SAHM with kids in school

Anonymous
I'm the poster who was psychoanalyzing myself.

Would women be better off if, instead of insulting each other on here about our life choices -- we tried to help each other out?

My mom worked and it was hard for her to make it to carpool. A SAHM picked up her slack and when my mom tried to thank her, she said that her favors always got returned. Maybe not by the same person, but they did. And every time this SAHM went on vacation, it was my mom taking care of the dog, their mail, making sure the house was safe . . .
Anonymous
You do, PP? I call it a brutally honest description of the lifestyles of the lazy.

Working PP lives in reality. That's a fine example of a marriage - a true partnership.

And to the PPs who said I had a rather bitter view toward marriage - really? I ENJOY helping my husband with the finances b/c I can. I have a career.

And, heaven forbid something happens to him, guess who can take over? That person would be THIS poster. not bitter - quite happy to know that I'm in a 50-50 relationship, not a one-sided marriage where the man is calling the shots while June runs her vacuum over the rug as she waits for Beaver to return home so that she can make him a delicious and healthy snack purchased by the money Ward left on the table for his wife


You sure don't sound happy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The WOHM PP from a number of posts ago, who gave a thoughtful answer and said that deep down, much of the venom directed at SAHMs by WOHMs is driven by jealousy, had it right. (Now, of course, defensive WOHMs will leap in to assure us all that they don't have a jealous bone in their bodies, they feel sorry for SAHMs, etc., etc...)




I said that, but I think you simplify a bit of what I said. I am jealous of SAHMs because they have the choice. It's nice to have choices. And I don't.

If I did, I am not sure what I would do. I might try not working for awhile (it's been almost 20 years without a break) and then go to work doing something I think I would like that may pay less $$. Because again I'd have that choice.

I did admit that sometimes some of the invective from SAHMs to WMs did get to me. The stuff about losing precious time with my child that I'll never get back; how can I justify leaving my kids with a stranger -- stuff like that made me hit back hard. Because I disagree that I don't have a close relationship with my kids, and our beloved nanny is not a "stranger".

But there was jealousy too. I would love a sabbatical. I would love to pursue risky career option that would be more interesting and maybe pay less than the one I have now.

But you know, WM's are mean to SAHMs too, and I can't speak for their motives, though some women may feel as I do (and some don't). Still WMs don't have to tell SAHMs that they're basically a burden on society for not working or that their pursuits are not worthwhile and they depend to much on a man and that is not a partnership (if it's not your marriage, you don't know).

Working or staying home? Public or private school? Nanny or no? These are all important lifestyle choices that involve some degree of compromise. We all want to think we're doing THE BEST for our kid, so we criticize each other's choices. It's ridiculous. We can all make different choice and still be doing THE BEST EACH OF US CAN.

These arguments get women absolutely nowhere together. I'm better off reading how to have a bubble butt or where to pick up a good foundation. People are nice there.


You are spot on about choice. I was a SAHM and returned to work b/c of choice. I also am able to choose a career and take risks because my income is icing on the cake. When your husband is bringing in a few hundred thousand a year, the doors are wide open. Even at work I have a level of confidence that I can go out on a limb and be bold and say and do things that are risky, not worried about the next promotion or my political standing in the organization. Because of this I have emerged as a leader. I am very grateful to be able to work with no pressure.

I do have many working friends just like you who might not want to quit forever, but just take a sabattical as you say. Heck, you don't need to be a parent to want to take a year or more off from the grind. This is a basic desire for most any human.

To each his own, there are no right answers.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
You do, PP? I call it a brutally honest description of the lifestyles of the lazy.

Working PP lives in reality. That's a fine example of a marriage - a true partnership.

And to the PPs who said I had a rather bitter view toward marriage - really? I ENJOY helping my husband with the finances b/c I can. I have a career.

