Doctors, hospitals and abortions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

NO. IT IS BECAUSE DOCTORS CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ASSISTING JN AN ABORTION.

MISCARRIAGES SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

SOMETIMES DOCTORS ARE PRESENTED WITH AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

MANY MANY OTHER THINGS CAN GO WRONG IN PREGNANCY AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHAT THE CAUSE IS.

DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?!?

Different poster, but what I don't understand about this specific case is they KNEW they needed to intervene, and delayed. It was clear cut intervention, and fast intervention, was needed, or she would die. They decided to not intervene until later, and she died. Meanwhile GOP could still prosecute because they did intervene.

You’re trying to rationalize the thought-process of monsters who want to force cameras into a woman’s “stomach” so she is forced to see the fetus before an abortion. That’s who is making the decisions. Morons in political office thinking babies are carried in the stomach.

No, there is no excuse for the GOP thinking and no rationalization. I am asking why Doctors are rationalizing murdering patients based on GOP rationalization. I understand they don't want to go to jail and that obviously rendering life saving care should not result in a jail sentence. The facts are still the same: They did not render care, knowing their patient would die. It is murder.

Yes, it’s forced birther murder. But doctors cannot be expected to put their whole careers on the line.

Vote blue, up and down ticket, till the damned GOP comes to its senses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

NO. IT IS BECAUSE DOCTORS CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ASSISTING JN AN ABORTION.

MISCARRIAGES SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

SOMETIMES DOCTORS ARE PRESENTED WITH AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

MANY MANY OTHER THINGS CAN GO WRONG IN PREGNANCY AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHAT THE CAUSE IS.

DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?!?

Different poster, but what I don't understand about this specific case is they KNEW they needed to intervene, and delayed. It was clear cut intervention, and fast intervention, was needed, or she would die. They decided to not intervene until later, and she died. Meanwhile GOP could still prosecute because they did intervene.

You’re trying to rationalize the thought-process of monsters who want to force cameras into a woman’s “stomach” so she is forced to see the fetus before an abortion. That’s who is making the decisions. Morons in political office thinking babies are carried in the stomach.

No, there is no excuse for the GOP thinking and no rationalization. I am asking why Doctors are rationalizing murdering patients based on GOP rationalization. I understand they don't want to go to jail and that obviously rendering life saving care should not result in a jail sentence. The facts are still the same: They did not render care, knowing their patient would die. It is murder.

Doctors don’t have crystal balls. They didn’t know she would die.
They had to wait and when you have to wait the patient might die.
The forced birther states know this, they just don’t care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

Different country, but this was the issue with Savita Halapannavar in Ireland. The fallout from her death eventually resulted in Ireland changing its ban on abortions.
If I recall correctly, she suffered premature rupture of membranes prior to 20 weeks and eventually went septic. But, because the fetus still had a heartbeat, doctors would not perform the abortion necessary to save her life.

I assume something similar will happen here in the US eventually...or it already has and just wasn't publicized.

The woman dying aren't white, young, pretty, and Republican... yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

Different country, but this was the issue with Savita Halapannavar in Ireland. The fallout from her death eventually resulted in Ireland changing its ban on abortions.
If I recall correctly, she suffered premature rupture of membranes prior to 20 weeks and eventually went septic. But, because the fetus still had a heartbeat, doctors would not perform the abortion necessary to save her life.

I assume something similar will happen here in the US eventually...or it already has and just wasn't publicized.

The woman dying aren't white, young, pretty, and Republican... yet.

To add... if a Republican lawmaker's wife/daughter/sister dies from not getting healthcare maybe that will help. But otherwise, women dying are jus collateral damage of saving the fetuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

I wonder this too. How can someone who swore an oath actually let a patient die, knowingly? It should be considered homicide.

This is where providers are screwed either way. Once again, the DA who reviews abortion cases that hospitals are required to report, is not a medical expert. So a doctor must weigh how sick a woman is becoming vs. their own risk of losing their license. Red states have made it very clear that they are ready to prosecute any perceived misstep by a physician.

These cases should never be reviewed by anyone other than medical professionals. The government does not have the adequate medical knowledge to determine anything in these cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

Different country, but this was the issue with Savita Halapannavar in Ireland. The fallout from her death eventually resulted in Ireland changing its ban on abortions.
If I recall correctly, she suffered premature rupture of membranes prior to 20 weeks and eventually went septic. But, because the fetus still had a heartbeat, doctors would not perform the abortion necessary to save her life.

