Why are kids with problematic behavior left in mainstream classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To answer your question: it's for the most superficial reasons imaginable. Because someone is worried that if they have separate resource rooms (and separate honors classes) those classes might not "look like" the rest of the school (i.e. have a equal distribution of racial groups to the school population.) If the schools were homogeneous nobody would care about any of this.

This is completely true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Make online school the default and in-person school for the kids who can behave.

This isn't a bad idea. An education is guaranteed but there's nothing that says it has to be in person. If a student's behavior is so unmanageable, their education should occur online.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Make online school the default and in-person school for the kids who can behave.

This isn't a bad idea. An education is guaranteed but there's nothing that says it has to be in person. If a student's behavior is so unmanageable, their education should occur online.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the last few years, studies have looked at disparate impact rates for student suspensions and expulsions. The solution to the glaringly bad rate of who is getting suspended or expelled is less of both and more “restorative justice” and basically keeping kids in classes to better the stats.

But the studies don't measure the impact and harm on the kids who have to repeatedly absurd the chaos, disruptions and instability to the learning environment.

Avoid? Absorb?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. Parents are in denial that their child has a problem and won't allow it
2. Central office will not allow a placement until you've collected so much data. And then they tell you that you need to collect more. Or that you collected it wrong. Anything to avoid a special placement that costs so much money. The strategy is to delay and deny.
3. There aren't enough special ed teachers now to handle all the pandemic kids, or the special ed kids in general, and you want to add more?
4. Least Restrictive Environment. Every child is to be placed I the Least Restrictive Environment where they can succeed. Oh, they can't succeed in a mainstream class? See 1, 2, and 3 above

All of this, but also: "problematic behaviors" is a really big basket with a lot of causes and therefore requiring many different solutions.

1) Kids who have experienced trauma, and who are acting out in a developmentally normative way based on what they've experienced/witnessed

2) Otherwise typically developing kids who have impulse control issues that they will grow out of

3) Kids with learning differences whose co-diagnoses are going to make impulse control harder in perpetuity

4) Kids whose primary issue is behavioral, who do not otherwise require academic intervention, and who would be very poorly served in a class of kids whose primary challenges are academic

exactly this. and parents are not teaching their kids on how to be accepting and inclusive. they are just raising judgmental brats who would rather look away then build bridges

Uh, no. The “brats” are the ones disrupting all the other kids’ ability to learn, but good try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PUBLIC SCHOOL, people. IF you don't like it pay for private. it's that simple

Uh, no. Many of us went to public school and these kids were suspended or sent to alternative behavioral schools. Bring them back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the last few years, studies have looked at disparate impact rates for student suspensions and expulsions. The solution to the glaringly bad rate of who is getting suspended or expelled is less of both and more “restorative justice” and basically keeping kids in classes to better the stats.

But the studies don't measure the impact and harm on the kids who have to repeatedly absurd the chaos, disruptions and instability to the learning environment.

Avoid? Absorb?

Observe, obvs.

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Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

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Virtual school is the solution for disruptive kids

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

Throwing chairs and tables, not “Play-Doh,” but then, you already knew that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because some people in charge decided that all kids are equal and deserve an equal education.

They aren't and they don't. You'll never change my mind.

DD suffered to the point of us pulling her out of school during 4th grade because of a disruptive and violent student in her class. She had to start seeing a therapist. She was diagnosed with anxiety and PTSD. She was always on edge waiting for the student's next explosive episode. She dreaded any partner activities or even lining up to leave the classroom because she didn't want to be with that student or be next to him in line. He hit the teacher multiple times. He destroyed the classroom three times to the point where the other students had to finish out the day in the library because it was so trashed. One kid pulled out of school around Xmas break after he was hit with a chair the disruptive student threw.

By the end of the school year, parents in the class told me that the kid sat alone and worked alone because all the parents had requested their kids not be grouped with him or sat near him.

DD is in high school now. She'll still freeze up in situations where people are screaming because it makes her flashback to the kid. She used to love going to sporting events but even those triggered her now. She tried going to her HS homecoming game 2 weekends ago and ended up calling me for a ride about 30 minutes in.

You are horrible. Don’t you realize someone out there thinks your child shouldn’t be in a regular school and would love to see her excluded.

No, they don’t. PP’s kid behaves and doesn’t disrupt the class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Make online school the default and in-person school for the kids who can behave.

This isn't a bad idea. An education is guaranteed but there's nothing that says it has to be in person. If a student's behavior is so unmanageable, their education should occur online.

Yup.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

This happens at my school more times than I can count. But to the parent complaining about teaching inclusivity- that’s a load if BS. The kids are subjected to violence, punching, throwing of objects, and verbal aggression, forgive, but it’s hard for them to forget. They are SCARED. Scared to be near the classmate that throws hard objects (like things that can actual cause damage), scared they will get hurt, so you’re saying your violent child matters more than the entire community? This is the most self-absorbed kind of parent and good luck when your child ends up in jail one day. They may get away with these behaviors in elementary but as they get older, it will not be tolerated and once someone really gets hurt, they will face the consequences. If my child were to get hurt by a kid with known problems that the county dismissed, I would file a restraining order immediately and I am surprised more parents have not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make online school the default and in-person school for the kids who can behave.

This isn't a bad idea. An education is guaranteed but there's nothing that says it has to be in person. If a student's behavior is so unmanageable, their education should occur online.

Yup.

Would this also apply to the horrible bullies that schools currently do nothing about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make online school the default and in-person school for the kids who can behave.

This isn't a bad idea. An education is guaranteed but there's nothing that says it has to be in person. If a student's behavior is so unmanageable, their education should occur online.

Yup.

Would this also apply to the horrible bullies that schools currently do nothing about?

Yes.