Parents of boys who became incels

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

You're a lost cause, and you will reap what you sow. Look at the media today honestly. It is frankly rah-rah women and anti-male all the time. You can make the world fair and provide equal opportunity without tearing down boys. You don't want to do that, however.

Just because we are championing girls in areas they've never been championed before, it doesn't mean we are tearing down boys. Your insecurity and hate for women is what's making you an incel. Men still hold most of the positions of power so cry me a river.

It's nice that you think that. However, in reality, the messaging is distinctly anti-male, even in traditionally male places. Here is the ad from the Super Bowl I mentioned above. The girl is portrayed as an incredible hero. The boys are hateful cretins who aren't even good at what they claim to do.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqhcNnxfv4

Now please show me how many CEOs are men, how many politicians, scientists, law firm equity partners. What are you doing to make sure that women get equal representation and opportunities?

That is such a shallow way of viewing this issue. Most men are not ceos or law partners either. It’s not the gender that gets people those positions it’s the lust for power. Which is not a good thing. Society doesn’t benefit just because the evil CEO is now a woman. We still have a classist society based on exploitation even if a woman is doing the exploiting.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

You're a lost cause, and you will reap what you sow. Look at the media today honestly. It is frankly rah-rah women and anti-male all the time. You can make the world fair and provide equal opportunity without tearing down boys. You don't want to do that, however.

Just because we are championing girls in areas they've never been championed before, it doesn't mean we are tearing down boys. Your insecurity and hate for women is what's making you an incel. Men still hold most of the positions of power so cry me a river.

It's nice that you think that. However, in reality, the messaging is distinctly anti-male, even in traditionally male places. Here is the ad from the Super Bowl I mentioned above. The girl is portrayed as an incredible hero. The boys are hateful cretins who aren't even good at what they claim to do.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqhcNnxfv4

Now please show me how many CEOs are men, how many politicians, scientists, law firm equity partners. What are you doing to make sure that women get equal representation and opportunities?

That is such a shallow way of viewing this issue. Most men are not ceos or law partners either. It’s not the gender that gets people those positions it’s the lust for power. Which is not a good thing. Society doesn’t benefit just because the evil CEO is now a woman. We still have a classist society based on exploitation even if a woman is doing the exploiting.

You lack basic logic which is I guess the main reason for your incel like thinking. No, most men are not CEOs. However, most CEOs are men. Get it now?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

You're a lost cause, and you will reap what you sow. Look at the media today honestly. It is frankly rah-rah women and anti-male all the time. You can make the world fair and provide equal opportunity without tearing down boys. You don't want to do that, however.

Just because we are championing girls in areas they've never been championed before, it doesn't mean we are tearing down boys. Your insecurity and hate for women is what's making you an incel. Men still hold most of the positions of power so cry me a river.

It's nice that you think that. However, in reality, the messaging is distinctly anti-male, even in traditionally male places. Here is the ad from the Super Bowl I mentioned above. The girl is portrayed as an incredible hero. The boys are hateful cretins who aren't even good at what they claim to do.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqhcNnxfv4

Now please show me how many CEOs are men, how many politicians, scientists, law firm equity partners. What are you doing to make sure that women get equal representation and opportunities?

Non-responsive. You asked about incels. I told you it is problem of culture denigrating boys, and boys checking out because of it. You claimed that the culture does no such thing. I showed you an ad from one of the biggest media events of the year demonstrating otherwise.

No, it's very responsive. You just choose to feel like the victim and not see the reality of the situation. I can show you a million videos from Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, and a million other men who feel just like you with no basis in reality. Men are not victims. Stop perpetuating the idea that you are.

I’m a DP. Are you able to show a single clip of a tv show or mainstream ad that presents a man as a desirable role model as opposed to a bumbling oaf or evil power broker? I don’t see these role models for what a young man should aspire to be.

[Anonymous]

I have a young boy and I think it's small minded to assume helping girls hurts boys. I actually find it to be the opposite as having girls around loosens up the rigid roles boys were shoved into when I was a kid. My son is free to play sports at school and all the same kids got to learn bead art in aftercare. It's about balance.

I really think the radicalization of boys is an internet phenomenon, back when I was a kid we wouldn't be allowed to talk to complete unvetted strangers so young.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

The point is that the pendulum should not be swinging back and forth. We should be well balanced n the middle where neither gender is boosted or torn down. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

DP. Most things do sort of have to swing back and forth a bit before finding equilibrium. Maybe instead of lashing out, you can look inward and figure out how to contribute to finding that balance, and not just fanning flames.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

The point is that the pendulum should not be swinging back and forth. We should be well balanced n the middle where neither gender is boosted or torn down. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

True, so why do men still have most of the power? Why did we have to fight for a basic right to vote? Why do men still want to control women's bodies? Why is it so difficult to comprehend that the pendulum is swinging in response to what men have done for millennia?

