Doctors, hospitals and abortions

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Practicing medicine is also not the same as it used to be. Physicians are told repeatedly -- here and elsewhere, repeatedly -- that there is nothing extraordinary or special about a doctor's job, that they are just like mechanics who work for you, that it's just business.

Many doctors hear you and believe you. It's just a job, nothing special or with extraordinary responsibility. You wouldn't expect a mechanic to risk jail, even a lifelong sentence, to work on your car, would you? That would be crazy.

I have never heard this. What I have heard is criticism of the “god complex”. There’s a TON of space in between “not special” and “god.”

Oh yeah, that too. It's a convincing package. Just a job, not anything special. Go home when the clock strikes five -- if people don't like how you run your business, they can go to another mechanic.

Win-win for everyone.

Ben Carson, is that you? Are you a troll, a narcissist, or both? Because anything less than treating you like a god is an insult. Weird.

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Practicing medicine is also not the same as it used to be. Physicians are told repeatedly -- here and elsewhere, repeatedly -- that there is nothing extraordinary or special about a doctor's job, that they are just like mechanics who work for you, that it's just business.

Many doctors hear you and believe you. It's just a job, nothing special or with extraordinary responsibility. You wouldn't expect a mechanic to risk jail, even a lifelong sentence, to work on your car, would you? That would be crazy.

I have never heard this. What I have heard is criticism of the “god complex”. There’s a TON of space in between “not special” and “god.”

Oh yeah, that too. It's a convincing package. Just a job, not anything special. Go home when the clock strikes five -- if people don't like how you run your business, they can go to another mechanic.

Win-win for everyone.

Do many doctors go into medicine because they want people to fawn all over them? Is their self esteem that delicate?

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

Sounds like misplaced anger. Go talk to that large % of women (and men) in your state who voted R.

Ds in blue states have been trying to prevent this for years, but we can only do so much when other states are electing corrupt POS Rs.

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

Sounds like misplaced anger. Go talk to that large % of women (and men) in your state who voted R.

Ds in blue states have been trying to prevent this for years, but we can only do so much when other states are electing corrupt POS Rs.

How exactly is your blue vote in a blue state helping more than a blue vote in a red state when it comes to red state policies?

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

But blue voters in blue states can't save you. They can't fix this for you. You either have to fix it from within, or leave. What would you do if a tornado or hurricane flattened the place where you live, the place where you live, everything? Because metaphorically, that's where you are (or soon will be) without healthcare.

It's not that people outside feel they are superior. It's that they are appalled by what has happened to you, and they cannot fix it.

If you think other people can fix this, please explain the exact steps to do so. We'd rather that than watch you suffer.

You are missing my point, which was precisely that it is my problem, in my state. It doesn't mean people in other states can flippantly say "you deserve it" to someone who is voting against it and is the victim of it. The callousness and condescension is what's disturbing.

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

But blue voters in blue states can't save you. They can't fix this for you. You either have to fix it from within, or leave. What would you do if a tornado or hurricane flattened the place where you live, the place where you live, everything? Because metaphorically, that's where you are (or soon will be) without healthcare.

It's not that people outside feel they are superior. It's that they are appalled by what has happened to you, and they cannot fix it.

If you think other people can fix this, please explain the exact steps to do so. We'd rather that than watch you suffer.

You are missing my point, which was precisely that it is my problem, in my state. It doesn't mean people in other states can flippantly say "you deserve it" to someone who is voting against it and is the victim of it. The callousness and condescension is what's disturbing.

Liberal here who agrees with you. I’ve lived in a red state and I know how hard it is for dems to win there. They vote straight party ticket for republican no matter what the person stands for and democrats often feel discouraged. People of color are still intimidated to vote.

Please work to get the vote out. If every democrat in red states voted, those states wouldn’t be red.

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

But blue voters in blue states can't save you. They can't fix this for you. You either have to fix it from within, or leave. What would you do if a tornado or hurricane flattened the place where you live, the place where you live, everything? Because metaphorically, that's where you are (or soon will be) without healthcare.

It's not that people outside feel they are superior. It's that they are appalled by what has happened to you, and they cannot fix it.

