Why did NVSL move relay carnival a week earlier and do we think this change is permanent?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of this is secondary fallout from the decision, a couple years ago, to hold All-Stars a week earlier. Whereas All-Stars was routinely held on the first Saturday in August, it is now the last Saturday in July. Everything else pushes back a week even before considering potential conflicts with the 4th of July. Can't make everyone happen.

This is what our pool was told - that All Start needed to be done before August so everything was pushed up.

Plus - with FCPS starting so early now, it's hard to get a summer vacay or camp in unless you maximize August.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

Not a B meet!!! The shame of it all. Don’t call it that. The stench will carry in the air.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

Or you could call All Stars a rec league championship. Which is what it's supposed to be...

Consider this scenario. Is it supposed to be a rec league championship where kids at the bottom of their age group for LC zones can come back to crush the summer league competition in a lower age group? The kids who won the 9-10 50 back and the 10&u IM at NVSL all stars in 2022 both swam in the LC zone age group meet a year earlier, in 2021, as 10 year olds. So you only want them out of the rec league championship when they're actually 10, but if they are 11 and don't qualify for 11-12 zones it's ok to swim in the 10 & under group at NVSL all stars?

They are saying that. NVSL is rec league and kids don't swim their age. There are some HOT threads on this. Honestly it is okay. My team rep said to some parents that no one is getting into college on their NVSL swim times. It simply doesn't really count. The Stroke and Turn Judges are erratic and it is human timers (not touchpads). It should be fun.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

Of course silly - it's open and accessible to any who qualify and who make it a priority to show up and compete. Life is full of decisions and options. If people decide that there is something more important to them and they elect not to be there, that's ok too.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

Of course silly - it's open and accessible to any who qualify and who make it a priority to show up and compete. Life is full of decisions and options. If people decide that there is something more important to them and they elect not to be there, that's ok too.

You sound like a broken record.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

Of course silly - it's open and accessible to any who qualify and who make it a priority to show up and compete. Life is full of decisions and options. If people decide that there is something more important to them and they elect not to be there, that's ok too.

You sound like a broken record.

Which is very apropos given the nonsensical counter-narrative being proffered here.

Some (wo)men you just can't reach...



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Anonymous wrote:I planned a vacation for the last week in June thinking we WOULD be in town for relay carnival so now I’m stuck hoping my kid doesn’t make it at the bottom of the age group this year. Rookie mistake on my end for not double checking the date before I made the trip plans.

I think it’s a pain that time trials are while school is in session and the first meet is the day after school gets out.

But it is what it is.

Time trials and the first meet are both on a Saturday. Pro tip, even before the official end of the school year, schools really have no bearing on what you and your kids choose to do on Saturdays.

UM, our school has events both those mornings. We can't be the only FCPS that does? I know APS students with conflicts as well.

Also pushing up the season now butts up against champs in baseball and softball.

Also volleyball for a lot of girls.

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I think less than half the team will be able to make it to time trials from what I’ve heard from people.

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Anonymous wrote:I think less than half the team will be able to make it to time trials from what I’ve heard from people.

The bigger question, will time trials be live-streamed this year?

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Anonymous wrote:I think less than half the team will be able to make it to time trials from what I’ve heard from people.

We are an upper third division team and we usually have incredible attendance for time trials. This year we have about 15-20% missing it, which for our team is very much an outlier. Mostly other sport/champ conflicts and a few school trips.

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Time Trials are basically an extra practice. They don't even hand out ribbons. It's not the end of the world if your kid or someone else's kid misses Time Trials. Coaches will get a time for them in practice or at the B meet. Life will go on.

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Anonymous wrote:I think less than half the team will be able to make it to time trials from what I’ve heard from people.

We are an upper third division team and we usually have incredible attendance for time trials.

So Division 5 or 6 is the cut line above which people take summer swim way too seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:Time Trials are basically an extra practice. They don't even hand out ribbons. It's not the end of the world if your kid or someone else's kid misses Time Trials. Coaches will get a time for them in practice or at the B meet. Life will go on.

Except the first B meet conflicts with all the elementary band and string concerts that night. Sigh.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Oh and to be clear don’t care about “Zones” either.

Parents with the year round swimmers really need to recognize it isn’t all about you and your kids. In most divisions, the A meet swimmers don’t need to be swimming year round or are doing it very lightly.

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Lol. The level of defensiveness of parents whose kids don’t swim year round /contempt for year round swimmers is crazy. Agree with a PP, that is where the craziness is but keep blaming the year round swimmers for it! Sigh.

People are responding to an obnoxious and crazy poster babbling about long course competitions conflicting with all stars. Try to keep up.

Lol. I think you need to keep up. I was responding to the quote above “Parents with the year round swimmers really need to recognize it isn’t all about you and your kids. In most divisions, the A meet swimmers don’t need to be swimming year round or are doing it very lightly.”

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

Or you could call All Stars a rec league championship. Which is what it's supposed to be...

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Swimmers who qualify for both can choose which is more important. They still get the patch even if they scratch don’t they? Moving it a week earlier may remove the conflict with Zones but there are other big meets that weekend, Futures, etc. No time is perfect. It is a great opportunity for kids to prioritize and no it doesn’t water down All-Stars which is based on one swim and many of the kids at that level are separated by a tenth of a second.