“Men” don’t. Some men do. So do some women. Your whole framing of the issue displays your obvious bias against men.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

You're a lost cause, and you will reap what you sow. Look at the media today honestly. It is frankly rah-rah women and anti-male all the time. You can make the world fair and provide equal opportunity without tearing down boys. You don't want to do that, however.

Just because we are championing girls in areas they've never been championed before, it doesn't mean we are tearing down boys. Your insecurity and hate for women is what's making you an incel. Men still hold most of the positions of power so cry me a river.

It's nice that you think that. However, in reality, the messaging is distinctly anti-male, even in traditionally male places. Here is the ad from the Super Bowl I mentioned above. The girl is portrayed as an incredible hero. The boys are hateful cretins who aren't even good at what they claim to do.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqhcNnxfv4

Now please show me how many CEOs are men, how many politicians, scientists, law firm equity partners. What are you doing to make sure that women get equal representation and opportunities?

That is such a shallow way of viewing this issue. Most men are not ceos or law partners either. It’s not the gender that gets people those positions it’s the lust for power. Which is not a good thing. Society doesn’t benefit just because the evil CEO is now a woman. We still have a classist society based on exploitation even if a woman is doing the exploiting.

You lack basic logic which is I guess the main reason for your incel like thinking. No, most men are not CEOs. However, most CEOs are men. Get it now?

Thanks for the personal insult. How compelling. Almost like toxic masculinity, no?

Why does the gender of a ceo matter more than the actions of a ceo or the overall power that the executive class wields over those with less? I would suggest that it doesn’t. We should be advocating for less corporate power overall.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

The point is that the pendulum should not be swinging back and forth. We should be well balanced n the middle where neither gender is boosted or torn down. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

DP. Most things do sort of have to swing back and forth a bit before finding equilibrium. Maybe instead of lashing out, you can look inward and figure out how to contribute to finding that balance, and not just fanning flames.

I am literally the one that is calling for the middle road. That is what finding balance looks like. Not promoting a wild swing in the opposite direction. Were am I fanning flames? By asking for a middle road where people are judged for their actions and not their sex?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

The point is that the pendulum should not be swinging back and forth. We should be well balanced n the middle where neither gender is boosted or torn down. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

DP. Most things do sort of have to swing back and forth a bit before finding equilibrium. Maybe instead of lashing out, you can look inward and figure out how to contribute to finding that balance, and not just fanning flames.

I am literally the one that is calling for the middle road. That is what finding balance looks like. Not promoting a wild swing in the opposite direction. Were am I fanning flames? By asking for a middle road where people are judged for their actions and not their sex?

Are you the same poster who wrote “you are toxic. You treat boys like criminals…”?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

You're a lost cause, and you will reap what you sow. Look at the media today honestly. It is frankly rah-rah women and anti-male all the time. You can make the world fair and provide equal opportunity without tearing down boys. You don't want to do that, however.

Just because we are championing girls in areas they've never been championed before, it doesn't mean we are tearing down boys. Your insecurity and hate for women is what's making you an incel. Men still hold most of the positions of power so cry me a river.

It's nice that you think that. However, in reality, the messaging is distinctly anti-male, even in traditionally male places. Here is the ad from the Super Bowl I mentioned above. The girl is portrayed as an incredible hero. The boys are hateful cretins who aren't even good at what they claim to do.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqhcNnxfv4

Now please show me how many CEOs are men, how many politicians, scientists, law firm equity partners. What are you doing to make sure that women get equal representation and opportunities?

Non-responsive. You asked about incels. I told you it is problem of culture denigrating boys, and boys checking out because of it. You claimed that the culture does no such thing. I showed you an ad from one of the biggest media events of the year demonstrating otherwise.

No, it's very responsive. You just choose to feel like the victim and not see the reality of the situation. I can show you a million videos from Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, and a million other men who feel just like you with no basis in reality. Men are not victims. Stop perpetuating the idea that you are.

I’m a DP. Are you able to show a single clip of a tv show or mainstream ad that presents a man as a desirable role model as opposed to a bumbling oaf or evil power broker? I don’t see these role models for what a young man should aspire to be.

The Pitt! Not White Lotus lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

The point is that the pendulum should not be swinging back and forth. We should be well balanced n the middle where neither gender is boosted or torn down. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

DP. Most things do sort of have to swing back and forth a bit before finding equilibrium. Maybe instead of lashing out, you can look inward and figure out how to contribute to finding that balance, and not just fanning flames.

