Dmv muslims, what do you think about what’s going on in Hamtramck

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Muslims are actually a pro LBGTQ etc religion.

Back when formed there were issues with older men basically forcing themselves on young boys. So basically being a pedophile is prohibited.

You can be in a loving consensual gay relationship and be a good Muslim

Huh? Have you read the quran and been to a muslim country? No Muslims are not pro-lgbtqia+ Islam is pro-privacy so basically if what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom people will accept it. That's why you need four witnesses who actually witness penetration to accuse someone of adultery . And yes, a person can be in a consensual gay relationship and be a good muslim. Things aren't black and white with what a "good" muslim means. God is only the judge. That being said being gay is very different than the current lgbtqia+ ideology that is being pushed on us. If you open the quran you will see numerous references to the two biological sexes so this hundred gender thing simply contradicts the basic tenants of islam that recognizes biological realities. Also don't forget the story of Lot in the quran. Very difficult to deny that same sex relationships are frowned upon. It's fine to have a liberal lgbtqia+ friendly interpretation of the quran. But don't pretend that its the norm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WRT the court case in MOCO, I hope this will send the message to the Muslim community that there are no special exemptions for them.

As a muslim I am very excited about the MOCO case outcome. I have no doubt that it (or a similar case) will eventually make it to the supreme court and parental rights will be enshrined. Things are already changing in European countries. It will take a while for things to change here because everything is politicalized. But the tide will turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslims are actually a pro LBGTQ etc religion.

Back when formed there were issues with older men basically forcing themselves on young boys. So basically being a pedophile is prohibited.

You can be in a loving consensual gay relationship and be a good Muslim

Huh? Have you read the quran and been to a muslim country? No Muslims are not pro-lgbtqia+ Islam is pro-privacy so basically if what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom people will accept it. That's why you need four witnesses who actually witness penetration to accuse someone of adultery . And yes, a person can be in a consensual gay relationship and be a good muslim. Things aren't black and white with what a "good" muslim means. God is only the judge. That being said being gay is very different than the current lgbtqia+ ideology that is being pushed on us. If you open the quran you will see numerous references to the two biological sexes so this hundred gender thing simply contradicts the basic tenants of islam that recognizes biological realities. Also don't forget the story of Lot in the quran. Very difficult to deny that same sex relationships are frowned upon. It's fine to have a liberal lgbtqia+ friendly interpretation of the quran. But don't pretend that its the norm.

Because those counties are a little over the top. There are gay Muslim leaders now. Lots of Black Americans are Muslim too. Muslim is not country based.

[Anonymous]

There are 100 million lbgtq Muslims. Just base of fact one billion Muslims and 10 percent of humans fall into that category.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 100 million lbgtq Muslims. Just base of fact one billion Muslims and 10 percent of humans fall into that category.

That’s great. Wonderful. What does this have to do with Islam being a pro lgbtqia+ religion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslims are actually a pro LBGTQ etc religion.

Back when formed there were issues with older men basically forcing themselves on young boys. So basically being a pedophile is prohibited.

You can be in a loving consensual gay relationship and be a good Muslim

Huh? Have you read the quran and been to a muslim country? No Muslims are not pro-lgbtqia+ Islam is pro-privacy so basically if what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom people will accept it. That's why you need four witnesses who actually witness penetration to accuse someone of adultery . And yes, a person can be in a consensual gay relationship and be a good muslim. Things aren't black and white with what a "good" muslim means. God is only the judge. That being said being gay is very different than the current lgbtqia+ ideology that is being pushed on us. If you open the quran you will see numerous references to the two biological sexes so this hundred gender thing simply contradicts the basic tenants of islam that recognizes biological realities. Also don't forget the story of Lot in the quran. Very difficult to deny that same sex relationships are frowned upon. It's fine to have a liberal lgbtqia+ friendly interpretation of the quran. But don't pretend that its the norm.

Because those counties are a little over the top. There are gay Muslim leaders now. Lots of Black Americans are Muslim too. Muslim is not country based.

Again. What does this have to do with Islam being an lgbtqia+ religion? There is literally no mainstream or nonmainstream sect or school of thought in Islam that is pro lgbtqia+. Yes you will find some minority opinions that are lgbtqia + friendly, a couple of gay muslim leaders here and there but that’s it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 100 million lbgtq Muslims. Just base of fact one billion Muslims and 10 percent of humans fall into that category.

That’s great. Wonderful. What does this have to do with Islam being a pro lgbtqia+ religion?

There is a 100 million gay Muslims. That’s a lot of pro queer Muslims

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 100 million lbgtq Muslims. Just base of fact one billion Muslims and 10 percent of humans fall into that category.

That’s great. Wonderful. What does this have to do with Islam being a pro lgbtqia+ religion?