And, heaven forbid something happens to him, guess who can take over? That person would be THIS poster. not bitter - quite happy to know that I'm in a 50-50 relationship, not a one-sided marriage where the man is calling the shots while June runs her vacuum over the rug as she waits for Beaver to return home so that she can make him a delicious and healthy snack purchased by the money Ward left on the table for his wife


You sure don't sound happy.


She sounds happy to me, she certainly draws up a funny picture. The pearls, the Cleavers, the vaccuum!!!! I can't help, but return to read more.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Professor mom checking in on this thread and sad to see how it's (predictably) devolved into the same old tired SAHM/WM debate.

Working moms of any stripe, please don't post on this thread. The OP wasn't addressing you. I shouldn't have posted but did since I'm trying to decide between continuing in my current job, taking an Administration job, and staying home. But the OP was seeking advice from SAHMs with children in school. I see nothing in her initial post asking for comments on her choices. If we're all so busy and fulfilled at our jobs, surely we can refrain from weighing in on a topic that has nothing to do with us!


Well said, Professor Mom!

And in the interest of fairness, us SAHMs should probably go get the money Ward left us and get that healthy meal on the table and clean up the kids we've been neglecting by reading and posting so much.... Fixing cocktail right now to have it waiting when dear sweetie walks in the door...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

And, heaven forbid something happens to him, guess who can take over? That person would be THIS poster. not bitter - quite happy to know that I'm in a 50-50 relationship, not a one-sided marriage where the man is calling the shots while June runs her vacuum over the rug as she waits for Beaver to return home so that she can make him a delicious and healthy snack purchased by the money Ward left on the table for his wife



You do seem to have a teeny tiny chip on your shoulder, about something, there, PP.


no bitterness, PP - just amazed at such an outdated belief system shared by these women

some research to prove my point:

Working moms shape kids' family roles
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-08-08-moms-role_x.htm

By Marilyn Elias, USA TODAY

HONOLULU — Having an employed mom leads college-age men to expect that they'll be doing more child care than the sons of homemakers, who assume that their wives will take the lead in tending to the nest. It's just the opposite for daughters: If their mothers work, they plan to spend less time with their kids than do women whose moms stay home, according to an online survey released at the end of July.

Overall, young men and women with employed mothers are much more likely than homemakers' children to believe that couples should share housework and child care, says psychologist Heidi Riggio of Claremont McKenna College in Claremont, Calif. She reported on her Internet survey of 351 students age 18 to 23 at the American Psychological Association meeting here.

"This just shows the strong influence of the family we grew up in, whether young adults realize it or not," Riggio says. As youthful romances develop, "people's expectations need to be made clear, because these expectations often predict behavior."

Some differences were stunning, she says. For example, men with working mothers expected to put 12 hours more a week into child care than the sons of homemakers. And women with stay-at-home moms thought they'd do 10 hours more a week of child care than the daughters of employed mothers.

Young women whose mothers don't hold jobs also expect to be spending the most time with their spouses; men with homemaker moms visualized the least time with wives. "They may see her as spending time with the children instead," Riggio says.

Despite these differences linked to upbringing, Americans in their late teens have become more liberal in their views on sex roles over the past three decades, says Yong Dai, a Louisiana State University psychologist who also presented research at the conference.

He analyzed three large "Monitoring the Future" surveys of high school seniors -1981, 1991 and 2001. The annual surveys are produced by the University of Michigan Institute for Social Research.

In 1981, about half thought women should have the same job opportunities as men; seven out of 10 thought so in 2001. Also, a declining number believe preschoolers might suffer if mothers work, and more say working moms are just as warm as homemaker moms. "Fewer teenagers are growing up in traditional families," Dai says, "so fewer see it as a matter of course in their own future." "This just shows the strong influence of the family we grew up in, whether young adults realize it or not. These expectations often predict behavior."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Professor mom checking in on this thread and sad to see how it's (predictably) devolved into the same old tired SAHM/WM debate.

