Why are kids with problematic behavior left in mainstream classes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Make online school the default and in-person school for the kids who can behave.

This isn't a bad idea. An education is guaranteed but there's nothing that says it has to be in person. If a student's behavior is so unmanageable, their education should occur online.

Yup.

Would this also apply to the horrible bullies that schools currently do nothing about?

this isn't the Beidleman thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Least Restrictive Environment.

Everyone else suffers for it.

This. The schools would rather see the victims leave the school. I know a parent who was very actively engaged and volunteered at the school. Her kid was constantly bullied to the point that even cops were involved. The school did nothing more than a kumbaya circle between the bully and the victim. Victim lashed out and did it again. He got a couple days of suspension but was back at it within a few days. Because the school barely did anything, the victim's mom ended up filing a COSA so that her child could transfer to a different school. How messed up is that? Why does the victim have to be the one inconvenienced by leaving the school? I know of 2 other families with the same situation; 1 got a COSA and 1 left for private school.

What is a COSA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

And the research demonstrating otherwise?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

"Throwing" tables? That's impressive. How high and how far?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

And the research demonstrating otherwise?

Is totally objective and there's no agenda whatsoever

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

"Throwing" tables? That's impressive. How high and how far?

Have you never been in a classroom?

[Anonymous]

I am a parent of such a child. No thanks to the school system, she's never hurt anyone.

They refuse to make classes for these kids.

It is not a funding issue!

It is not a staffing issue!

It's a combination of hoping kids will age out (hence the long delays at every step)

And misplaced concerns about equity.

(My child is white, and I'd be thrilled for them to be in a self contained class with anyone of any color. Don't believe me? Find out how long the waiting list for such classes is in your district.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

"Throwing" tables? That's impressive. How high and how far?

Have you never been in a classroom?

I'd still like to know how high these tables are flying through the air? Do the students ever play catch with them? Any better behaving students ever juggle tables?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

And the research demonstrating otherwise?

Is totally objective and there's no agenda whatsoever

Which definitely doesn't apply to you. So where are your peer-reviewed papers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

And the research demonstrating otherwise?

Feel free to cite a recent, solid source, if you like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

And the research demonstrating otherwise?

Feel free to cite a recent, solid source, if you like.

30 years experience in the classroom. Listen to the people actually in the buildings, doing the work. Research means nothing when these people havent stepped foot in a classroom in years, or usually, ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a parent of such a child. No thanks to the school system, she's never hurt anyone.

They refuse to make classes for these kids.

It is not a funding issue!

It is not a staffing issue!

It's a combination of hoping kids will age out (hence the long delays at every step)

And misplaced concerns about equity.

(My child is white, and I'd be thrilled for them to be in a self contained class with anyone of any color. Don't believe me? Find out how long the waiting list for such classes is in your district.)

How many classes should they make? Self contained classes can have 5-15 students. How many classes that small can be made in a district where schools are already over crowded. Do you expect Gen Ed classes to now hold 50+ kids??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

"Throwing" tables? That's impressive. How high and how far?

My kid was in a class in 4th grade where the student would flip desks over, throw chairs and threw the trash can. Some of these 4th and 5th grade students can be pretty strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Least Restrictive Environment.

Everyone else suffers for it.

This. The schools would rather see the victims leave the school. I know a parent who was very actively engaged and volunteered at the school. Her kid was constantly bullied to the point that even cops were involved. The school did nothing more than a kumbaya circle between the bully and the victim. Victim lashed out and did it again. He got a couple days of suspension but was back at it within a few days. Because the school barely did anything, the victim's mom ended up filing a COSA so that her child could transfer to a different school. How messed up is that? Why does the victim have to be the one inconvenienced by leaving the school? I know of 2 other families with the same situation; 1 got a COSA and 1 left for private school.

What is a COSA?

Change of School Assignment