When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?

[Anonymous]

Average US News rank 1996-2025. (The USNWR list was greatly expanded in 1996.)

1.2 Princeton University
1.8 Harvard University
3.0 Yale University
4.7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4.8 Stanford University
6.8 University of Pennsylvania
7.5 California Institute of Technology
7.5 Duke University
7.8 Columbia University
8.6 University of Chicago
10.6 Dartmouth College
11.1 Northwestern University
12.0 Johns Hopkins University
13.7 Brown University
13.9 Cornell University
15.2 Washington University in St. Louis
16.3 Rice University
17.6 Vanderbilt University
18.2 University of Notre Dame
19.3 Emory University
21.0 University of California-Berkeley
22.2 Georgetown University
23.3 Carnegie Mellon University
23.5 University of Virginia
23.5 University of California-Los Angeles
25.4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
28.0 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28.3 Tufts University
28.6 Wake Forest University
28.9 University of Southern California
32.6 New York University
34.2 University of Rochester
34.5 College of William and Mary
35.3 Brandeis University
35.4 University of California-San Diego
35.5 Boston College
37.3 Georgia Institute of Technology
38.7 University of Wisconsin-Madison
39.2 Case Western Reserve University
40.0 Lehigh University
40.5 University of California-Davis
40.8 University of California-Irvine
42.1 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
45.7 Tulane University

If a college is missing, it wasn't included in the rankings some of 1996-2025.

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Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

Emory? lol no

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/emory-university-1564
Currently ranked 24
https://www.aronfrishberg.com/projects/usnehas historically been ranked higher than UVA for 30 years.

The second link is broken, here's another.
UVA was ranked as low as 28 in 2020. Emory has never been ranked lower than 24. UVA is T30, Emory is T20/25. UVA rose because of the methodology changes that started in 2021.
https://publicuniversityhonors.com/us-news-rankings-2025-which-universities-have-gained-or-lost-the-most-since-2018/

No, it didn’t. It was ranked 23 in 2015, then 26, 24, 25, 25 before 28 in 2020. Your 28 is cherry-picked. Its ranking has been incredibly consistent for a decade.

I am not cherry picking. You and others decided to cherry pick Emory out of a "undisputed list" of T25 schools when Emory was ranked 20 in 2022, and 24 today, its lowest rank. Yet UVAs highest ranks before the methodology changes was 25 and 24 today, ranked as low as 28. Yet UVA is T25, and Emory isnt??? Yea im on to you.

+1 the methodology changes actually started in 2023, Emory would probably still be ranked 20 if it didn't change, while UVA 25-28. Also those changes that helped public schools and hurt privates won't last in the trump era, especially if they get rid of the Department of Education. Thats where US news gets all it's pell grant data.

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The methodology changes intended to boost the publics started with the 2018 rankings where they added in the first set of 'social mobility' criteria. It has become continually worse as they reduced then eliminated acceptance rates, reduced weighting of standardized tests, etc.

Absolutely, they went off the deep end with the last change. They're trying theor.best to pump up.publics but tue best they can get them to is 15. Which won't last as they're test blind, which will affect their 6yr graduation rates eventually.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

And you see how dumb that is? There are way, way more than 25 excellent universities in this huge country where, on average, over 2.4 million first-year students enter college every year.

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Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

Emory? lol no

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/emory-university-1564
Currently ranked 24
https://www.aronfrishberg.com/projects/usnehas historically been ranked higher than UVA for 30 years.

The second link is broken, here's another.
UVA was ranked as low as 28 in 2020. Emory has never been ranked lower than 24. UVA is T30, Emory is T20/25. UVA rose because of the methodology changes that started in 2021.
https://publicuniversityhonors.com/us-news-rankings-2025-which-universities-have-gained-or-lost-the-most-since-2018/

No, it didn’t. It was ranked 23 in 2015, then 26, 24, 25, 25 before 28 in 2020. Your 28 is cherry-picked. Its ranking has been incredibly consistent for a decade.

I am not cherry picking. You and others decided to cherry pick Emory out of a "undisputed list" of T25 schools when Emory was ranked 20 in 2022, and 24 today, its lowest rank. Yet UVAs highest ranks before the methodology changes was 25 and 24 today, ranked as low as 28. Yet UVA is T25, and Emory isnt??? Yea im on to you.

+1 the methodology changes actually started in 2023, Emory would probably still be ranked 20 if it didn't change, while UVA 25-28. Also those changes that helped public schools and hurt privates won't last in the trump era, especially if they get rid of the Department of Education. Thats where US news gets all it's pell grant data.

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The methodology changes intended to boost the publics started with the 2018 rankings where they added in the first set of 'social mobility' criteria. It has become continually worse as they reduced then eliminated acceptance rates, reduced weighting of standardized tests, etc.

