An interesting article about MCPS student population

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A builder now has to allocate 10-25% of new housing to lower income. Bare bones on the inside and dirt cheap.

And last time I checked most immigrant families live with large extended families in small apartments.

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+1 The reason MoCo is so desirable isn't just the schools. It's the proximity to DC and the ease of access to the Metro. That's not going to change. People may opt for private schools but they're not going to leave areas that are walkable with access to the city.

Prince Georges County also has the proximity to DC and multiple Metro stops. Within 7 years, I see MoCo and Prince Georges having roughly equal housing prices and comparably ranked schools.

We took this probability into account when buying our house and purchased in an area of MoCo with worse schools so the "extra" value was already taken out of the house. Figured that the borderline school districts we could afford would be going downhill in due time and we would lose money anyhow, so why not?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
+1 The reason MoCo is so desirable isn't just the schools. It's the proximity to DC and the ease of access to the Metro. That's not going to change. People may opt for private schools but they're not going to leave areas that are walkable with access to the city.

Prince Georges County also has the proximity to DC and multiple Metro stops. Within 7 years, I see MoCo and Prince Georges having roughly equal housing prices and comparably ranked schools.

We took this probability into account when buying our house and purchased in an area of MoCo with worse schools so the "extra" value was already taken out of the house. Figured that the borderline school districts we could afford would be going downhill in due time and we would lose money anyhow, so why not?

Smart move.

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand people threatening "if the schools get any more full of immigrants we're going to leave and then they'll be sorry!" Public schools are there to educate the kids who are there. They really don't care if you pull your kid. And I don't buy the argument that property values will fall and school funding will tank. There are a lot of poorly rated schools in DC where the surrounding homes are incredibly expensive. People are always going to want to live in close-in areas with good commutes. You guys can worry about test scores and property values all you want, but rest assured that MCPS officials are not sitting around worrying that wealthy white people will leave. Many administrators are actually not wealthy white people themselves.

Um, school funding has already tanked and what little they get, goes towards ESOL and FARMS and not to building more schools. Hence a decade of overcrowded schools.

My oldest is 15. Youngest is 6. ESOL has quadrupled in our school and FARMS has tripled. Less than 10 years. This is a Rockville ES. Every year the office is flooded with kids that just show up and never registered for school the first few days. They increase the ratios and the school can't get an allocation for a teacher as easy once school starts. Never mind the fact that they can't speak English.

If MCPS was funded do well, why is there so much overcrowding and continued delays on building projects. Wouldn't all these new people mean an abundance of taxes towards the school? Nope

Please write your councilmember. They need to hear this.

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand people threatening "if the schools get any more full of immigrants we're going to leave and then they'll be sorry!" Public schools are there to educate the kids who are there. They really don't care if you pull your kid. And I don't buy the argument that property values will fall and school funding will tank. There are a lot of poorly rated schools in DC where the surrounding homes are incredibly expensive. People are always going to want to live in close-in areas with good commutes. You guys can worry about test scores and property values all you want, but rest assured that MCPS officials are not sitting around worrying that wealthy white people will leave. Many administrators are actually not wealthy white people themselves.

Um, school funding has already tanked and what little they get, goes towards ESOL and FARMS and not to building more schools. Hence a decade of overcrowded schools.

My oldest is 15. Youngest is 6. ESOL has quadrupled in our school and FARMS has tripled. Less than 10 years. This is a Rockville ES. Every year the office is flooded with kids that just show up and never registered for school the first few days. They increase the ratios and the school can't get an allocation for a teacher as easy once school starts. Never mind the fact that they can't speak English.

If MCPS was funded do well, why is there so much overcrowding and continued delays on building projects. Wouldn't all these new people mean an abundance of taxes towards the school? Nope

Yep. Our school is seeing the exact same thing. BCC cluster. This problem with illegals infliltrating the schools and soaking up resources from other kids (including other NEEDY kids who could have so much MORE) is everywhere in Montco and only the W's and their feeder elementary schools are immune. They are immune because there is no low income housing in their boundaries. We bought where we did instead of Bethesda for some diversity and to avoid an all upper income white school but we were not expecting this. The majority is become the minority and the minority can't speak English. It is totally out of control and shows no signs of slowing down.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
+1 The reason MoCo is so desirable isn't just the schools. It's the proximity to DC and the ease of access to the Metro. That's not going to change. People may opt for private schools but they're not going to leave areas that are walkable with access to the city.

