Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.

If you don't want gender reassignment surgery or hormones for yourself, don't get one! Easy as that! Stay out of it for other people. Really, it's that simple.

At some point, though, society has to decide when to stay out of things and when not to. There must be boundaries. The fact that your boundaries and PPs are different doesn't mean that this isn't a boundary setting issue. Clearly, you can't "live and let live" about everything in a functional society, but people disagree about where to draw the line. Just agree to disagree, yeesh.

No, because the problem is who is drawing that line, and the fact that where that line is evolves and changes in societies. What should "society" have to say about someone's gender identity anyway?

This is my point exactly. You think society shouldn't "hold the pen" to draw the line around gender identity and, presumably, to other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). PPs do think society should "hold the pen" on these matters and, presumably, on other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). I think at the edges everyone agrees - for example, you may have been born with the brain chemistry that compels you to kill but you still can't do it, even if you feel compelled to and were born with that desire. When it gets into what I personally view as more harmless (e.g., gender identity), people disagree, and I think the disagreement is respectable on both sides.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.

If you don't want gender reassignment surgery or hormones for yourself, don't get one! Easy as that! Stay out of it for other people. Really, it's that simple.

At some point, though, society has to decide when to stay out of things and when not to. There must be boundaries. The fact that your boundaries and PPs are different doesn't mean that this isn't a boundary setting issue. Clearly, you can't "live and let live" about everything in a functional society, but people disagree about where to draw the line. Just agree to disagree, yeesh.

No, because the problem is who is drawing that line, and the fact that where that line is evolves and changes in societies. What should "society" have to say about someone's gender identity anyway?

This is my point exactly. You think society shouldn't "hold the pen" to draw the line around gender identity and, presumably, to other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). PPs do think society should "hold the pen" on these matters and, presumably, on other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). I think at the edges everyone agrees - for example, you may have been born with the brain chemistry that compels you to kill but you still can't do it, even if you feel compelled to and were born with that desire. When it gets into what I personally view as more harmless (e.g., gender identity), people disagree, and I think the disagreement is respectable on both sides.

I was good all the way to the end there.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.

If you don't want gender reassignment surgery or hormones for yourself, don't get one! Easy as that! Stay out of it for other people. Really, it's that simple.

At some point, though, society has to decide when to stay out of things and when not to. There must be boundaries. The fact that your boundaries and PPs are different doesn't mean that this isn't a boundary setting issue. Clearly, you can't "live and let live" about everything in a functional society, but people disagree about where to draw the line. Just agree to disagree, yeesh.

No, because the problem is who is drawing that line, and the fact that where that line is evolves and changes in societies. What should "society" have to say about someone's gender identity anyway?

This is my point exactly. You think society shouldn't "hold the pen" to draw the line around gender identity and, presumably, to other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). PPs do think society should "hold the pen" on these matters and, presumably, on other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). I think at the edges everyone agrees - for example, you may have been born with the brain chemistry that compels you to kill but you still can't do it, even if you feel compelled to and were born with that desire. When it gets into what I personally view as more harmless (e.g., gender identity), people disagree, and I think the disagreement is respectable on both sides.

I was good all the way to the end there.....

Everyone who disagrees with me is WRONG. - Signed, "open-minded" DCUMs everywhere

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.

If you don't want gender reassignment surgery or hormones for yourself, don't get one! Easy as that! Stay out of it for other people. Really, it's that simple.

At some point, though, society has to decide when to stay out of things and when not to. There must be boundaries. The fact that your boundaries and PPs are different doesn't mean that this isn't a boundary setting issue. Clearly, you can't "live and let live" about everything in a functional society, but people disagree about where to draw the line. Just agree to disagree, yeesh.

No, because the problem is who is drawing that line, and the fact that where that line is evolves and changes in societies. What should "society" have to say about someone's gender identity anyway?

This is my point exactly. You think society shouldn't "hold the pen" to draw the line around gender identity and, presumably, to other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). PPs do think society should "hold the pen" on these matters and, presumably, on other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). I think at the edges everyone agrees - for example, you may have been born with the brain chemistry that compels you to kill but you still can't do it, even if you feel compelled to and were born with that desire. When it gets into what I personally view as more harmless (e.g., gender identity), people disagree, and I think the disagreement is respectable on both sides.

I was good all the way to the end there.....

Everyone who disagrees with me is WRONG. - Signed, "open-minded" DCUMs everywhere

Why is there "agreement" or "disagreement" on this issue as it relates to someone's gender identity?? There is no debate, no discussion, no opinion. Someone's identity is their own, and you actually don't get to "disagree" with them on it. I'm not talking about my opinion about it (maybe I think it's great, maybe I think it's ridiculous - it's still not mine and not anything I would "get" to have an opinion on, any more than I can have an opinion on what it's like to be someone else in any regard.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would die if my son did that.

And your son/daughter would be better off for it.

Another loving, peaceful, tolerant liberal.

Another conservative who pretends they care about life, but would rather die than support their child.

Yup. The same conservative that "tickles" male interns and adopts the "wide stance" in public bathrooms. So tolerant they are... NOT!!!

