Tysons Corner Casino -- Foregone Conclusion Now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m opposed to the casino in NOVA or anywhere the community opposes it in ROVA.

If it does land in Fairfax county, it better darn we’ll be used to defray our taxes — and not in the phony way where we pay the same or higher taxes while politicians claim we are saving money with a casino. I’d also want a critical amount of casino profits taken as taxes to offset the associated health and law enforcement costs. Casinos here should not be privately owned.

How do Native American tribes handle casino profits/recenue on reservation land?

The smart tribes do revenue sharing. Most members get a few thousand a month of the proceeds. A few tribes actually get eye-popping amounts. The money makes it a lot easier to deal with the negatives of gaming.

Don't think for a second that FFX would do the same. You'll only get the negatives while someone else gets the benefits.

[Anonymous]

Walked into a casino recently. Mostly giant touchscreens now. I didnt even see the point of going for anyone. Some table games, but so weird. I can see table games dying over time. People love the big screens and dopamine hits. Food looked good though. So, many retirees losing so much money.

[Anonymous]

Update from the Patch:

https://patch.com/virginia/herndon/s/j3tfl/tysons-casino-tramples-neighborhoods-ignores-residents-opponents?utm_source=local-update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert

Reading between the lines, this casino is going to be pushed through no matter what residents want. Such a shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update from the Patch:

https://patch.com/virginia/herndon/s/j3tfl/tysons-casino-tramples-neighborhoods-ignores-residents-opponents?utm_source=local-update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert

Reading between the lines, this casino is going to be pushed through no matter what residents want. Such a shame.

Nope. Not going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In a couple of days, some support articles should mention schooling funding, public transport, and threats of higher taxes unless the casino is built.

Then the why does this thing keep springing up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update from the Patch:

https://patch.com/virginia/herndon/s/j3tfl/tysons-casino-tramples-neighborhoods-ignores-residents-opponents?utm_source=local-update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert

Reading between the lines, this casino is going to be pushed through no matter what residents want. Such a shame.

Nope. Not going to happen.

Unless Alexandria wants to build it in Potomac Yards, you should start seeing articles for that shortly. You want Fairfax County and Alexandria to bid against each other for the tax revenue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There seem to be 2 types of casinos. The more upscale ones with nice restaurants, shows, and gaming that are more entertainment destinations for the evening. And the very simple gaming casinos that cater more to the crowd that is trying to turn their monthly govt stipend into something more.

An upscale entertainment casino in Tysons would be fun. A gaming only casino would not be a nice addition to the area.

You don't need an entertainment area in Tysons because you have Capital One Hall right there at the Tysons exit. It has concerts and broadway shows on tour plus a hotel on top. It is a very nice venue.

THIS. I've been amazed at how little I've seen this argument against the "But it'll have concerts!" crap being spouted regarding a Tysons casino. A casino would be just across the Beltway from an already established entertainment venue, Capital One, which seems to be doing just fine selling out a lot of shows. The idea athat we "need" a concert/show venue in Tysons is an ill-informed idea.

[Anonymous]

The Democrats in Fairfax - between the likes of Scott Surovell, who is just a despicable person, and the crazies on the School Board - are doing everything in their power to make Fairfax purple enough to keep flipping state elections to the Republicans.

If my local Democratic reps don't go after Surovell hard then I don't care if they claim to oppose the casino legislation and location in Tysons. I'll just assume their opposition is Kabuki theatre and do everything I can to support their Republican opponents in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the casino backers spend enough money, they are likely to get Marsan’s through the State Senate to Fairfax residents for a vote. Unlike federal campaign finance laws, which make it illegal for candidates to use excess campaign contributions for personal enrichment, there aren’t the same prohibitions against that at the VA state government level.

Moreover, a casino in Tyson’s is arguably in the “best interests” of Richmond and the southern part of the state. Under Virginia state law, casino revenues are heavily taxed but 70% to 80% of the tax revenues from the casino and all associated amenities (hotel, performance venue, convention center, etc.) go to the State treasury rather than the county/local government. So casinos subside state government functions but don’t provide much funding for county/municipal services. The State Senators who vote for it will be voting to make NOVA an ATM for government services elsewhere in Virginia.

Classic downstate vs. NOVA move. Richmond gets the money, Fairfax County residents get shafted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What would be so bad about having a casino in Tysons?

Casinos are ratchet AF. Brings a sleazy & tacky crowd. I hate going to concerts at MGM in Maryland because the casino crowd is just messy, the parking garage is a zoo, and there’s a ton of crime issues (drunken brawls, shootings, domestic fights, etc)

It’s not that bad or you wouldn’t have gone to concerts—plural—at the MGM.