Working moms of any stripe, please don't post on this thread. The OP wasn't addressing you. I shouldn't have posted but did since I'm trying to decide between continuing in my current job, taking an Administration job, and staying home. But the OP was seeking advice from SAHMs with children in school. I see nothing in her initial post asking for comments on her choices. If we're all so busy and fulfilled at our jobs, surely we can refrain from weighing in on a topic that has nothing to do with us!


Well said, Professor Mom!

And in the interest of fairness, us SAHMs should probably go get the money Ward left us and get that healthy meal on the table and clean up the kids we've been neglecting by reading and posting so much.... Fixing cocktail right now to have it waiting when dear sweetie walks in the door...


That's right. Keep your man happy - a maid in the living room, a cook in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom.
Anonymous


That's right. Keep your man happy - a maid in the living room, a cook in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom.

I dont know about you all - but my husband would be super happy if I were to be a maid, cook and whore in the bedroom!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Professor mom checking in on this thread and sad to see how it's (predictably) devolved into the same old tired SAHM/WM debate.

Working moms of any stripe, please don't post on this thread. The OP wasn't addressing you. I shouldn't have posted but did since I'm trying to decide between continuing in my current job, taking an Administration job, and staying home. But the OP was seeking advice from SAHMs with children in school. I see nothing in her initial post asking for comments on her choices. If we're all so busy and fulfilled at our jobs, surely we can refrain from weighing in on a topic that has nothing to do with us!


Well said, Professor Mom!

And in the interest of fairness, us SAHMs should probably go get the money Ward left us and get that healthy meal on the table and clean up the kids we've been neglecting by reading and posting so much.... Fixing cocktail right now to have it waiting when dear sweetie walks in the door...


That's right. Keep your man happy - a maid in the living room, a cook in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom.


Wow. You need to calm down. I have a picture in my head of what you look like - it's not pretty!

Anonymous
SAHMs please weigh in. It seems to me (well at least based on the posts on this thread) that many women who have posted so defensively about their decision to stay home are staying home because they hated their jobs and never found fulfillment at work. So, it seems that instead of proactively choosing to be a SAHM (as in, this is awesome, the most fulfilling thing, something that I always wanted to do), it's a default option because working sucks -- like, thank God, I have an escape route and can quit.
Or alternatively, working was great but job required too many hours, too much time away from kids and husband works his nuts off...so again, SAHM became a default. Are there any SAHMs who can tell us about choosing to stay home because they love it and this is their passion?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:SAHMs please weigh in. It seems to me (well at least based on the posts on this thread) that many women who have posted so defensively about their decision to stay home are staying home because they hated their jobs and never found fulfillment at work. So, it seems that instead of proactively choosing to be a SAHM (as in, this is awesome, the most fulfilling thing, something that I always wanted to do), it's a default option because working sucks -- like, thank God, I have an escape route and can quit.
Or alternatively, working was great but job required too many hours, too much time away from kids and husband works his nuts off...so again, SAHM became a default. Are there any SAHMs who can tell us about choosing to stay home because they love it and this is their passion?



I could but DH is calling me -- something about the bedroom?

Have a nice night ladies. Someone (not you PP) need to lighten up I think.
Anonymous
I am a SAHM with a baby. I have no idea whether I will go back to work when she starts school, but if we can afford it, I'll probably continue to stay home.

My husband loves his job, thankfully, and he loves me, and he loves that I am the one who is caring for our daughter during the day.

If something happens -- he leaves me, he dies, he loses his job -- guess what? I'll go back to work then.

I feel incredibly lucky. I love being at home a lot more than I ever loved my career. I should go back to work just so I can say I have a job, even if it's a job I don't love, even if it's money we don't need, so that we then have to pay a nanny or a daycare and probably a housekeeper, just so I can be out of the house? I don't think so. There is no honor in collecting a paycheck you don't want or need or doing work you don't love just for the sake of it. I would be dispensable to any boss; the one person in the entire world to whom I am irreplaceable is my daughter. I'm thrilled to be able to stay at home with her now and hopefully in the future.