The individual that tickled male interns was Eric Massa D-NY

[Anonymous]

OMG I just saw this for the first time!!
Is that picture real?!!

[Anonymous]

Bruce Jenner says he wants a change ...He wants to compete as a women in the next Olympics .......
Bruce or soon to be Betty says, who else has one a medal in the Olympics as both a male and female ........

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are seven fingers touching him. Who do they belong to?

If you click on the link there are more photos--it's a nurse helping him to the car.

A nurse, really? There are 2 left hands assisting him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.

If you don't want gender reassignment surgery or hormones for yourself, don't get one! Easy as that! Stay out of it for other people. Really, it's that simple.

At some point, though, society has to decide when to stay out of things and when not to. There must be boundaries. The fact that your boundaries and PPs are different doesn't mean that this isn't a boundary setting issue. Clearly, you can't "live and let live" about everything in a functional society, but people disagree about where to draw the line. Just agree to disagree, yeesh.

No, because the problem is who is drawing that line, and the fact that where that line is evolves and changes in societies. What should "society" have to say about someone's gender identity anyway?

This is my point exactly. You think society shouldn't "hold the pen" to draw the line around gender identity and, presumably, to other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). PPs do think society should "hold the pen" on these matters and, presumably, on other things related to the self (e.g., abortion). I think at the edges everyone agrees - for example, you may have been born with the brain chemistry that compels you to kill but you still can't do it, even if you feel compelled to and were born with that desire. When it gets into what I personally view as more harmless (e.g., gender identity), people disagree, and I think the disagreement is respectable on both sides.

They need scoiety to help them with the change, this is where I have a problem. People did not sit at a bench for years developing drugs for this. Surgeons did not go to med school for this. This is plain whacky and the way we respond as a society is wrong. They need therapy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - is he actually in the process of transitioning into a woman? Is that a fact or speculation based on his current appearance.

I know that he had some botched plastic surgery. But now it looks like he is doing his eyebrows and nails, growing his hair out. So maybe he is in the process of transitioning. He seems like a nice guy, always has - never understood the whole Kardashian thing, though. Whatever he does, I hope he's happy.

As men get older, testosterone decreases and estrogen increases. Hence why some men get 'chesty'.

Science is your friend people.

In addition, I am a guitar player who knows a lot of men with longer nails, because they don't play with their fingertips, they use their nails. Some even get acrylic tips. That makes them a musician, not a woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would die if my son did that.

And your son/daughter would be better off for it.

Another loving, peaceful, tolerant liberal.

Another conservative who pretends they care about life, but would rather die than support their child.

Like those in Hollywood? Where the 1%ers talk about fairness while stashing their money in offshore accounts and production companies in states that have low taxes? Those conservatives?

[Anonymous]

wonder how Scott will react to the transformation.

[Anonymous]

I have gender dysphoria. There is no doubt in my mind this is what bruce jenner suffers from.
It is probable that there has been on-going therapy in his life.
I have been in therapy to try to stop the onset of this. I an also on anti-deptessants
anxieity reducing drugs to help me cope with feeling like i am living a life in the wrong gender.
Gender dysphoria will consume a persons mind and life. Its not as simple as letting go of some "idea"
that crossed your mind. Gender dysphoria is more common than most people know.
The condition needs to be exposed, understood and excepted and treated as needed for
individual needs.
Sometimes transition is the only "medicine" to help this condition.
Its not easy for people without the condition to understand how serious it is.
To complicate matters, Gender Dysphoria can have different levels at different times.
Its a complicated subject to say the least. But the point is, Bruce would rather NOT
change his appearance! It is NEEDED because of the condition he SUFFERS from!
I believe me, it is Suffering! Trust that Bruce has had multiple people tell him he is an embarrasment
and that he will be riduculed and abandoned by many of his friends and family.
Imagine if you had cancer and everyone turns on you because you lost your hair in treatment.
It is a very similar feeling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have gender dysphoria. There is no doubt in my mind this is what bruce jenner suffers from.
It is probable that there has been on-going therapy in his life.
I have been in therapy to try to stop the onset of this. I an also on anti-deptessants
anxieity reducing drugs to help me cope with feeling like i am living a life in the wrong gender.
Gender dysphoria will consume a persons mind and life. Its not as simple as letting go of some "idea"
that crossed your mind. Gender dysphoria is more common than most people know.
The condition needs to be exposed, understood and excepted and treated as needed for
individual needs.
Sometimes transition is the only "medicine" to help this condition.
Its not easy for people without the condition to understand how serious it is.
To complicate matters, Gender Dysphoria can have different levels at different times.
Its a complicated subject to say the least. But the point is, Bruce would rather NOT
change his appearance! It is NEEDED because of the condition he SUFFERS from!
I believe me, it is Suffering! Trust that Bruce has had multiple people tell him he is an embarrasment
and that he will be riduculed and abandoned by many of his friends and family.
Imagine if you had cancer and everyone turns on you because you lost your hair in treatment.
It is a very similar feeling.

Sounds difficult. Good luck.
When you say it's "Gender dysphoria is more common than most people know" what does that mean? Do you know numbers?

[Anonymous]

I thought we all supported gay people now. He is just an old wanna be gay person. Transgender person.