I am literally the one that is calling for the middle road. That is what finding balance looks like. Not promoting a wild swing in the opposite direction. Were am I fanning flames? By asking for a middle road where people are judged for their actions and not their sex?

Are you the same poster who wrote “you are toxic. You treat boys like criminals…”?

No I am not.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Spoken like a true incel. Blaming it all on women with NO accountability for men and boys. I can't take you seriously.

What can parents do to help boys in this new world where women and minorities are rightfully represented. The answer isn't to diminish women or minorities. I want to learn how to help my son coexist and thrive in this new world. I want to avoid prevent him from becoming an incel and recluse.

I appreciate some of the suggestions here regarding chores, etc. Keep those coming.

You are toxic. You treat boys like criminals in waiting while doing everything you can to tell girls they are awesome and can do anything (especially since the world goes out of its way to support them). Then you blame boys for being put off. The problem is you.

PP was right. You do speak like a true incel. The moment you have to relinquish some power to women you feel threatened. For millennia women and girls have been treated like less than but that was all ok, right? Hell, we had to fight for a right to vote while you think that was just inherently yours. So forgive us while the pendulum swings our way for a change.

You're a lost cause, and you will reap what you sow. Look at the media today honestly. It is frankly rah-rah women and anti-male all the time. You can make the world fair and provide equal opportunity without tearing down boys. You don't want to do that, however.

Just because we are championing girls in areas they've never been championed before, it doesn't mean we are tearing down boys. Your insecurity and hate for women is what's making you an incel. Men still hold most of the positions of power so cry me a river.

It's nice that you think that. However, in reality, the messaging is distinctly anti-male, even in traditionally male places. Here is the ad from the Super Bowl I mentioned above. The girl is portrayed as an incredible hero. The boys are hateful cretins who aren't even good at what they claim to do.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqhcNnxfv4

Now please show me how many CEOs are men, how many politicians, scientists, law firm equity partners. What are you doing to make sure that women get equal representation and opportunities?

That is such a shallow way of viewing this issue. Most men are not ceos or law partners either. It’s not the gender that gets people those positions it’s the lust for power. Which is not a good thing. Society doesn’t benefit just because the evil CEO is now a woman. We still have a classist society based on exploitation even if a woman is doing the exploiting.

You lack basic logic which is I guess the main reason for your incel like thinking. No, most men are not CEOs. However, most CEOs are men. Get it now?

Thanks for the personal insult. How compelling. Almost like toxic masculinity, no?

Why does the gender of a ceo matter more than the actions of a ceo or the overall power that the executive class wields over those with less? I would suggest that it doesn’t. We should be advocating for less corporate power overall.

It matters in this conversation since you are begrudging the messaging to girls that they are capable of doing anything or being in certain roles. Boys don't need to be explicitly told because they are already in those roles by overwhelming majorities. They know they belong there. No one is actively working to hold them back or to keep them out.

Why don't you spend more time trying to actively include women and level the playing field instead of feeling like a victim? Again, you're not. You're not missing any opportunities as a man. Women still are.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t you any of you have a grasp on what an incel is.

Google says it is a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

Have you ever met a kid? Boys are (usually) confident to the point they need to learn humility, compassion and empathy. They need to be taught a lot emotional skills in order to not end up undateable in todays modern world where women will chose to stay single rather than marry them. That’s why we’re ending up with these incels.

Girls, on the other hand, (usually) develop the emotional skills early, independently and successfully. Where they need guidance is building skills like dealing with conflict and risk taking. Skills boys seems to develop more naturally.

That’s not toxic femininity. That’s basic child development.

NP: These stereotypes are absolutely false though. the kids who run into trouble are then ones who don't fit them but are teated as if they do; they are wrongly assumed to fit them.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem that the entire discussion in this thread is premised on an assumption that boys are almost inherently at risk of going off the rails and becoming bad. That assumption, which unfortunately has becoming deeply rooted in culture and especially in schools due to liberal political preferences, is the key driver for the problem you are worried about. Right now, girls are boosted and treated like the future at every turn, even in implausible situations. Look at the Super Bowl ads for one example, where, among other things, there was an ad where a minority female implausibly bested the entire men's football team (who were portrayed as hateful ogres throughout). Until you all learn to respect and value boys, expect bad results. Toxic femininity is real and a problem.

No, the premise of the thread is 'boys who became incels." Not all boys.

Also, if a well raised, nicely adjusted boy sees the commercial you reference, they do not see themselves in the boys portrayed, and they are rooting for the girl. That is how my boys see that commercial. They understand the message, and they know it isn't about them. If you see yourself in the boys in the commercial and it makes you angry, that suggests the problem is you.