To those of you who found careers that you love enough that you would rather do them than stay at home, congratulations. Seriously, more power to you. I never had that. The things I love to do most are not things that I've figured out a way to get paid for. But the venom toward moms who choose to stay at home does seem tinged with some sort of bitterness, either because you didn't have that growing or can't have it now. Otherwise, why care? I don't care that some moms who can afford it choose to work anyway. It's none of my business what works for you.


I wrote the above. You'll notice that I never said I hated my career or that I was aching to quit or that I viewed being a SAHM as an escape route. I merely said that I would rather be at home than at work, and that I loved staying home more than I loved my career. I choose to stay at home because I like it better. It is more fulfilling to me than my job was, and, as I said, as good as I was at my job (and I was good), I was and am dispensable to everyone in the world except my daughter. I prefer to be with her.
Anonymous
I chose to leave a fulfilling career to take care of my two kids. No guilt, no looking back, no worries. Work will always be there. I am keeping connections and doing some things, not work, that keep me in the game a little, but I am really not worried. FOR ME, these years are flying and I am not okay with someone else taking my kids to school or lessons or watching them take first steps. And beyond that, I wasn't sure how I could teach my kids our family values if I am not home to do it. It is stressful and tiring and brain-numbing, but I am more proud of THIS job (mom) than any other. FOR ME, it is my most important work. Money is okay in the house and we can do this...so I think it is what I SHOULD do and what I WANT to do. I always saw myself doing this, if it makes any difference. I will go back to work, when the time is right. But I cannot establish a healthy balance in my life when I work and have kids. The pace is too much. Life needs to be slower. For me, for the kids, for my husband.
Anonymous
An important factor that has not been mentioned -- how much money did you make before you left your job? Many of my SAHM friends didn't make all that much to begin with. After paying for a nanny and other costs of working, the weren't bringing home that much. Now, for some women, who really want to work, that doesn't matter - they want to work regardless of how much they net, and I can understand that perspective. A career you enjoy is about alot of things, not just money.
For me, it was a close call as to whether I should stay home or work, but I was making close to 300k -- so the cost-benefit analysis for me was different than for my friends making 80k. Ultimately I went to a new, lower paying job, where I work 30 hours a week but I still make 150K. To me, that is a no brainer. I know alot of women who chose to stay home, but I don't know alot of women who chose to stay home when they had a 30 hour/wk job that paid six figures. The cost to my kids (a part-time nanny instead of me for 30 hours a week) is quite low in comparison to the benefits my income can bring.
That said, even if I made much less, I see so much value in me working, at least part time. For me, it keeps things in balance. I know it is different for everyone, though.
Anonymous
A couple of thoughts: I love the prof mom. She is right on, in my opinion. I also appreciated the PP. I did not set out in life to be a SAHM. I know few in our demographic who did/do. I was raised to go for it all. I did have a great career ( and yes I loved it most of the time). I am very confident in my skills. I can do it again if need be. I am well-educated, and worked the crazy DC hours/work scene for nearly 15 years. I became a very successful political/policy professional. I married, had my first child and continued to work. Then I had another child, my husband's career became even more intense, we were making a ridiculous amount of money, but the stress level was high, the logistics impossible , and I missed my kids.

So flash forward and I "took some time off". Now I feel pretty fully entrenched in my life at home with the kids. I don't love every minute of it. But, it is the best thing for me and my family at this point (the seasons analogy).

I don't get these women who seem so angry at women who do not work outside the home. I have peace in my family and in my heart. Life is good. Perhaps my husband will die, will leave me, etc. but that is how life goes-- I will deal with that if the time (god forbid) should ever come. (To be fair, I could die, and I will be so glad for all of this time with my kids) and no, that is not meant as a swipe at working moms. Just a reality. In the meantime, for us, this is the right mix of roles and I really doubt I will look back (as the old saying goes) and wish on my death bed that I had worked away from my family more. . . my two cents.
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