Dmv muslims, what do you think about what’s going on in Hamtramck

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
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Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband grew up in a Muslim family and he still talks about how traumatizing it was to see a lamb sacrificed as a child. I’m a meat eater and still find meat factories traumatizing. Animals to be eaten are generally not treated well.

At least the Muslims got their hands dirty and weren't hypocrites about it.

It’s not even just that. It’s the method.

The animal’s neck is slit, not enough to kill it, just enough to make it bleed. Then the alive animal lays there until it is completely bled out with spectators celebrating.

A slow, torturous death. Think about that when you’re eating someplace with halal meat.

So this is straight-up Islamophobic propaganda.

I've been a vegetarian for 30 years, since shortly after I moved to a Muslim country and saw lots of animals killed for Eid.

Livestock in all Muslim countries I'm aware of live a relatively humane life, and halal butchery is very, very much more humane than the factory process employed here.

The notion that an American meat eater, who daily gobbles down the carcasses of feedlot-raised, antibiotic-stuffed animals whose entire life is one of prolonged torture, would spout this kind of nonsense about halal butchery is really quite something.

The notion that people who eat meat and enjoy the fruit of industrial-scale factory farming cruelty would spout off about how unsightly it is that people might actually SEE animals slaughtered is deeply ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
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Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

+1

This is how God works. He makes fools of people who project themselves as smart.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

For conservative Muslim women who view covering in front of males a deeply-held matter of religious faith, the loss of sex-segregated spaces is a life-altering imposition. They have lost access to major parts of their lives because of gender ideology. And you screaming “transwomen are women” at those women does not remove the profound loss they’ve experienced.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

And others don’t want unscientific religious ideology imposed on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

You may admit in the end that they were not the lesser of the 2 evils.

[Anonymous]

I have no issues with the halal method of killing animals. From what I understand, its whole origin is that it’s a more humane way to slaughter an animal. It also doesn’t seem different to what happens when people go hunting and eat dear or ducks. Factory slaughterhouses are 1000x worse.

I absolutely hate that our country is backsliding on LGBTQ rights. It seems that a major point of our constitution isn’t to allow “tyranny of the majority” over the rights of the few. Religious views (Muslim or Christian) shouldn’t be allowed to mistreat others. Don’t believe in gay marriage? Don’t marry someone of your same gender. Also the hysteria over trans people would be laughable if it weren’t so horrifying and dangerous. Do you honestly think a Muslim woman would be scared to run into Dylan Mulvaney (did I get her name right?)?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

MCPS is imposing a sex-ed curriculum that is contrary to Muslim (and Christian) values.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

And others don’t want unscientific religious ideology imposed on them.

And it isn't. But the ideology the PP mentioned is (see: MCPS).

[Anonymous]

Most non christians (muslim, jews, hindu or any other religion) who lived here in states ling enough to earn voting rights, doesn't really want conservative ideology, by any religion, not even their own.

However, they can be cornered into voting for republicans by extreme democratic policies. As parents, they are afraid of their kids getting confused about gender and sex.

People got conditioned to see gender and sex from straight lens for centuries. Over proportionate display of such matters in media and Hollywood makes them feel its getting culturally forced upon new generations.

They'll pay the price of electing hateful elements by becoming their next target themselves.

[Anonymous]

This is a great thread.