Absolutely, they went off the deep end with the last change. They're trying theor.best to pump up.publics but tue best they can get them to is 15. Which won't last as they're test blind, which will affect their 6yr graduation rates eventually.

The harmful changes in methodology were all driven by a desperate desire to cling to DEI over facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Average US News rank 1996-2025. (The USNWR list was greatly expanded in 1996.)

1.2 Princeton University
1.8 Harvard University
3.0 Yale University
4.7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4.8 Stanford University
6.8 University of Pennsylvania
7.5 California Institute of Technology
7.5 Duke University
7.8 Columbia University
8.6 University of Chicago
10.6 Dartmouth College
11.1 Northwestern University
12.0 Johns Hopkins University
13.7 Brown University
13.9 Cornell University
15.2 Washington University in St. Louis
16.3 Rice University
17.6 Vanderbilt University
18.2 University of Notre Dame
19.3 Emory University
21.0 University of California-Berkeley
22.2 Georgetown University
23.3 Carnegie Mellon University
23.5 University of Virginia
23.5 University of California-Los Angeles
25.4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
28.0 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28.3 Tufts University
28.6 Wake Forest University
28.9 University of Southern California
32.6 New York University
34.2 University of Rochester
34.5 College of William and Mary
35.3 Brandeis University
35.4 University of California-San Diego
35.5 Boston College
37.3 Georgia Institute of Technology
38.7 University of Wisconsin-Madison
39.2 Case Western Reserve University
40.0 Lehigh University
40.5 University of California-Davis
40.8 University of California-Irvine
42.1 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
45.7 Tulane University

If a college is missing, it wasn't included in the rankings some of 1996-2025.

It would be more interesting to see the average over the last 10 years. 30 years is a long time and some on this list are hangers on (Wake, Tulane) from a previous era.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Average US News rank 1996-2025. (The USNWR list was greatly expanded in 1996.)

1.2 Princeton University
1.8 Harvard University
3.0 Yale University
4.7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4.8 Stanford University
6.8 University of Pennsylvania
7.5 California Institute of Technology
7.5 Duke University
7.8 Columbia University
8.6 University of Chicago
10.6 Dartmouth College
11.1 Northwestern University
12.0 Johns Hopkins University
13.7 Brown University
13.9 Cornell University
15.2 Washington University in St. Louis
16.3 Rice University
17.6 Vanderbilt University
18.2 University of Notre Dame
19.3 Emory University
21.0 University of California-Berkeley
22.2 Georgetown University
23.3 Carnegie Mellon University
23.5 University of Virginia
23.5 University of California-Los Angeles
25.4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
28.0 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28.3 Tufts University
28.6 Wake Forest University
28.9 University of Southern California
32.6 New York University
34.2 University of Rochester
34.5 College of William and Mary
35.3 Brandeis University
35.4 University of California-San Diego
35.5 Boston College
37.3 Georgia Institute of Technology
38.7 University of Wisconsin-Madison
39.2 Case Western Reserve University
40.0 Lehigh University
40.5 University of California-Davis
40.8 University of California-Irvine
42.1 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
45.7 Tulane University

If a college is missing, it wasn't included in the rankings some of 1996-2025.

This is perfect! Agree with it fully. Interesting that the T15 may shuffle a bit but the group is the same

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Anonymous wrote:Average US News rank 1996-2025. (The USNWR list was greatly expanded in 1996.)

1.2 Princeton University
1.8 Harvard University
3.0 Yale University
4.7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4.8 Stanford University
6.8 University of Pennsylvania
7.5 California Institute of Technology
7.5 Duke University
7.8 Columbia University
8.6 University of Chicago
10.6 Dartmouth College
11.1 Northwestern University
12.0 Johns Hopkins University
13.7 Brown University
13.9 Cornell University
15.2 Washington University in St. Louis
16.3 Rice University
17.6 Vanderbilt University
18.2 University of Notre Dame
19.3 Emory University
21.0 University of California-Berkeley
22.2 Georgetown University
23.3 Carnegie Mellon University
23.5 University of Virginia
23.5 University of California-Los Angeles
25.4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
28.0 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28.3 Tufts University
28.6 Wake Forest University
28.9 University of Southern California
32.6 New York University
34.2 University of Rochester
34.5 College of William and Mary
35.3 Brandeis University
35.4 University of California-San Diego
35.5 Boston College
37.3 Georgia Institute of Technology
38.7 University of Wisconsin-Madison
39.2 Case Western Reserve University
40.0 Lehigh University
40.5 University of California-Davis
40.8 University of California-Irvine
42.1 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
45.7 Tulane University

If a college is missing, it wasn't included in the rankings some of 1996-2025.

