succeed. They whine, are disrespectful and don't do their work. And, by the way, these are all white kids. Things are worse in many ways here because the class sizes are massive. DC has 29 in his class this year! Don't think for a minute that things are all rosy out here and that everything has to do with the newcomers. I know you keep saying it's not about race but it sure sounds like you're making it about race.

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Anonymous wrote:SES is strongly correlated to race and that's why some people make the jump to racisim

it's not true. All any family wants is the best education for their child and the higher SES you go the better the educational experience. Thats just a fact

Isn't being exposed to a realistic cross section of the society you live in part of the educational experience? How long will you shield your child from lower SES people for? You may not call it racism, but that's what it amounts to.

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Anonymous wrote:SES is strongly correlated to race and that's why some people make the jump to racisim

it's not true. All any family wants is the best education for their child and the higher SES you go the better the educational experience. Thats just a fact

Isn't being exposed to a realistic cross section of the society you live in part of the educational experience? How long will you shield your child from lower SES people for? You may not call it racism, but that's what it amounts to.

Look at the "reading groups" thread and tell me that the kid (from a W feeder) whose reading group met once last year is getting a better education than my kid in a diverse east-county public school whose group meets twice a week and is, as a group, working two grades above level.

You might want to think that a higher SES is some sort of panacea, but it's not. There are good schools and less-good schools no matter where you go.

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anecdotal stories do not refute evidence

there is a direct correlation between student test scores and SES

again diversity is fine and great even

but take a look at your work today you are surrounded by people with generally the same SES potential/path as you thats the point

You don't surround yourself with low income folks so why treat your kids like a lab experiment, white guilt or whatever liberal disease you have

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Anonymous wrote:anecdotal stories do not refute evidence

there is a direct correlation between student test scores and SES

again diversity is fine and great even

but take a look at your work today you are surrounded by people with generally the same SES potential/path as you thats the point

You don't surround yourself with low income folks so why treat your kids like a lab experiment, white guilt or whatever liberal disease you have

I went to school with kids of all sorts of SESs. Survived just fine (except for apparently catching a "liberal disease"). So no, it wouldn't be an experiment having my kid in a diverse environment (which according to you is great, as long as you're not in it).

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness, you guys DO realize how racist you sound, right? "Hispanics are coming, there goes the neighborhood!" I hate to break it to you, but in the youngest generation, white people are a minority of the population. This means that most urban areas will become mostly non-white. But don't worry! White people don't have the market cornered on moral values or ambition. Also, FARMs kids are not all losers and dregs. In fact, I am a former white FARMs kid and I grew up and now have a HHI that is more than 20x what I grew up with. Things will change, and your white skin won't save you from hard work and adaptation.

Thank you! I'm stunned by the line of reasoning here where nonwhite=stupid=behavior problems. I have seen worse behavior problems among the very wealthy and entitled children than the Hispanic immigrants at our school, who appear to have parents who both love them and set boundaries for them. I don't see that as much among the wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine in 10-20 years there is going to be an increase in white flight to Howard County. The different areas of the county will increasingly become segregated by race. The tax base will shrink, leading to a further decline in schools and quality of life and services. I think moco is a shinking ship

Did you see the graph? There already is white flight

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why so many people who immigrate to the US come to Montgomery County. Not to knock MoCo, but I can think of so many other places in this country that are more affordable, have less crime, and would be easier to transition to. Maybe there are more resources for the Hispanic community; I don't know... But MoCo is pricey and not an easy place to move to.

Yes, for sure. There's CASA de Maryland, as well as provisions for Hispanic immigrants - you can obtain a driver's license with a foreign passport. Also, decent health insurance coverage. MD is a pretty welcoming state for immigrants.

That is what really bothers me the most. If our country can't uphold it's laws, at the very least Montgomery County could not welcome with open arms. Don't forget about discounted in-state tuition for illegal aliens. Supposedly it is illegal to work here as an undocumented citizen but yet, we spend our taxes sending them to college for cheap. I just don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

I agree. I live in ch ch md and am pretty happy with the public schools. The idea that we or any of our neighbors would "flee" to Howard County is ludicrous. Close to zero crime, great public transport links to DC, good stores and amenities....love it here.

Well unless people have a million dollars to buy a bungalow there, it isn't worth it. Try and open your eyes to the rest of the county.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

+1

There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

they need some way to curtail the development. I see new housing being built all over the place. Just look at crown farm. We don't have the infrastructure to deal with this. The schools certainly can't handle more kids.

The solutions is pretty obvious: we need a ton of charter schools. Maybe we can for once learn something from DC

Absolutely! But that won't solve traffic problems.

Or the illegal alien problem

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Howard county and the best schools in the county have an ever increasing Asian population. Lots of Indians and Chinese families. Many of these schools used to be majority white but now even their demographics are changing!

Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide