Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

Hate to tell you, but I've regularly consumed 1600 calories a day +/- and have gained weight every year since I was 18, I'm in my 40s now. I do not have a big appetite and drink 80-100 oz of water today and do light exercise. That should be enough to at least not gain weight. Only 2 things have worked for me to lose weight: HCG (years ago) and weight loss drugs - Mounjaro and now to a lesser extent, Ozempic (unfortunately had to switch). Even then, I lose slowly compared to some. I've been on weight loss drugs for about 9 months and have lost 40 lbs. I'd like to lose another 80 lbs.

I don't think my situation is as unique as many people assume.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

So much half baked in your thinking. But to start, you can be obese and not be gaining weight….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

So much half baked in your thinking. But to start, you can be obese and not be gaining weight….

But how'd you get there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

The drug pumping is extremely concerning. You just have to wonder.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

So much half baked in your thinking. But to start, you can be obese and not be gaining weight….

But how'd you get there?

Exercise 3-6x a week and a very healthy diet, I’m sure…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

The drug pumping is extremely concerning. You just have to wonder.

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It’s disgusting

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

NP.
“Idiotic/dumb theory” and “scientifically illiterate” is abusive language?

Apparently that PP believes that anything other than fawning validation is “abusive.” 🙄

Ok, so you are completely mentally healthy and have an endocrine disorder which has caused your high weight and bad mood. Enjoy the injections and weight loss.

I don’t need to lose any weight (healthy BMI), I don’t have an endocrine disorder, and I’m very likely more athletic than you. I just hate stupidity. Sorry that bothers you so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

Hate to tell you, but I've regularly consumed 1600 calories a day +/- and have gained weight every year since I was 18, I'm in my 40s now. I do not have a big appetite and drink 80-100 oz of water today and do light exercise. That should be enough to at least not gain weight. Only 2 things have worked for me to lose weight: HCG (years ago) and weight loss drugs - Mounjaro and now to a lesser extent, Ozempic (unfortunately had to switch). Even then, I lose slowly compared to some. I've been on weight loss drugs for about 9 months and have lost 40 lbs. I'd like to lose another 80 lbs.

I don't think my situation is as unique as many people assume.

Are you under 5ft tall?

Really, you ate exactly 1600 calories every day, including snacking, tasting food, all meals out of the house, and including calories in all drinks? Doubtful.

So how many calories are you eating now that you're on Mounjaro, causing you to lose? 800?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

So much half baked in your thinking. But to start, you can be obese and not be gaining weight….

Right, so you're eating enough to maintain your obesity.

But to get there, you still overate.

It doesn't make you a bad person, but those are facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

She is livid when anyone asks anything about these drugs - with the understanding that of course all drugs have side effects and it would be great to stem and reverse the obesity crisis. She’s still nucking futs all day, every day, on this topic.

It’s the same poster that acts like interpreting studies is some sort of gifted intellectual exercise when it isn’t. Anything that can’t be read and understood with a modest amount of background is poorly written. I suspect this poster is like the IT guy from Saturday night live 20 years ago. Likely does not spend time actually interacting with other humans. Definitely not in person.

I suppose it makes you feel better to imagine this, rather than reality, which is that smart people are impatient with the misinformation you continually spout. And I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to interpreting studies but obviously I’m not the only person who rolls their eyes at your posts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

She is livid when anyone asks anything about these drugs - with the understanding that of course all drugs have side effects and it would be great to stem and reverse the obesity crisis. She’s still nucking futs all day, every day, on this topic.

It’s the same poster that acts like interpreting studies is some sort of gifted intellectual exercise when it isn’t. Anything that can’t be read and understood with a modest amount of background is poorly written. I suspect this poster is like the IT guy from Saturday night live 20 years ago. Likely does not spend time actually interacting with other humans. Definitely not in person.

I suppose it makes you feel better to imagine this, rather than reality, which is that smart people are impatient with the misinformation you continually spout. And I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to interpreting studies but obviously I’m not the only person who rolls their eyes at your posts.

Actual “smart people” don’t use phrases like “you don’t understand science” or “the science says…” or “on a population level” in a poor attempt to make themselves feel more informed and “right” about any topic. They don’t need to be the smartest person in the room. You are like the daily show crowd that thinks they are above average because they are informed by cable news.

There is misinformation and disagreement. You have decided everything disagreeable is misinformation. Sort of like Covid, and ridiculous vaccine mandates that have all disappeared. I can only guess where you stand on that nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

Hate to tell you, but I've regularly consumed 1600 calories a day +/- and have gained weight every year since I was 18, I'm in my 40s now. I do not have a big appetite and drink 80-100 oz of water today and do light exercise. That should be enough to at least not gain weight. Only 2 things have worked for me to lose weight: HCG (years ago) and weight loss drugs - Mounjaro and now to a lesser extent, Ozempic (unfortunately had to switch). Even then, I lose slowly compared to some. I've been on weight loss drugs for about 9 months and have lost 40 lbs. I'd like to lose another 80 lbs.

I don't think my situation is as unique as many people assume.

Are you under 5ft tall?

Really, you ate exactly 1600 calories every day, including snacking, tasting food, all meals out of the house, and including calories in all drinks? Doubtful.

So how many calories are you eating now that you're on Mounjaro, causing you to lose? 800?

NP. I had throws cancer so I no longer have a thyroid. I can only stay a healthy weight at 1100cal a day and GLP1s enable me to do this without the extreme torture it is to have to sustain yourself in a low calorie diet. I’m in a thyroid support group and thetr are MANY people who are obese who have PCOS, Hashimotos, Cushing syndrome, people on medications with weight gain as a side effect and people with various thyroid disease.

Many of the people in my group (predominantly women who already receive terrible healthcare as a whole) were dismissed by the medical community the same way you are dismissive of them and it took them years to get a proper diagnosis.

Even if someone is an emotional eater or eats too much due to having a hunger hormone imbalance caused by a wacky pituitary gland there’s absolutely nothing wrong with them taking GLP1s to control that. Obesity is not a moral failing.

Instead of being a raging CU Next Tuesday maybe you should get in your hands and knees and be grateful that you don’t struggle with your own obesity and are so content riding up on your high horse.

[Anonymous]

I’m glad attention is being called to all the potential side effects of these drugs. I believe people are entitled to as much information as possible when putting a new substance into their body.

No doubt many people will choose to take the drug anyway, deciding that a risk of suicidal ideation is outweighed by the greater likelihood they will be and feel healthier, but it is their call to make.

I have a theory that all mental health is tied to the gut, and that some people are reacting very negatively to changes in their gut caused by the gastric emptying action of the GLP1s. Then again, some mental illness drugs cause suicide ideation too. So who knows.