Dmv muslims, what do you think about what’s going on in Hamtramck

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The animal sacrifice doesn’t bother me, the rest sucks

They don't allow anesthesia or stunning. The idea of chopping into a frightened, conscious animal's neck so it can bleed out seems unnecessarily cruel to me. I think if it is going to be legal, they should require the animal to be sedated or stunned somehow.

[Anonymous]

I hope other cities electing their city councils take note. The councils shouldn’t be majority anyone with the controversial history.

[Anonymous]

When I lived in an urban area of Ohio, the Muslims in my apartment building sacrificed a goat in an alley. They also put their wet laundry out to drip dry off their balconies.

The goat thing was awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I lived in an urban area of Ohio, the Muslims in my apartment building sacrificed a goat in an alley. They also put their wet laundry out to drip dry off their balconies.

The goat thing was awful.

Ah, but not the wet laundry?

We get it. They were awful



/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

Just like the liberals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope other cities electing their city councils take note. The councils shouldn’t be majority anyone with the controversial history.

Ha ha ha, that is hilarious. What group doesn't have a controversial history? How would you prevent people from running?

[Anonymous]

My husband grew up in a Muslim family and he still talks about how traumatizing it was to see a lamb sacrificed as a child. I’m a meat eater and still find meat factories traumatizing. Animals to be eaten are generally not treated well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband grew up in a Muslim family and he still talks about how traumatizing it was to see a lamb sacrificed as a child. I’m a meat eater and still find meat factories traumatizing. Animals to be eaten are generally not treated well.

At least the Muslims got their hands dirty and weren't hypocrites about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I lived in an urban area of Ohio, the Muslims in my apartment building sacrificed a goat in an alley. They also put their wet laundry out to drip dry off their balconies.

The goat thing was awful.

Ah, but not the wet laundry?

We get it. They were awful


They were kind of dumb if they didn't squeeze out the drops of water before hanging out to dry.

/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamtramck is now majority Muslim and related middle eastern / south/west Asian cultures.

They are going to run the city in a way that accomodates the local majority culture. Same has how Bethesda accommodates car drivers.

If that offends you, bring it up at the next powwow with the original native residents.

Their laws have to be constitutional. No one is going to run a city just in cultural laws.

Of course. And potatoes have eyes. What's your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op, what exactly is “backyard animal sacrifice”? Killing your dog and roasting it?

I live in a Muslim country for my job. They routinely sacrifice animals for the Eid holidays; there are two Eid holidays per year. At least one of the Eid sacrifices has to do with God asking Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac. I don't know if the second, summer Eid celebrates the same thing, but they do also sacrifice animals. Coincidentally, Eid begins on June 27, so we've been talking about this in our house.

I teach at an international school and we have a lot of kids from the host country and surrounding Muslim countries in addition to the Western expats. I had to ask my students never to talk to me about their Eid animals and how they are treated and killed because it upsets me so much. What happens is that a family will go buy a lamb or sheep or goat or camel, treat it what they think is well for a few weeks, and then kill it with the family watching. On the one hand, some Muslims here have told me the animals' deaths are "painless", but on the other hand I've heard a lot of kids (who don't understand yet how this is interpreted by non-Muslims) talking about what it actually looked like and how the animal was actually handled. I find it sickening and won't describe it here.

In wealthier areas of the Middle East, this takes place among families and is largely not visible to non-Muslims. You won't see anything to do with it as an expat in Dubai, for example, though it is happening behind the scenes. In nearby places in the region that are poorer and don't have or cater to a Western expat community, like Karachi, where I've also spent time, one sees heads and piles of innards rotting in the streets around this time (I have photos I took of this, but don't know how to post them and it probably isn't appropriate here, but it is gruesome).

I had no idea this was allowed in the US. I'm kind of appalled it happens there. I do see a culture of callousness and what we would call casual cruelty and disregard of animal welfare in general (not just the Eid sacrifices, but even the way street cats and pets are treated here), and I do think it is related. I do not think it is a good thing to expose children to violent, bloody killing of an animal during a fun celebration.

Just wondering, what did you have for dinner yesterday?
At your most recent wedding or birthday party?
Were you celebrating life over a pile of animal carcasses? Drinking the nectar of a raped cow whose baby was murdered?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband grew up in a Muslim family and he still talks about how traumatizing it was to see a lamb sacrificed as a child. I’m a meat eater and still find meat factories traumatizing. Animals to be eaten are generally not treated well.