I assume something similar will happen here in the US eventually...or it already has and just wasn't publicized.

The woman dying aren't white, young, pretty, and Republican... yet.

To add... if a Republican lawmaker's wife/daughter/sister dies from not getting healthcare maybe that will help. But otherwise, women dying are jus collateral damage of saving the fetuses.

That would never happen. The “pro-life” ones already get abortions for their wives and mistresses. Several examples already.

Access will always be available to hypocritical filth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

NO. IT IS BECAUSE DOCTORS CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ASSISTING JN AN ABORTION.

MISCARRIAGES SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

SOMETIMES DOCTORS ARE PRESENTED WITH AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

MANY MANY OTHER THINGS CAN GO WRONG IN PREGNANCY AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHAT THE CAUSE IS.

DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?!?

Different poster, but what I don't understand about this specific case is they KNEW they needed to intervene, and delayed. It was clear cut intervention, and fast intervention, was needed, or she would die. They decided to not intervene until later, and she died. Meanwhile GOP could still prosecute because they did intervene.

You’re trying to rationalize the thought-process of monsters who want to force cameras into a woman’s “stomach” so she is forced to see the fetus before an abortion. That’s who is making the decisions. Morons in political office thinking babies are carried in the stomach.

No, there is no excuse for the GOP thinking and no rationalization. I am asking why Doctors are rationalizing murdering patients based on GOP rationalization. I understand they don't want to go to jail and that obviously rendering life saving care should not result in a jail sentence. The facts are still the same: They did not render care, knowing their patient would die. It is murder.

Doctors don’t have crystal balls. They didn’t know she would die.
They had to wait and when you have to wait the patient might die.
The forced birther states know this, they just don’t care.

+1 this is the problem.. they have to wait until the patient is literally at death's door before the approved abortion is deemed to "save the life of the mother". Again, these are very subjective words.

Just look at the case in TX as examples of lawyers deeming when an abortion is required or not. Lawyers are the ones making the decisions. The doctors hands are tied because even if they say an abortion is required to save the life of the mother, the lawyer can say, "nope", and the conservative courts will side with the lawyer.

That's why doctors aren't doing anything.

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand why they didn’t at least get her started on IV antibiotics? At least fight the infection. But yes ultimately the GOP is the root cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

I wonder this too. How can someone who swore an oath actually let a patient die, knowingly? It should be considered homicide.

This is where providers are screwed either way. Once again, the DA who reviews abortion cases that hospitals are required to report, is not a medical expert. So a doctor must weigh how sick a woman is becoming vs. their own risk of losing their license. Red states have made it very clear that they are ready to prosecute any perceived misstep by a physician.

These cases should never be reviewed by anyone other than medical professionals. The government does not have the adequate medical knowledge to determine anything in these cases.

Just like state legislators don’t have the adequate medical knowledge to write these laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

NO. IT IS BECAUSE DOCTORS CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ASSISTING JN AN ABORTION.

MISCARRIAGES SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

SOMETIMES DOCTORS ARE PRESENTED WITH AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

MANY MANY OTHER THINGS CAN GO WRONG IN PREGNANCY AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHAT THE CAUSE IS.

DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?!?

Different poster, but what I don't understand about this specific case is they KNEW they needed to intervene, and delayed. It was clear cut intervention, and fast intervention, was needed, or she would die. They decided to not intervene until later, and she died. Meanwhile GOP could still prosecute because they did intervene.

You’re trying to rationalize the thought-process of monsters who want to force cameras into a woman’s “stomach” so she is forced to see the fetus before an abortion. That’s who is making the decisions. Morons in political office thinking babies are carried in the stomach.

No, there is no excuse for the GOP thinking and no rationalization. I am asking why Doctors are rationalizing murdering patients based on GOP rationalization. I understand they don't want to go to jail and that obviously rendering life saving care should not result in a jail sentence. The facts are still the same: They did not render care, knowing their patient would die. It is murder.

Nope. Signed, a nurse. If you don’t want more such deaths, vote blue.

[Anonymous]

Do you have a job? Do you take it seriously, and maybe sacrificed years of your life and lots of money to get this career?

And do you have a spouse, kids, and mortgage?

