Doctors, hospitals and abortions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I reported the first comments about this because the fact that most OBgyns do not perform elective abortions is completely off-topic for this thread. OBGyns at a hospital presented with a woman in septic shock need to perform a D&C, and this woman DIED because they took 20 hours to do so. There will be a septic abortion ward like there was in 1960s at every hospital in half the states in this country if we keep going like this.

I think it's actually relevant. The vast majority don't perform them because of external factors - bans, facility/practice restrictions, legal and safety concerns, and not having proper training.

All of that leads to less access, delayed treatment, fewer positive patient outcomes, and increased maternal mortality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

My DD is a young adult (late 20s). She is engaged to be married. She told her fiancé that she will not be moving to a red state while they are trying to start a family. They took the jobs in Ma vs Tx for that reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me how refusing to care for a woman for fear of repercussions due to new GOP anti abortion laws doesn't mean doctors will be sued for letting this woman die by not intervening to save her? The woman was septic and the OB was notified of it but nothing was done for hours. I understand GOP are at fault for creating this situation obviously, but trying to understand how a doctor weighs legal repercussions from the new law as more important than legal repercussions from failure to treat this woman and essentially killing her by delaying care.

https://www.newsweek.com/amber-thurman-preventable-abortion-death-georgia-1954945

Let's see - jail for performing and abortion or my medical malpractice insurer covers my defense if I roll the dice and the patient dies.

Not a difficult analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

NO. IT IS BECAUSE DOCTORS CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ASSISTING JN AN ABORTION.

MISCARRIAGES SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

SOMETIMES DOCTORS ARE PRESENTED WITH AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

MANY MANY OTHER THINGS CAN GO WRONG IN PREGNANCY AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHAT THE CAUSE IS.

DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?!?

Different poster, but what I don't understand about this specific case is they KNEW they needed to intervene, and delayed. It was clear cut intervention, and fast intervention, was needed, or she would die. They decided to not intervene until later, and she died. Meanwhile GOP could still prosecute because they did intervene.

That's what exception for "life of the mother" means in practice - it means the doctors have to intentionally wait and wait and wait until the woman is septic, coding, organs damaged and failing, basically about to die. Everyone knows what intervention and care is needed but you literally don't do it and take a gamble on when the last possible moment is.

It's the opposite of normal medical care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

NO. IT IS BECAUSE DOCTORS CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ASSISTING JN AN ABORTION.

MISCARRIAGES SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

SOMETIMES DOCTORS ARE PRESENTED WITH AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

MANY MANY OTHER THINGS CAN GO WRONG IN PREGNANCY AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHAT THE CAUSE IS.

DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?!?

Different poster, but what I don't understand about this specific case is they KNEW they needed to intervene, and delayed. It was clear cut intervention, and fast intervention, was needed, or she would die. They decided to not intervene until later, and she died. Meanwhile GOP could still prosecute because they did intervene.

That's what exception for "life of the mother" means in practice - it means the doctors have to intentionally wait and wait and wait until the woman is septic, coding, organs damaged and failing, basically about to die. Everyone knows what intervention and care is needed but you literally don't do it and take a gamble on when the last possible moment is.

It's the opposite of normal medical care.

+1 That’s the difference between a state that has a ban with exceptions for the life or the health of the mother, vs. a state with a ban with exceptions for only the life of the mother. The decisions involved get really grisly, which is why you have women sent out of hospitals to get much worse at home, at work, or in parking lots before they can get care. For more if you can stomach it, read up on the oral arguments in the Idaho vs. U.S. EMTALA Supreme Court case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

I think they would be wise to consider it. My senior in high school isn't considering college in red states. And even though I have deep roots in Texas and my spouse wants to move back I won't do it. I won't move to a state where my daughters would be afraid to visit me if they were pregnant. Maybe that sounds crazy to some people, but I take this seriously. I had a life threatening pregnancy where neither my or my baby's survival was guaranteed. These things happen. They can happen to you or someone you love.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which goes back to the question. What the hell can Democrats do at this point to fix any of it?

Dems won’t do anything at any point as they’re only focused on their own agenda which clearly isn’t this. Believe me when i say they won’t do anything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

I think they would be wise to consider it. My senior in high school isn't considering college in red states. And even though I have deep roots in Texas and my spouse wants to move back I won't do it. I won't move to a state where my daughters would be afraid to visit me if they were pregnant. Maybe that sounds crazy to some people, but I take this seriously. I had a life threatening pregnancy where neither my or my baby's survival was guaranteed. These things happen. They can happen to you or someone you love.

Simply stay put and don’t move and quit the drama mama, teach your daughter to care for herself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why they didn’t at least get her started on IV antibiotics? At least fight the infection. But yes ultimately the GOP is the root cause.

They did. She was on IV antibiotics and a medication to try to counteract her dangerously low blood pressure. But none of that helps if you don't remove the root cause of the sepsis.

You mean God's precious gift

Hm. That makes God complicit in murder. Don’t think it’s a gift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obgyn-abortion-training-pregnancy-complications-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abortion-training-residency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.