There is a 100 million gay Muslims. That’s a lot of pro queer Muslims

You keep talking about the number of Muslims being gay. First of all no need to pull out statistics out of no where. But even if they are queer, are they practicing? You realize that Muslims are like adherents of any other religion right? Some are practicing some are not. But even if there are 100 million gay Muslims, what does that have to do with the actual religion of Islam? Have you read the Quran?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamtramck resident here. A few clarifications:

1) No one is allowed to slaughter animals in their backyards, as a matter of fact, it must be enclosed out of the eyes of the neighbors, must apply for a permit from the city, after the fact an inspector will come and insure the sanitation of the area and the waste must be disposed of appropriately.

2) We did not ban the pride flag, that was just the media spin. We banned all flags which happen to include pride flag that aren't: country, state, city, county and powmia. This is done because the city already has several interests from people from various sides wanting their flag posted (including Islamic holidays). This resolution that was approved disallows all on city owned properties. You can still display any flag you want on your private property.

Slaughtering in Islam requires a cut through the jugular vein, carotid artery, and windpipe with a very sharp knife and not in front of other animals. It was scientifically proven that brings on the lowest amount of pain, there are many research papers on this aspect including that stunning an animal in the modern sense actually causes more pain.

That's hilarious 😂. Did they fill out a survey after they were basically decapitated?

Disclaimer- not a fan of regressive crap, to include regressive Muslim crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamtramck resident here. A few clarifications:

1) No one is allowed to slaughter animals in their backyards, as a matter of fact, it must be enclosed out of the eyes of the neighbors, must apply for a permit from the city, after the fact an inspector will come and insure the sanitation of the area and the waste must be disposed of appropriately.

2) We did not ban the pride flag, that was just the media spin. We banned all flags which happen to include pride flag that aren't: country, state, city, county and powmia. This is done because the city already has several interests from people from various sides wanting their flag posted (including Islamic holidays). This resolution that was approved disallows all on city owned properties. You can still display any flag you want on your private property.

Slaughtering in Islam requires a cut through the jugular vein, carotid artery, and windpipe with a very sharp knife and not in front of other animals. It was scientifically proven that brings on the lowest amount of pain, there are many research papers on this aspect including that stunning an animal in the modern sense actually causes more pain.

That's hilarious 😂. Did they fill out a survey after they were basically decapitated?

Disclaimer- not a fan of regressive crap, to include regressive Muslim crap.

The movie faces of death shows actual footage of cows dying orthodox style where they slit throat enough not to kill then instantly but let let then bleed out. It is disgusting and painful

[Anonymous]

NP and I do find this interesting, though I am Hindu. But I think what most of the Muslim posters on this forum have been saying on this thread really resonates with me (and I am guessing a lot of Asians in general). There are subcultures within the Democratic party that vote the way we do because long ago we agreed on certain policies: Lower taxes for the middle class, healthcare for all, investment in public education, gun control, climate change. Many of us are high earners and would fare better (financially with lower taxes) if we voted Republican. But we don't, because there is this sense of improving the public good is more important in the long run. But that sense is definitely being eroded by the decisions progressives are making.

I think Democrats are at risk of losing Muslims and Hindus if you keep pushing the trans/gender identity issues to the forefront of their agenda. I myself am very liberal, but I know enough of my relatives/friends to understand that progressives need to be *practical*, and focus on the issues that impact the most number of people - and that's NOT LGBTQ issues. My friends/relatives want the party to push better health coverage, improve public education, ban guns, and invest in the green economy, first and foremost. And if you push other things (introducing a queer friendly curriculum in elem, expanding abortion in the 2nd trimester for minors, etc), you are just going to continue to lose them. Just my two cents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP and I do find this interesting, though I am Hindu. But I think what most of the Muslim posters on this forum have been saying on this thread really resonates with me (and I am guessing a lot of Asians in general). There are subcultures within the Democratic party that vote the way we do because long ago we agreed on certain policies: Lower taxes for the middle class, healthcare for all, investment in public education, gun control, climate change. Many of us are high earners and would fare better (financially with lower taxes) if we voted Republican. But we don't, because there is this sense of improving the public good is more important in the long run. But that sense is definitely being eroded by the decisions progressives are making.

I think Democrats are at risk of losing Muslims and Hindus if you keep pushing the trans/gender identity issues to the forefront of their agenda. I myself am very liberal, but I know enough of my relatives/friends to understand that progressives need to be *practical*, and focus on the issues that impact the most number of people - and that's NOT LGBTQ issues. My friends/relatives want the party to push better health coverage, improve public education, ban guns, and invest in the green economy, first and foremost. And if you push other things (introducing a queer friendly curriculum in elem, expanding abortion in the 2nd trimester for minors, etc), you are just going to continue to lose them. Just my two cents.

