Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman

[Anonymous]

I'm from that area. I know exactly where it is. The road is straight. (One report said that it's a twisty road). There's nothing going on there except the traffic light.

This is in Malibu, which is 27 miles long. If driving north (or west, basically out of LA toward Ventura) before that point, there is a long down hill that does encourage one to speed some, but it flattens out a bit before that traffic light. The pics looked like they were going north but I didn't look too hard. (if they were going north, the mountain brush would be on their right side, if south, homes/ocean would be on their right side)

If going towards LA (south/east), right before that intersection there is a down hill (basically that traffic light intersection is at a low point) and it would be easier, if distracted, to not stop for that light.

This is the same road where Mel Gibson got pulled over. It's basically a dangerous road (not only because it seems there are always rocks falling just north of there, where the road does get windy) but because it's really the only road through that area, and the beach side is lined with homes.

Many, many celebrities live on both sides of that road, and they have to drive if they want to go anywhere to eat or shop. The whole culture there is one of excess and I drive this road all the time and I'm always nervous about drunk drivers. The shoulders of the road are jammed with parked cars and there is no center divider.

[Anonymous]

9:51 again. just had to add that I got this in my email inbox, which just further bothers me about how much drunk driving goes on on this road...

Police Question Why Paparazzo Happened to Have Roadside Camera Ready at Fatal Bruce Jenner Crash
A woman was killed in a PCH crash. Hours later, a drunk driver plowed through the police barricade and into the crashed cars, police say.

http://patch.com/california/pacificpalisades/1-dead-multicar-malibu-crash-involving-bruce-jenner-possibly-being-pursued-paparazzi?utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_medium=email&utm_term=police%20%26%20fire&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=article-mostrecent

[Anonymous]

I don't think the victim was wearing a seatbelt (strictly based on pictures I saw). Is that correct?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:9:51 again. just had to add that I got this in my email inbox, which just further bothers me about how much drunk driving goes on on this road...

Police Question Why Paparazzo Happened to Have Roadside Camera Ready at Fatal Bruce Jenner Crash
A woman was killed in a PCH crash. Hours later, a drunk driver plowed through the police barricade and into the crashed cars, police say.

http://patch.com/california/pacificpalisades/1-dead-multicar-malibu-crash-involving-bruce-jenner-possibly-being-pursued-paparazzi?utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_medium=email&utm_term=police%20%26%20fire&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=article-mostrecent

That's crazy.
Sounds dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like he is texting in the pic.

You're right! I studied the TMZ photos yesterday. It certainly looks like they were trying to get photos - and the series is pretty damning for him. The TMZ consecutive shots show him hitting the white car and pushing her over the line into headon traffic (look at the pavement lines in the TMZ photos). I had not noticed that his left arm is up and that does look like texting!

[Anonymous]

TMZ has pictures showing it was a cigarette in his left hand.

[Anonymous]

The headlines are giving the impression that Bruce Jenner caused the accident. However, it was the driver of the first car--the Prius that had slowed or stopped which caused the now deceased driver of the Lexus to rear end it and then Bruce Jenner rear ended the Lexus which then moved out into oncoming traffic and was hit head on by the Hummer driver.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The headlines are giving the impression that Bruce Jenner caused the accident. However, it was the driver of the first car--the Prius that had slowed or stopped which caused the now deceased driver of the Lexus to rear end it and then Bruce Jenner rear ended the Lexus which then moved out into oncoming traffic and was hit head on by the Hummer driver.

Do you have the link to that (or what article you are reading?) Yes tmz has pretty much stated he caused the accident.

There are some huge legal ramifications, I think, based on my experience:

Interestingly enough, my DH was in LA and involved in almost this exact fact pattern except for nobody went out of line. Two cars crashed on the freeway, and DH was behind them. He braked hard and slid into the stopped rear of the second car--tapping it and giving it the mildest dent.

DH was considered at fault for the whole thing. We tried to fight it. CA has strict liability for the driver who hits anyone in front of them. We tried arguing that it was in fact two accidents: First, the accident involving the two cars, then DH sliding into the second car--the second accident being only the slight dent. They wouldn't buy it. Then the driver of one car claimed they were hurt--probably BS based on DH's interaction with them, and certainly not because DH tapped the second car. It was SO frustrating.

So as this story unfolds, I'm going to watch to see if press articles are talking about Jenner actually being at fault by causing the accident, or just *legally* being at fault due to the strict liability statute.

[Anonymous]

Now it looks like Bruce Jenner was smoking a cigarette vs. text messaging while driving and that the Toyota Prius was possibly going to do an illegal U-turn at the intersection so what most likely happened is that the Prius stopped suddenly, hoping to do the illegal U-turn, then the white Lexus ran into it, thus causing Bruce's car to run into her. Well the Prius had enough time to avoid the oncoming black Hummer, but the Lexus did not and since the Hummer was going on a green light, it was not at fault.

The Lexus was not either since she was pushed into the intersection and Bruce will most likely not be cited either since the Lexus just abruptly stopped in front of his vehicle, thus causing a "chain reaction" effect.

I say the Prius driver should be at fault for thinking they could make a quick U-turn before the light turned red.

[Anonymous]

The Toyota Prius misjudged the timing of the streetlights and thought the light would stay green long enough to make the illegal U-turn.