I like the MGM. It’s fun. I saw Cher there and it was an amazing night. I think the casino itself is nice—no smoking, lots of security. Now, I don’t go on the floor at midnight on a Saturday or anything like that. But a little gaming, a nice dinner at Voltaggio, a concert, I’m in. The lobby is beautiful with the seasonal artistic displays.

That said, not all casinos are that nice. I went to Maryland Live for a concert, and it’s not anywhere near as nice as the MGM. I didn’t linger.

The MGM in PG County has gotten super gross. I live across the river in Alexandria and we used to go over there all the time to eat (the Shake Shack, when Jose Andres had a restaurant and more recently to the asian restaurant). I have also seen a few concerts there and I loved how close it was to my house and that the parking was free (saw Britney Spears and Bruno Mars there). In the last few years that entire area has exponentially declined and the MGM has gone down along with it. The parking lot is full of people smoking pot and with arguing/screaming with each other or with someone on their cell on speaker, nasty people roaming the mezzanine/corrider outside the casino floor which you must walk through to get anywhere, same people from parking lot on the terrace by the food court getting high and screaming on their phones, people who don't GAF and smoke/vape their pot inside the building, security escorting people from the floor to outside (and usually this is highly charged situation where the person is not going willingly so there are several security people vs the 1 person being removed and they're literally lifting the person off the ground and walking them outside), or even the creme de la creme when we say someone who had robbed the floor (grabbed chips) and was running out past the Asian restaurant (in the lobby areas that is often decorated where people take photos) to a get away car that was right at that exit (which isn't to the parking garage, you can drive right up to it) in the middle of a weekend afternoon.

I won't get started on the people that win big at the casino that then get followed home from the parking lot AND ROBBED when they get home.

In other words, a day that ends in "y" in PG.

[Anonymous]

No way the tech companies in Tysons much less the residents of Great Falls and McLean are going to let this happen.

[Anonymous]

Urge Youngkin to veto it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seem to be 2 types of casinos. The more upscale ones with nice restaurants, shows, and gaming that are more entertainment destinations for the evening. And the very simple gaming casinos that cater more to the crowd that is trying to turn their monthly govt stipend into something more.

An upscale entertainment casino in Tysons would be fun. A gaming only casino would not be a nice addition to the area.

You don't need an entertainment area in Tysons because you have Capital One Hall right there at the Tysons exit. It has concerts and broadway shows on tour plus a hotel on top. It is a very nice venue.

THIS. I've been amazed at how little I've seen this argument against the "But it'll have concerts!" crap being spouted regarding a Tysons casino. A casino would be just across the Beltway from an already established entertainment venue, Capital One, which seems to be doing just fine selling out a lot of shows. The idea athat we "need" a concert/show venue in Tysons is an ill-informed idea.

Let's not forget Wolf trap, which has been around much longer than Capital One, and has winter performances at The Barns. Between this and Capital One, the area doesn't need a cheesy casino venue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seem to be 2 types of casinos. The more upscale ones with nice restaurants, shows, and gaming that are more entertainment destinations for the evening. And the very simple gaming casinos that cater more to the crowd that is trying to turn their monthly govt stipend into something more.

An upscale entertainment casino in Tysons would be fun. A gaming only casino would not be a nice addition to the area.

You don't need an entertainment area in Tysons because you have Capital One Hall right there at the Tysons exit. It has concerts and broadway shows on tour plus a hotel on top. It is a very nice venue.

THIS. I've been amazed at how little I've seen this argument against the "But it'll have concerts!" crap being spouted regarding a Tysons casino. A casino would be just across the Beltway from an already established entertainment venue, Capital One, which seems to be doing just fine selling out a lot of shows. The idea athat we "need" a concert/show venue in Tysons is an ill-informed idea.

There's also Wolf Trap less than 20 minutes away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No way the tech companies in Tysons much less the residents of Great Falls and McLean are going to let this happen.

There's a lot of grass roots opposition (and seemingly no grass roots support) but the casino industry and the unions are in support of it. If it's not killed at the state level then the casino industry and the unions can pour huge dollars into a pro-casino campaign targeting FFX Co. voters as it will go to a referendum in November.

If you are a FFX Co. resident, please take some time and write your representatives - lots of resources here:

https://nocasinocoalition.org/

The subcommittee vote is on Monday - there's a trip to Richmond if anyone wants to go:

https://nocasinocoalition.org/take-action