It would be more interesting to see the average over the last 10 years. 30 years is a long time and some on this list are hangers on (Wake, Tulane) from a previous era.

Wake was top25 as recently as 2020/2021 so no it is not a hanger-on from a different era

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Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

Emory? lol no

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/emory-university-1564
Currently ranked 24
https://www.aronfrishberg.com/projects/usnehas historically been ranked higher than UVA for 30 years.

The second link is broken, here's another.
UVA was ranked as low as 28 in 2020. Emory has never been ranked lower than 24. UVA is T30, Emory is T20/25. UVA rose because of the methodology changes that started in 2021.
https://publicuniversityhonors.com/us-news-rankings-2025-which-universities-have-gained-or-lost-the-most-since-2018/

No, it didn’t. It was ranked 23 in 2015, then 26, 24, 25, 25 before 28 in 2020. Your 28 is cherry-picked. Its ranking has been incredibly consistent for a decade.

I am not cherry picking. You and others decided to cherry pick Emory out of a "undisputed list" of T25 schools when Emory was ranked 20 in 2022, and 24 today, its lowest rank. Yet UVAs highest ranks before the methodology changes was 25 and 24 today, ranked as low as 28. Yet UVA is T25, and Emory isnt??? Yea im on to you.

+1 the methodology changes actually started in 2023, Emory would probably still be ranked 20 if it didn't change, while UVA 25-28. Also those changes that helped public schools and hurt privates won't last in the trump era, especially if they get rid of the Department of Education. Thats where US news gets all it's pell grant data.

+100

The methodology changes intended to boost the publics started with the 2018 rankings where they added in the first set of 'social mobility' criteria. It has become continually worse as they reduced then eliminated acceptance rates, reduced weighting of standardized tests, etc.

Absolutely, they went off the deep end with the last change. They're trying theor.best to pump up.publics but tue best they can get them to is 15. Which won't last as they're test blind, which will affect their 6yr graduation rates eventually.

The harmful changes in methodology were all driven by a desperate desire to cling to DEI over facts.

Harmful? Who is harmed by the silly meaningless ranking game?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Average US News rank 1996-2025. (The USNWR list was greatly expanded in 1996.)

1.2 Princeton University
1.8 Harvard University
3.0 Yale University
4.7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4.8 Stanford University
6.8 University of Pennsylvania
7.5 California Institute of Technology
7.5 Duke University
7.8 Columbia University
8.6 University of Chicago
10.6 Dartmouth College
11.1 Northwestern University
12.0 Johns Hopkins University
13.7 Brown University
13.9 Cornell University
15.2 Washington University in St. Louis
16.3 Rice University
17.6 Vanderbilt University
18.2 University of Notre Dame
19.3 Emory University
21.0 University of California-Berkeley
22.2 Georgetown University
23.3 Carnegie Mellon University
23.5 University of Virginia
23.5 University of California-Los Angeles
25.4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
28.0 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28.3 Tufts University
28.6 Wake Forest University
28.9 University of Southern California
32.6 New York University
34.2 University of Rochester
34.5 College of William and Mary
35.3 Brandeis University
35.4 University of California-San Diego
35.5 Boston College
37.3 Georgia Institute of Technology
38.7 University of Wisconsin-Madison
39.2 Case Western Reserve University
40.0 Lehigh University
40.5 University of California-Davis
40.8 University of California-Irvine
42.1 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
45.7 Tulane University

If a college is missing, it wasn't included in the rankings some of 1996-2025.

Wow. Did you calculate by hand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average US News rank 1996-2025. (The USNWR list was greatly expanded in 1996.)

1.2 Princeton University
1.8 Harvard University
3.0 Yale University
4.7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4.8 Stanford University
6.8 University of Pennsylvania
7.5 California Institute of Technology
7.5 Duke University
7.8 Columbia University
8.6 University of Chicago
10.6 Dartmouth College
11.1 Northwestern University
12.0 Johns Hopkins University
13.7 Brown University
13.9 Cornell University
15.2 Washington University in St. Louis
16.3 Rice University
17.6 Vanderbilt University
18.2 University of Notre Dame
19.3 Emory University
21.0 University of California-Berkeley
22.2 Georgetown University
23.3 Carnegie Mellon University
23.5 University of Virginia
23.5 University of California-Los Angeles
25.4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
28.0 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28.3 Tufts University
28.6 Wake Forest University
28.9 University of Southern California
32.6 New York University
34.2 University of Rochester
34.5 College of William and Mary
35.3 Brandeis University
35.4 University of California-San Diego
35.5 Boston College
37.3 Georgia Institute of Technology
38.7 University of Wisconsin-Madison
39.2 Case Western Reserve University
40.0 Lehigh University
40.5 University of California-Davis
40.8 University of California-Irvine
42.1 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
45.7 Tulane University

If a college is missing, it wasn't included in the rankings some of 1996-2025.