Prince Georges County also has the proximity to DC and multiple Metro stops. Within 7 years, I see MoCo and Prince Georges having roughly equal housing prices and comparably ranked schools.

We took this probability into account when buying our house and purchased in an area of MoCo with worse schools so the "extra" value was already taken out of the house. Figured that the borderline school districts we could afford would be going downhill in due time and we would lose money anyhow, so why not?

Smart move.

Not necessarily. Across Rockville (the town seemingly separating the higher SES from the lower SES), school ratings went up this year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
+1 The reason MoCo is so desirable isn't just the schools. It's the proximity to DC and the ease of access to the Metro. That's not going to change. People may opt for private schools but they're not going to leave areas that are walkable with access to the city.

Prince Georges County also has the proximity to DC and multiple Metro stops. Within 7 years, I see MoCo and Prince Georges having roughly equal housing prices and comparably ranked schools.

We took this probability into account when buying our house and purchased in an area of MoCo with worse schools so the "extra" value was already taken out of the house. Figured that the borderline school districts we could afford would be going downhill in due time and we would lose money anyhow, so why not?

Smart move.

Not necessarily. Across Rockville (the town seemingly separating the higher SES from the lower SES), school ratings went up this year.

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As much as I hear what others are saying on this thread, buying in a neighborhood with a bad school on purpose because you think other schools will go downhill anyway is extraordinarily bad judgment. Hopefully PP isn't moving anytime soon.

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Many Silver Spring schools have gone up in re sent years too. Look at Einstein and Blair.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Silver Spring schools have gone up in re sent years too. Look at Einstein and Blair.

What do you mean by "gone up".

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand people threatening "if the schools get any more full of immigrants we're going to leave and then they'll be sorry!" Public schools are there to educate the kids who are there. They really don't care if you pull your kid. And I don't buy the argument that property values will fall and school funding will tank. There are a lot of poorly rated schools in DC where the surrounding homes are incredibly expensive. People are always going to want to live in close-in areas with good commutes. You guys can worry about test scores and property values all you want, but rest assured that MCPS officials are not sitting around worrying that wealthy white people will leave. Many administrators are actually not wealthy white people themselves.

Um, school funding has already tanked and what little they get, goes towards ESOL and FARMS and not to building more schools. Hence a decade of overcrowded schools.

My oldest is 15. Youngest is 6. ESOL has quadrupled in our school and FARMS has tripled. Less than 10 years. This is a Rockville ES. Every year the office is flooded with kids that just show up and never registered for school the first few days. They increase the ratios and the school can't get an allocation for a teacher as easy once school starts. Never mind the fact that they can't speak English.

If MCPS was funded do well, why is there so much overcrowding and continued delays on building projects. Wouldn't all these new people mean an abundance of taxes towards the school? Nope

I am on the east side of the county, at a school that is probably much worse ranked than yours, and we've absolutely had classes added after the start of the year. We also get good resources because the administration makes sure every last family fills out the FARMS paperwork, even if they are SURE they aren't eligible. It sounds like part of the problem at some of these schools is that the administration hasn't figured out how to maximize resources and meet the needs of a changing county.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand people threatening "if the schools get any more full of immigrants we're going to leave and then they'll be sorry!" Public schools are there to educate the kids who are there. They really don't care if you pull your kid. And I don't buy the argument that property values will fall and school funding will tank. There are a lot of poorly rated schools in DC where the surrounding homes are incredibly expensive. People are always going to want to live in close-in areas with good commutes. You guys can worry about test scores and property values all you want, but rest assured that MCPS officials are not sitting around worrying that wealthy white people will leave. Many administrators are actually not wealthy white people themselves.

Um, school funding has already tanked and what little they get, goes towards ESOL and FARMS and not to building more schools. Hence a decade of overcrowded schools.