Now imagine tomorrow, you go to work. There is a situation where if you make an ethically defensible choice, you may be arrested, your family doxxed, your license to practice forever tainted. Where would YOUR priority lie? In a gray area, I expect the physician; to prioritize being there for his or her kids. There will be another sick woman tomorrow, and that one, maybe they’ll be allowed to save.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

NO. IT IS BECAUSE DOCTORS CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ASSISTING JN AN ABORTION.

MISCARRIAGES SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

SOMETIMES DOCTORS ARE PRESENTED WITH AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

MANY MANY OTHER THINGS CAN GO WRONG IN PREGNANCY AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHAT THE CAUSE IS.

DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?!?

Different poster, but what I don't understand about this specific case is they KNEW they needed to intervene, and delayed. It was clear cut intervention, and fast intervention, was needed, or she would die. They decided to not intervene until later, and she died. Meanwhile GOP could still prosecute because they did intervene.

You’re trying to rationalize the thought-process of monsters who want to force cameras into a woman’s “stomach” so she is forced to see the fetus before an abortion. That’s who is making the decisions. Morons in political office thinking babies are carried in the stomach.

No, there is no excuse for the GOP thinking and no rationalization. I am asking why Doctors are rationalizing murdering patients based on GOP rationalization. I understand they don't want to go to jail and that obviously rendering life saving care should not result in a jail sentence. The facts are still the same: They did not render care, knowing their patient would die. It is murder.

Nope. Signed, a nurse. If you don’t want more such deaths, vote blue.

Anyone who cares about this issue is voting blue already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the first of what are likely many similar cases that will end up coming to light.
Investigation into maternal deaths takes time. Some states (i.e., TX) now have a vested interest in not actively pursuing investigations and studies in maternal mortality rates. And some families will be hesitant to come forward publicly about their losses.
Already, there are multiple stories of women who have suffered permanent loss of fertility due to lack of appropriate medical care. At least one or 2 of the women involved in the lawsuit down in TX ended up needing hysterectomies due to hemorrhage and/or sepsis.

This is what is so confusing and infuriating in these cases. Why exactly is the care being delayed? Is it because the fetus still has a heartbeat? Sepsis and hemorrhage are both medical emergencies and time is of the essence. The mother's life is potentially on the line so why would a doctor not take immediate action? Even if the fetus has a heartbeat it won't have one for much longer is no care is provided resulting in the mother's death.

NO. IT IS BECAUSE DOCTORS CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ASSISTING JN AN ABORTION.

MISCARRIAGES SOMETIMES LOOK LIKE AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

SOMETIMES DOCTORS ARE PRESENTED WITH AN UNSUCCESSFUL ABORTION.

MANY MANY OTHER THINGS CAN GO WRONG IN PREGNANCY AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHAT THE CAUSE IS.

DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?!?

Different poster, but what I don't understand about this specific case is they KNEW they needed to intervene, and delayed. It was clear cut intervention, and fast intervention, was needed, or she would die. They decided to not intervene until later, and she died. Meanwhile GOP could still prosecute because they did intervene.

You’re trying to rationalize the thought-process of monsters who want to force cameras into a woman’s “stomach” so she is forced to see the fetus before an abortion. That’s who is making the decisions. Morons in political office thinking babies are carried in the stomach.

No, there is no excuse for the GOP thinking and no rationalization. I am asking why Doctors are rationalizing murdering patients based on GOP rationalization. I understand they don't want to go to jail and that obviously rendering life saving care should not result in a jail sentence. The facts are still the same: They did not render care, knowing their patient would die. It is murder.

Nope. Signed, a nurse. If you don’t want more such deaths, vote blue.

Anyone who cares about this issue is voting blue already.

I can sense in some of these plaintive forced birther whines (not yours; the other posts on this board that are) that they’re very close to grasping the truth: that it’s not about “life,” it’s about gross old men controlling the bodies, and thus the lives, of all women. It doesn’t matter if they think they’re a “good girl” who won’t “need” one of those abortions, they think if push comes to shove, they’ll get the care they need when it’s time for them to have kids.

They need to get to the point of understanding that the contempt for women held by their fellow forced birthers is universal to all women, “good” or “bad” and all women will be well and truly effed if the GOP wins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why they didn’t at least get her started on IV antibiotics? At least fight the infection. But yes ultimately the GOP is the root cause.

Yes. It could happen to you or someone you love.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why they didn’t at least get her started on IV antibiotics? At least fight the infection. But yes ultimately the GOP is the root cause.

Who’s to say they didn’t have her on IV abx? It’s not like sepsis is easy to treat, especially when a large source of infection is rotting away within the body.