Why are kids with problematic behavior left in mainstream classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Parents are in denial that their child has a problem and won't allow it
2. Central office will not allow a placement until you've collected so much data. And then they tell you that you need to collect more. Or that you collected it wrong. Anything to avoid a special placement that costs so much money. The strategy is to delay and deny.
3. There aren't enough special ed teachers now to handle all the pandemic kids, or the special ed kids in general, and you want to add more?
4. Least Restrictive Environment. Every child is to be placed I the Least Restrictive Environment where they can succeed. Oh, they can't succeed in a mainstream class? See 1, 2, and 3 above

Do parents have that much control over this? In the past, they sure didn't and it's not like MCPS is all that concerned about parents in other circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's the law.

These type of kids used to be suspended and then if they continued to be a problem they would be in separate special ed classes.

Kids no longer get discipline in school so they can just roam around in the classroom. Separate special ed classes no longer exist.

Taxpayers need to work at changing the laws so that all kids get a peaceful classroom that kids can learn in.

I guess all those threads complaining about suspensions and detentions last Spring were fiction....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Parents are in denial that their child has a problem and won't allow it
2. Central office will not allow a placement until you've collected so much data. And then they tell you that you need to collect more. Or that you collected it wrong. Anything to avoid a special placement that costs so much money. The strategy is to delay and deny.
3. There aren't enough special ed teachers now to handle all the pandemic kids, or the special ed kids in general, and you want to add more?
4. Least Restrictive Environment. Every child is to be placed I the Least Restrictive Environment where they can succeed. Oh, they can't succeed in a mainstream class? See 1, 2, and 3 above

All of this, but also: "problematic behaviors" is a really big basket with a lot of causes and therefore requiring many different solutions.

1) Kids who have experienced trauma, and who are acting out in a developmentally normative way based on what they've experienced/witnessed

2) Otherwise typically developing kids who have impulse control issues that they will grow out of

3) Kids with learning differences whose co-diagnoses are going to make impulse control harder in perpetuity

4) Kids whose primary issue is behavioral, who do not otherwise require academic intervention, and who would be very poorly served in a class of kids whose primary challenges are academic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Least Restrictive Environment.

Everyone else suffers for it.

This. The schools would rather see the victims leave the school. I know a parent who was very actively engaged and volunteered at the school. Her kid was constantly bullied to the point that even cops were involved. The school did nothing more than a kumbaya circle between the bully and the victim. Victim lashed out and did it again. He got a couple days of suspension but was back at it within a few days. Because the school barely did anything, the victim's mom ended up filing a COSA so that her child could transfer to a different school. How messed up is that? Why does the victim have to be the one inconvenienced by leaving the school? I know of 2 other families with the same situation; 1 got a COSA and 1 left for private school.

[Anonymous]

There is a discussion right now in county council about school discipline
https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/player/event/15941?view_id=169&redirect=true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Parents are in denial that their child has a problem and won't allow it
2. Central office will not allow a placement until you've collected so much data. And then they tell you that you need to collect more. Or that you collected it wrong. Anything to avoid a special placement that costs so much money. The strategy is to delay and deny.
3. There aren't enough special ed teachers now to handle all the pandemic kids, or the special ed kids in general, and you want to add more?
4. Least Restrictive Environment. Every child is to be placed I the Least Restrictive Environment where they can succeed. Oh, they can't succeed in a mainstream class? See 1, 2, and 3 above

All of this, but also: "problematic behaviors" is a really big basket with a lot of causes and therefore requiring many different solutions.

1) Kids who have experienced trauma, and who are acting out in a developmentally normative way based on what they've experienced/witnessed

2) Otherwise typically developing kids who have impulse control issues that they will grow out of

3) Kids with learning differences whose co-diagnoses are going to make impulse control harder in perpetuity

4) Kids whose primary issue is behavioral, who do not otherwise require academic intervention, and who would be very poorly served in a class of kids whose primary challenges are academic

exactly this. and parents are not teaching their kids on how to be accepting and inclusive. they are just raising judgmental brats who would rather look away then build bridges

[Anonymous]

PUBLIC SCHOOL, people. IF you don't like it pay for private. it's that simple

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Least Restrictive Environment.

Everyone else suffers for it.

This. The schools would rather see the victims leave the school. I know a parent who was very actively engaged and volunteered at the school. Her kid was constantly bullied to the point that even cops were involved. The school did nothing more than a kumbaya circle between the bully and the victim. Victim lashed out and did it again. He got a couple days of suspension but was back at it within a few days. Because the school barely did anything, the victim's mom ended up filing a COSA so that her child could transfer to a different school. How messed up is that? Why does the victim have to be the one inconvenienced by leaving the school? I know of 2 other families with the same situation; 1 got a COSA and 1 left for private school.

The schools don’t prefer anything of the sort. LRE is a law not a concept invented by MCPS. MCPS just has to figure out how to implement it.

One thing that I didn’t see mentioned here is the fact that the process to get a nonmainstream placement t takes months. It’s not like something happens today and a nes placement can start tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Oh wow, so much truth in that video. Thanks for sharing PP (and I say this as an educator). On a side note, my DD's classroom has a child that threw chairs and wrecked the classroom last week. The kids were taken out of the room. The boy was out of school for a few days and now is back in school but not back in the classroom (my DD told me this). Not sure if this is some form of discipline but I am glad he was not brought right back in.

Anonymous wrote:Here’s your answer OP. This is so freakin’ on point:

https://fb.watch/nRyJ_N5-rL/?mibextid=v7YzmG

[Anonymous]

Don’t worry, you just have to deal with these kids being in the same class as your snowflake in elementary school.

By the time your kid gets to middle school, your child will be in honors classes and won’t see those troublemaking kids anymore (except maybe in the hallway!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's the law.

These type of kids used to be suspended and then if they continued to be a problem they would be in separate special ed classes.

Kids no longer get discipline in school so they can just roam around in the classroom. Separate special ed classes no longer exist.

Taxpayers need to work at changing the laws so that all kids get a peaceful classroom that kids can learn in.

I guess all those threads complaining about suspensions and detentions last Spring were fiction....

My kid has told me about kids that come to class and after attendance, ask to go to the bathroom and never come back. They roam the hallways and vape in the bathrooms. I've even heard of kids smoking pot in bathrooms. I know the HSs have security. I don't really understand how kids can roam the hallways all day and skip classes and not get detention or suspension for vaping and smoking pot. This is at a W school.

[Anonymous]

Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

Well, it’s LRE where the kid can be successful. And if he is throwing chairs he isn’t being successful and need more support, whatever that looks like. But there aren’t more aides, or spots in SpEd classrooms. That’s what we need more of - money for SpEd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

Well, it’s LRE where the kid can be successful. And if he is throwing chairs he isn’t being successful and need more support, whatever that looks like. But there aren’t more aides, or spots in SpEd classrooms. That’s what we need more of - money for SpEd.

No one wants to work in Special education. Would you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry, you just have to deal with these kids being in the same class as your snowflake in elementary school.

By the time your kid gets to middle school, your child will be in honors classes and won’t see those troublemaking kids anymore (except maybe in the hallway!)

There's no more separate honors classes. Many MCPS high schools do "honors for all." AP/IB is the new honors.