If you think other people can fix this, please explain the exact steps to do so. We'd rather that than watch you suffer.

You are missing my point, which was precisely that it is my problem, in my state. It doesn't mean people in other states can flippantly say "you deserve it" to someone who is voting against it and is the victim of it. The callousness and condescension is what's disturbing.

I hear you pp. We had family in Houston who watched it become more and more difficult to vote election after election. Little things that weren’t illegal but just put up barriers.

There is frustration in feeling like you don’t have a voice. FWIW blue voters in blue states feel the same about the challenge of the electoral college which negates too many people’s votes.

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

But blue voters in blue states can't save you. They can't fix this for you. You either have to fix it from within, or leave. What would you do if a tornado or hurricane flattened the place where you live, the place where you live, everything? Because metaphorically, that's where you are (or soon will be) without healthcare.

It's not that people outside feel they are superior. It's that they are appalled by what has happened to you, and they cannot fix it.

If you think other people can fix this, please explain the exact steps to do so. We'd rather that than watch you suffer.

You are missing my point, which was precisely that it is my problem, in my state. It doesn't mean people in other states can flippantly say "you deserve it" to someone who is voting against it and is the victim of it. The callousness and condescension is what's disturbing.

I hear you pp. We had family in Houston who watched it become more and more difficult to vote election after election. Little things that weren’t illegal but just put up barriers.

There is frustration in feeling like you don’t have a voice. FWIW blue voters in blue states feel the same about the challenge of the electoral college which negates too many people’s votes.

+1

Waiting outside in line to vote for HOURS.

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Absolutely disgusting that this is where we are as a society.

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

Sounds like misplaced anger. Go talk to that large % of women (and men) in your state who voted R.

Ds in blue states have been trying to prevent this for years, but we can only do so much when other states are electing corrupt POS Rs.

How exactly is your blue vote in a blue state helping more than a blue vote in a red state when it comes to red state policies?

Only at the national level, obviously.

Such as voting for senators who don’t believe lying SCOTUS nominees. Or who support national protections.

Red state congressmen are responsible for losing RvW and a whole bunch of other crap against women.

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

But blue voters in blue states can't save you. They can't fix this for you. You either have to fix it from within, or leave. What would you do if a tornado or hurricane flattened the place where you live, the place where you live, everything? Because metaphorically, that's where you are (or soon will be) without healthcare.

It's not that people outside feel they are superior. It's that they are appalled by what has happened to you, and they cannot fix it.

If you think other people can fix this, please explain the exact steps to do so. We'd rather that than watch you suffer.

You are missing my point, which was precisely that it is my problem, in my state. It doesn't mean people in other states can flippantly say "you deserve it" to someone who is voting against it and is the victim of it. The callousness and condescension is what's disturbing.

Dp. I don’t think any women deserves to be treated like trash. But your problem isn’t blue voters in blue states. Look around - your neighbors are the problem.

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

But blue voters in blue states can't save you. They can't fix this for you. You either have to fix it from within, or leave. What would you do if a tornado or hurricane flattened the place where you live, the place where you live, everything? Because metaphorically, that's where you are (or soon will be) without healthcare.

It's not that people outside feel they are superior. It's that they are appalled by what has happened to you, and they cannot fix it.

If you think other people can fix this, please explain the exact steps to do so. We'd rather that than watch you suffer.

You are missing my point, which was precisely that it is my problem, in my state. It doesn't mean people in other states can flippantly say "you deserve it" to someone who is voting against it and is the victim of it. The callousness and condescension is what's disturbing.

Liberal here who agrees with you. I’ve lived in a red state and I know how hard it is for dems to win there. They vote straight party ticket for republican no matter what the person stands for and democrats often feel discouraged. People of color are still intimidated to vote.

Please work to get the vote out. If every democrat in red states voted, those states wouldn’t be red.

+1

GOTV

I know several people who volunteer in red/purple states to GOTV.

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You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

Many weren't trained in the first place.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article...ii/S0010782413007452
One 2013 survey found that out of 161 physician residency programs across the United States, only half provided abortion training as part of their standard curriculum. (Some programs have “opt-in” option outside of the routine training.)