My oldest is 15. Youngest is 6. ESOL has quadrupled in our school and FARMS has tripled. Less than 10 years. This is a Rockville ES. Every year the office is flooded with kids that just show up and never registered for school the first few days. They increase the ratios and the school can't get an allocation for a teacher as easy once school starts. Never mind the fact that they can't speak English.

If MCPS was funded do well, why is there so much overcrowding and continued delays on building projects. Wouldn't all these new people mean an abundance of taxes towards the school? Nope

NP here. We are also in a Rockville ES and this happened just this year. 15 additional students signed up for K the week before school started. Last year, in my sister's kids' school, they did start a new K class, but it ended up being mid-year, so the kids had to split up in December.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many Silver Spring schools have gone up in re sent years too. Look at Einstein and Blair.

What do you mean by "gone up".

In scores graduation rates popularity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand people threatening "if the schools get any more full of immigrants we're going to leave and then they'll be sorry!" Public schools are there to educate the kids who are there. They really don't care if you pull your kid. And I don't buy the argument that property values will fall and school funding will tank. There are a lot of poorly rated schools in DC where the surrounding homes are incredibly expensive. People are always going to want to live in close-in areas with good commutes. You guys can worry about test scores and property values all you want, but rest assured that MCPS officials are not sitting around worrying that wealthy white people will leave. Many administrators are actually not wealthy white people themselves.

Um, school funding has already tanked and what little they get, goes towards ESOL and FARMS and not to building more schools. Hence a decade of overcrowded schools.

My oldest is 15. Youngest is 6. ESOL has quadrupled in our school and FARMS has tripled. Less than 10 years. This is a Rockville ES. Every year the office is flooded with kids that just show up and never registered for school the first few days. They increase the ratios and the school can't get an allocation for a teacher as easy once school starts. Never mind the fact that they can't speak English.

If MCPS was funded do well, why is there so much overcrowding and continued delays on building projects. Wouldn't all these new people mean an abundance of taxes towards the school? Nope

NP here. We are also in a Rockville ES and this happened just this year. 15 additional students signed up for K the week before school started. Last year, in my sister's kids' school, they did start a new K class, but it ended up being mid-year, so the kids had to split up in December.

What school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand people threatening "if the schools get any more full of immigrants we're going to leave and then they'll be sorry!" Public schools are there to educate the kids who are there. They really don't care if you pull your kid. And I don't buy the argument that property values will fall and school funding will tank. There are a lot of poorly rated schools in DC where the surrounding homes are incredibly expensive. People are always going to want to live in close-in areas with good commutes. You guys can worry about test scores and property values all you want, but rest assured that MCPS officials are not sitting around worrying that wealthy white people will leave. Many administrators are actually not wealthy white people themselves.

Um, school funding has already tanked and what little they get, goes towards ESOL and FARMS and not to building more schools. Hence a decade of overcrowded schools.

My oldest is 15. Youngest is 6. ESOL has quadrupled in our school and FARMS has tripled. Less than 10 years. This is a Rockville ES. Every year the office is flooded with kids that just show up and never registered for school the first few days. They increase the ratios and the school can't get an allocation for a teacher as easy once school starts. Never mind the fact that they can't speak English.

If MCPS was funded do well, why is there so much overcrowding and continued delays on building projects. Wouldn't all these new people mean an abundance of taxes towards the school? Nope

NP here. We are also in a Rockville ES and this happened just this year. 15 additional students signed up for K the week before school started. Last year, in my sister's kids' school, they did start a new K class, but it ended up being mid-year, so the kids had to split up in December.

What school?

And were they all ESOL students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
+1 The reason MoCo is so desirable isn't just the schools. It's the proximity to DC and the ease of access to the Metro. That's not going to change. People may opt for private schools but they're not going to leave areas that are walkable with access to the city.

Prince Georges County also has the proximity to DC and multiple Metro stops. Within 7 years, I see MoCo and Prince Georges having roughly equal housing prices and comparably ranked schools.

Interesting discussion over in real estate forum about SS becoming unaffordable with a link with data to back it up. Hope you aren't investing in real estate - - you aren't very knowledgeable.