At least the Muslims got their hands dirty and weren't hypocrites about it.

It’s not even just that. It’s the method.

The animal’s neck is slit, not enough to kill it, just enough to make it bleed. Then the alive animal lays there until it is completely bled out with spectators celebrating.

A slow, torturous death. Think about that when you’re eating someplace with halal meat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op, what exactly is “backyard animal sacrifice”? Killing your dog and roasting it?

I live in a Muslim country for my job. They routinely sacrifice animals for the Eid holidays; there are two Eid holidays per year. At least one of the Eid sacrifices has to do with God asking Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac. I don't know if the second, summer Eid celebrates the same thing, but they do also sacrifice animals. Coincidentally, Eid begins on June 27, so we've been talking about this in our house.

I teach at an international school and we have a lot of kids from the host country and surrounding Muslim countries in addition to the Western expats. I had to ask my students never to talk to me about their Eid animals and how they are treated and killed because it upsets me so much. What happens is that a family will go buy a lamb or sheep or goat or camel, treat it what they think is well for a few weeks, and then kill it with the family watching. On the one hand, some Muslims here have told me the animals' deaths are "painless", but on the other hand I've heard a lot of kids (who don't understand yet how this is interpreted by non-Muslims) talking about what it actually looked like and how the animal was actually handled. I find it sickening and won't describe it here.

In wealthier areas of the Middle East, this takes place among families and is largely not visible to non-Muslims. You won't see anything to do with it as an expat in Dubai, for example, though it is happening behind the scenes. In nearby places in the region that are poorer and don't have or cater to a Western expat community, like Karachi, where I've also spent time, one sees heads and piles of innards rotting in the streets around this time (I have photos I took of this, but don't know how to post them and it probably isn't appropriate here, but it is gruesome).

I had no idea this was allowed in the US. I'm kind of appalled it happens there. I do see a culture of callousness and what we would call casual cruelty and disregard of animal welfare in general (not just the Eid sacrifices, but even the way street cats and pets are treated here), and I do think it is related. I do not think it is a good thing to expose children to violent, bloody killing of an animal during a fun celebration.

Just wondering, what did you have for dinner yesterday?
At your most recent wedding or birthday party?
Were you celebrating life over a pile of animal carcasses? Drinking the nectar of a raped cow whose baby was murdered?

Not PP, but this is a reason that so many of us are vegan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband grew up in a Muslim family and he still talks about how traumatizing it was to see a lamb sacrificed as a child. I’m a meat eater and still find meat factories traumatizing. Animals to be eaten are generally not treated well.

At least the Muslims got their hands dirty and weren't hypocrites about it.

It’s not even just that. It’s the method.

The animal’s neck is slit, not enough to kill it, just enough to make it bleed. Then the alive animal lays there until it is completely bled out with spectators celebrating.

A slow, torturous death. Think about that when you’re eating someplace with halal meat.

Please stop making things up, this is not true. The animal is killed with a swift cut instantly to prevent any pain. Islam forbids torturing animals and requires kindness to all animals. Yes, we eat meat but it is no different than any other people, except vegetarians. I find it disturbing when people like you try to vilify Muslims for eating meat, the rules are similar to kosher. If you have a problem with Muslims eating meat then you should have a problem with anyone eating meat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband grew up in a Muslim family and he still talks about how traumatizing it was to see a lamb sacrificed as a child. I’m a meat eater and still find meat factories traumatizing. Animals to be eaten are generally not treated well.

At least the Muslims got their hands dirty and weren't hypocrites about it.

It’s not even just that. It’s the method.

The animal’s neck is slit, not enough to kill it, just enough to make it bleed. Then the alive animal lays there until it is completely bled out with spectators celebrating.

A slow, torturous death. Think about that when you’re eating someplace with halal meat.

Please stop making things up, this is not true. The animal is killed with a swift cut instantly to prevent any pain. Islam forbids torturing animals and requires kindness to all animals. Yes, we eat meat but it is no different than any other people, except vegetarians. I find it disturbing when people like you try to vilify Muslims for eating meat, the rules are similar to kosher. If you have a problem with Muslims eating meat then you should have a problem with anyone eating meat.

They're not villifying people for eating meat. They're expressing their disgust with slitting an animal's throat in public.