Wow. Did you calculate by hand?

I did the calculation but not the data entry. The data is on github somewhere. Sorry that I don't have the link.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

And you see how dumb that is? There are way, way more than 25 excellent universities in this huge country where, on average, over 2.4 million first-year students enter college every year.

It's not.dumb at all if DCUM members were intellectually honest. It has a knack for disrespecting Emory and a few others schools for the sake of UVa, Georgetown, Umich etc when they're ranked the same currently and historically Emory is ranked higher. That doesn't even include global rankings or even parchment where Emory does better to much better. We all know why the sentiment against Emory exists. If it wasn't in Atlanta it wouldn't be treated that way. Thats all I'll say.

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Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

Emory? lol no

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/emory-university-1564
Currently ranked 24
https://www.aronfrishberg.com/projects/usnehas historically been ranked higher than UVA for 30 years.

The second link is broken, here's another.
UVA was ranked as low as 28 in 2020. Emory has never been ranked lower than 24. UVA is T30, Emory is T20/25. UVA rose because of the methodology changes that started in 2021.
https://publicuniversityhonors.com/us-news-rankings-2025-which-universities-have-gained-or-lost-the-most-since-2018/

No, it didn’t. It was ranked 23 in 2015, then 26, 24, 25, 25 before 28 in 2020. Your 28 is cherry-picked. Its ranking has been incredibly consistent for a decade.

I am not cherry picking. You and others decided to cherry pick Emory out of a "undisputed list" of T25 schools when Emory was ranked 20 in 2022, and 24 today, its lowest rank. Yet UVAs highest ranks before the methodology changes was 25 and 24 today, ranked as low as 28. Yet UVA is T25, and Emory isnt??? Yea im on to you.

+1 the methodology changes actually started in 2023, Emory would probably still be ranked 20 if it didn't change, while UVA 25-28. Also those changes that helped public schools and hurt privates won't last in the trump era, especially if they get rid of the Department of Education. Thats where US news gets all it's pell grant data.

+100

The methodology changes intended to boost the publics started with the 2018 rankings where they added in the first set of 'social mobility' criteria. It has become continually worse as they reduced then eliminated acceptance rates, reduced weighting of standardized tests, etc.

Absolutely, they went off the deep end with the last change. They're trying theor.best to pump up.publics but tue best they can get them to is 15. Which won't last as they're test blind, which will affect their 6yr graduation rates eventually.

The harmful changes in methodology were all driven by a desperate desire to cling to DEI over facts.

Harmful? Who is harmed by the silly meaningless ranking game?

These pathetic people and their sense of pride based on where they went to undergrad decades ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

And you see how dumb that is? There are way, way more than 25 excellent universities in this huge country where, on average, over 2.4 million first-year students enter college every year.

It's not.dumb at all if DCUM members were intellectually honest. It has a knack for disrespecting Emory and a few others schools for the sake of UVa, Georgetown, Umich etc when they're ranked the same currently and historically Emory is ranked higher. That doesn't even include global rankings or even parchment where Emory does better to much better. We all know why the sentiment against Emory exists. If it wasn't in Atlanta it wouldn't be treated that way. Thats all I'll say.

Emory does get bashed quite a bit on this forum. It’s Southern, it doesn’t have big-time sports, it’s seen as an Ivy reject school for kids from the Northeast, and there aren’t a lot of “household name” famous people who have gone to Emory. It is what it is…unfortunately, some people can’t look past those things to appreciate what it does offer.

[Anonymous]

Something like a University of California-Irvine or UC-Merced or University of Georgia are the new top 25's.

The UVA, WashU, Georgetowns of the world are in decline.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

And you see how dumb that is? There are way, way more than 25 excellent universities in this huge country where, on average, over 2.4 million first-year students enter college every year.

It's not.dumb at all if DCUM members were intellectually honest. It has a knack for disrespecting Emory and a few others schools for the sake of UVa, Georgetown, Umich etc when they're ranked the same currently and historically Emory is ranked higher. That doesn't even include global rankings or even parchment where Emory does better to much better. We all know why the sentiment against Emory exists. If it wasn't in Atlanta it wouldn't be treated that way. Thats all I'll say.

Emory does get bashed quite a bit on this forum. It’s Southern, it doesn’t have big-time sports, it’s seen as an Ivy reject school for kids from the Northeast, and there aren’t a lot of “household name” famous people who have gone to Emory. It is what it is…unfortunately, some people can’t look past those things to appreciate what it does offer.

Those other schools are also ivy rejects, and Kenneth Cole, Newt Gingrich, Scooter Brawn, are household names. Does WashU have household names? Just curious.