They didn't think it would turn red so quickly plus they thought that there was plenty of time to turn before the white Lexus caught up to them. :'(

[Anonymous]

Thought he finally was going to spare us all but she he lives on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now it looks like Bruce Jenner was smoking a cigarette vs. text messaging while driving and that the Toyota Prius was possibly going to do an illegal U-turn at the intersection so what most likely happened is that the Prius stopped suddenly, hoping to do the illegal U-turn, then the white Lexus ran into it, thus causing Bruce's car to run into her. Well the Prius had enough time to avoid the oncoming black Hummer, but the Lexus did not and since the Hummer was going on a green light, it was not at fault.

The Lexus was not either since she was pushed into the intersection and Bruce will most likely not be cited either since the Lexus just abruptly stopped in front of his vehicle, thus causing a "chain reaction" effect.

I say the Prius driver should be at fault for thinking they could make a quick U-turn before the light turned red.

PP here who knows the area. That Prius person was being a total jerk, then. First of all, it's easy to turn right onto the quiet road of Corral Canyon and then make that U-turn there. Second, that U-turn the Prius was attempting would be tight and oncoming traffic is flying down a hill very fast. Third, they are in the fast lane and stopping to turn left at a T-intersection where logically, to turn left is to go through a house into the ocean--nobody behind you would anticipate this move. Fourth, there is another opportunity to turn right onto another quiet road, then make a U-turn just up the hill after that intersection. Oh, and 6th, on the right, there is a restaurant driveway (Beau Rivage) just before that light, and a gas station just after. There is NO excuse to do a U turn if you want to turn around.

As I stated above, CA has strict liability laws re rear-ending people so it doesn't matter who actually caused the accident when determining legal liability--it's the guy at the back of the chain. The presumption is that you should be back far enough to be able to avoid anything going on ahead of you. However; I'm sure there will be much fighting over this, because if I was in the back, I sure wouldn't want to be taking the fall for the Prius owner. Not on a manslaughter charge. Ah but he's caught texting--I am telling you, everyone who drives on this road are total bone-heads--this is not looking good for Bruce.

As a tangent, if you do an image search of him in the Olympics, wow, he was such a specimen of manliness. Not really relevant here but it was such an exciting time and I just wonder what has gone on with him since those days. I guess it might be sort of like peaking in high school and then floundering to find one's self in the years after.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The headlines are giving the impression that Bruce Jenner caused the accident. However, it was the driver of the first car--the Prius that had slowed or stopped which caused the now deceased driver of the Lexus to rear end it and then Bruce Jenner rear ended the Lexus which then moved out into oncoming traffic and was hit head on by the Hummer driver.

Do you have the link to that (or what article you are reading?) Yes tmz has pretty much stated he caused the accident.

There are some huge legal ramifications, I think, based on my experience:

Interestingly enough, my DH was in LA and involved in almost this exact fact pattern except for nobody went out of line. Two cars crashed on the freeway, and DH was behind them. He braked hard and slid into the stopped rear of the second car--tapping it and giving it the mildest dent.

DH was considered at fault for the whole thing. We tried to fight it. CA has strict liability for the driver who hits anyone in front of them. We tried arguing that it was in fact two accidents: First, the accident involving the two cars, then DH sliding into the second car--the second accident being only the slight dent. They wouldn't buy it. Then the driver of one car claimed they were hurt--probably BS based on DH's interaction with them, and certainly not because DH tapped the second car. It was SO frustrating.

So as this story unfolds, I'm going to watch to see if press articles are talking about Jenner actually being at fault by causing the accident, or just *legally* being at fault due to the strict liability statute.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bruce-jenner-texting-fatal-crash-20150209-story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The headlines are giving the impression that Bruce Jenner caused the accident. However, it was the driver of the first car--the Prius that had slowed or stopped which caused the now deceased driver of the Lexus to rear end it and then Bruce Jenner rear ended the Lexus which then moved out into oncoming traffic and was hit head on by the Hummer driver.

Do you have the link to that (or what article you are reading?) Yes tmz has pretty much stated he caused the accident.

There are some huge legal ramifications, I think, based on my experience:

Interestingly enough, my DH was in LA and involved in almost this exact fact pattern except for nobody went out of line. Two cars crashed on the freeway, and DH was behind them. He braked hard and slid into the stopped rear of the second car--tapping it and giving it the mildest dent.

DH was considered at fault for the whole thing. We tried to fight it. CA has strict liability for the driver who hits anyone in front of them. We tried arguing that it was in fact two accidents: First, the accident involving the two cars, then DH sliding into the second car--the second accident being only the slight dent. They wouldn't buy it. Then the driver of one car claimed they were hurt--probably BS based on DH's interaction with them, and certainly not because DH tapped the second car. It was SO frustrating.

So as this story unfolds, I'm going to watch to see if press articles are talking about Jenner actually being at fault by causing the accident, or just *legally* being at fault due to the strict liability statute.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bruce-jenner-texting-fatal-crash-20150209-story.html

Who is "they"?

[Anonymous]

"As a tangent, if you do an image search of him in the Olympics, wow, he was such a specimen of manliness. Not really relevant here but it was such an exciting time and I just wonder what has gone on with him since those days. I guess it might be sort of like peaking in high school and then floundering to find one's self in the years after."

I wonder if the Kartrashians traumatized him in some way, seriously.