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ob...ns-report-rcna164479
In states that restrict abortion, some OB-GYN residents have to rely on textbooks in lieu of observing an abortion firsthand or simulate the procedure using a piece of fruit.

“You can tell who has done it and who has learned it from a book,” one residency director said in the report. “There is a gap in how they’d manage patients.”

Lappen said residents who don’t receive sufficient training might not develop expertise about how to manage situations like miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies or may lack the skills to quickly intervene in life-threatening emergencies when an abortion is medically necessary.

“Abortion care can be the fastest way to save someone’s life, and the easiest way to save someone’s life” in certain cases, he said. “That skill set is really, incredibly important and there are parts of the country where it currently is in significant shortage or may not exist.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/health/abo...idency-programs.html
Many medical residency programs that are educating the next generation of obstetricians and gynecologists are facing a treacherous choice.

If they continue to provide abortion training in states where the procedure is now outlawed, they could be prosecuted. If they don’t offer it, they risk losing their accreditation, which in turn would render their residents ineligible to receive specialty board certification and imperil recruitment of faculty and medical students.

This training also involves learning how to do D&Cs. So keep that in mind next time you or someone you know needs a D&C due to incomplete miscarriage, abnormal uterine bleeding, or any other of a number of reasons a D&C might be warranted.
If doctors aren't receiving proper training on these procedures, they also can't care for women who need them for reasons outside of an elective abortion, either.

Should young women plan to have their babies and raise their families in pro choice states? The care and outcomes will be increasingly superior in pro choice states.

DP. My company has another office in TX, and there's absolutely no way I would consider a move there...and I'm in my mid-40s.
This lack of appropriate healthcare will eventually affect ALL women in these states, not just those of childbearing age.

Okay then don’t move, simple as that! Young women would do whatever they please to do

Why the anger? It’s almost like you know you are on the losing side of this.

We’re coming for you in November.

They want abortion banned in every state so that doctors stop fleeing red states because of these laws. It's becoming a real problem for red states to find doctors and everyone (even men) are suffering from lack of care. It's what they deserve TBH

Are they going to pass laws that you cannot leave the country if you have medical training? Because a lot of countries have shortages of doctors right now.

You can't force anyone to live in your state Texas. If you want to attract young docs to your state, allow them to practice modern medicine instead of imposing backwards, draconian, doctor repelling laws.

NP- I am really fed up by people here who think they are superior because they are blue voters in blue states. Guess what? I am a blue voter in a red state, and a woman. There are many of us. Some of us can't leave. and some of us choose to stay and vote to change things. It's very easy staying home safe in blue states with zero skin in the game, ranting about GOP, saying "oh I'd NEVER move there" and absolutely horrific things like "it's what they deserve" when Democrat women in red states exist, and we are both the victims AND the solution, and all too aware of the current situation and danger.

But blue voters in blue states can't save you. They can't fix this for you. You either have to fix it from within, or leave. What would you do if a tornado or hurricane flattened the place where you live, the place where you live, everything? Because metaphorically, that's where you are (or soon will be) without healthcare.

It's not that people outside feel they are superior. It's that they are appalled by what has happened to you, and they cannot fix it.

If you think other people can fix this, please explain the exact steps to do so. We'd rather that than watch you suffer.

You are missing my point, which was precisely that it is my problem, in my state. It doesn't mean people in other states can flippantly say "you deserve it" to someone who is voting against it and is the victim of it. The callousness and condescension is what's disturbing.

I hear you pp. We had family in Houston who watched it become more and more difficult to vote election after election. Little things that weren’t illegal but just put up barriers.

There is frustration in feeling like you don’t have a voice. FWIW blue voters in blue states feel the same about the challenge of the electoral college which negates too many people’s votes.

+1

Waiting outside in line to vote for HOURS.

the lines are there by design...you don't see them in white suburban areas outside of Cleveland or Houston, just the urban areas within these big counties.

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Doctors misdiagnose sepsis often. I can literally think of dozens of cases reported on the local news, none of which occurred in pregnant women but all of which resulted in death. Mostly children, the elderly, and immunocompromized people. It’s not an abortion issue.