When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?

[Anonymous]

I know the obvious ones-- Ivies, Stanford, MIT. But what are the other schools typically? What schools are top 25 but not top 20?

[Anonymous]

I think people are referring to US News list

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know the obvious ones-- Ivies, Stanford, MIT. But what are the other schools typically? What schools are top 25 but not top 20?

There are 50 schools that could sit on that list depending on the selection criteria. There is no top school, top 10, etc.

[Anonymous]

This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

You may be correct…but it’s whatever USNews ranks as top 25.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

There are no large public’s in the top 25 schools. USNWR adjusted the ranking criteria to make some float to the top.

For undergraduate education SLACs are better than any of these schools outside of engineering/CS.

[Anonymous]

Also, why do people say T40? It feels like an arbitrary cutoff, but I see it more than T30 or T60, so there must be some reason, right?

(Totally just curious. Don’t know or care what the schools DC applied to are ranked.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

Not sure if you left off Emory on purpose or by accident but UVA was ranked 26 2-3 years ago. Emory has always been T25, usually T20. Also more students choose Emory over UVa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

There are no large public’s in the top 25 schools. USNWR adjusted the ranking criteria to make some float to the top.

For undergraduate education SLACs are better than any of these schools outside of engineering/CS.

Only the top 5 SLACs seem worth it. When ranked against national universities, you have Williams at 18 and the other 4 in the top 30…and then they drop off a cliff.

[Anonymous]

obviousky US News & World report which has been the gold standard since 1984. Ask any college counselor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

Not sure if you left off Emory on purpose or by accident but UVA was ranked 26 2-3 years ago. Emory has always been T25, usually T20. Also more students choose Emory over UVa.

Right! uva and the other publics increased because of the methodology changes. Uva was not T25 before, Emory has always been.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

Not sure if you left off Emory on purpose or by accident but UVA was ranked 26 2-3 years ago. Emory has always been T25, usually T20. Also more students choose Emory over UVa.

Right! uva and the other publics increased because of the methodology changes. Uva was not T25 before, Emory has always been.

Actually UVA has always been T25 for all universities and T2, T3 and T4 for best public in the USA for the last decade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.

Not sure if you left off Emory on purpose or by accident but UVA was ranked 26 2-3 years ago. Emory has always been T25, usually T20. Also more students choose Emory over UVa.

Right! uva and the other publics increased because of the methodology changes. Uva was not T25 before, Emory has always been.

Actually UVA has always been T25 for all universities and T2, T3 and T4 for best public in the USA for the last decade

No it was not, it was 26 in 2020, and 21.

[Anonymous]

These are the 30 universities that make up the top 20

MIT
Stanford
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Penn
Duke
Northwestern
Cornell
Vanderbilt
Dartmouth
Chicago
Rice
CalTech
Brown
Columbia
Johns Hopkins
Notre Dame
Michigan
Berkeley
Georgetown
UVA
UCLA
Emory
Texas
Carnegie Mellon
WashU
USC
NYU
Georgia Tech

Some people also include LACs and service academies. Those would include

West Point
Annapolis
Williams
Pomona
Amherst
Swarthmore
Harvey Mudd
Bowdoin
Claremont McKenna
Air Force

Collectively, these are the 40 colleges that constitute the top 20