I am one of the Muslim posters and you sound exactly like me. I vote democrat because I believe in unions, Medicare for all, public education, gun control, diplomacy and not war and combating climate change. My husband and I are also high earners so technically lower taxes are better for us. But we vote democrat because we believe that the public good is more important. However democrats seem to not care about any of this anymore and are more focused on controversial culture war issues. I have friends who have registered republican. I think that democrats will lose a lot of religious and ethnic minority voters and immigrants to the republicans. Democrats have decided to put all their eggs in the lgbtqia+ basket and to die on that hill. They will lose many of us in the process. I personally can never vote republican but will never vote democrat again. I guess I will just not vote at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP and I do find this interesting, though I am Hindu. But I think what most of the Muslim posters on this forum have been saying on this thread really resonates with me (and I am guessing a lot of Asians in general). There are subcultures within the Democratic party that vote the way we do because long ago we agreed on certain policies: Lower taxes for the middle class, healthcare for all, investment in public education, gun control, climate change. Many of us are high earners and would fare better (financially with lower taxes) if we voted Republican. But we don't, because there is this sense of improving the public good is more important in the long run. But that sense is definitely being eroded by the decisions progressives are making.

I think Democrats are at risk of losing Muslims and Hindus if you keep pushing the trans/gender identity issues to the forefront of their agenda. I myself am very liberal, but I know enough of my relatives/friends to understand that progressives need to be *practical*, and focus on the issues that impact the most number of people - and that's NOT LGBTQ issues. My friends/relatives want the party to push better health coverage, improve public education, ban guns, and invest in the green economy, first and foremost. And if you push other things (introducing a queer friendly curriculum in elem, expanding abortion in the 2nd trimester for minors, etc), you are just going to continue to lose them. Just my two cents.

I am one of the Muslim posters and you sound exactly like me. I vote democrat because I believe in unions, Medicare for all, public education, gun control, diplomacy and not war and combating climate change. My husband and I are also high earners so technically lower taxes are better for us. But we vote democrat because we believe that the public good is more important. However democrats seem to not care about any of this anymore and are more focused on controversial culture war issues. I have friends who have registered republican. I think that democrats will lose a lot of religious and ethnic minority voters and immigrants to the republicans. Democrats have decided to put all their eggs in the lgbtqia+ basket and to die on that hill. They will lose many of us in the process. I personally can never vote republican but will never vote democrat again. I guess I will just not vote at all.

You both resonate with me as well. I’m a Catholic and grew up as Democrat. I quit the party over some of the issues you named as well as abortion and became an independent. At one time ironically the Catholic vote was very strongly Democrat. I know many, many, many Catholics who now are lost to the party over these issues and do definitely vote Republican. Like you I believe in “unions, Medicare for all, public education, gun control, diplomacy and not war and combating climate change.” Like you I either will not vote or will find a third party candidate that reflects my values. And yes I know I will be flamed on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op, what exactly is “backyard animal sacrifice”? Killing your dog and roasting it?

I live in a Muslim country for my job. They routinely sacrifice animals for the Eid holidays; there are two Eid holidays per year. At least one of the Eid sacrifices has to do with God asking Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac. I don't know if the second, summer Eid celebrates the same thing, but they do also sacrifice animals. Coincidentally, Eid begins on June 27, so we've been talking about this in our house.

I teach at an international school and we have a lot of kids from the host country and surrounding Muslim countries in addition to the Western expats. I had to ask my students never to talk to me about their Eid animals and how they are treated and killed because it upsets me so much. What happens is that a family will go buy a lamb or sheep or goat or camel, treat it what they think is well for a few weeks, and then kill it with the family watching. On the one hand, some Muslims here have told me the animals' deaths are "painless", but on the other hand I've heard a lot of kids (who don't understand yet how this is interpreted by non-Muslims) talking about what it actually looked like and how the animal was actually handled. I find it sickening and won't describe it here.

In wealthier areas of the Middle East, this takes place among families and is largely not visible to non-Muslims. You won't see anything to do with it as an expat in Dubai, for example, though it is happening behind the scenes. In nearby places in the region that are poorer and don't have or cater to a Western expat community, like Karachi, where I've also spent time, one sees heads and piles of innards rotting in the streets around this time (I have photos I took of this, but don't know how to post them and it probably isn't appropriate here, but it is gruesome).

I had no idea this was allowed in the US. I'm kind of appalled it happens there. I do see a culture of callousness and what we would call casual cruelty and disregard of animal welfare in general (not just the Eid sacrifices, but even the way street cats and pets are treated here), and I do think it is related. I do not think it is a good thing to expose children to violent, bloody killing of an animal during a fun celebration.

I was visiting another country once during a Muslim holiday sacrifice, and it was horrific. I wasn't even watching, but no matter where I went in the house I could not escape the sound of it. Which lasted a really long time. It was awful. I'm a vegetarian, so I don't think killing animals is OK under any circumstances, but doing so in a way that doesn't allow people to escape from the sight or sound of it violates other people's rights not to have to experience that violence first hand. It's traumatic, and totally inappropriate for children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Muslims are actually a pro LBGTQ etc religion.

Back when formed there were issues with older men basically forcing themselves on young boys. So basically being a pedophile is prohibited.

You can be in a loving consensual gay relationship and be a good Muslim

It’s not a pro LGBT religion but it is pro choice