Why did NVSL move relay carnival a week earlier and do we think this change is permanent?

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Oh and to be clear don’t care about “Zones” either.

Parents with the year round swimmers really need to recognize it isn’t all about you and your kids. In most divisions, the A meet swimmers don’t need to be swimming year round or are doing it very lightly.

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Lol. The level of defensiveness of parents whose kids don’t swim year round /contempt for year round swimmers is crazy. Agree with a PP, that is where the craziness is but keep blaming the year round swimmers for it! Sigh.

People are responding to an obnoxious and crazy poster babbling about long course competitions conflicting with all stars. Try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

I hate the early start as this year teams wont even have a week of morning practices before the start of the season. But It’s tough with schools getting out late and starting 2 weeks before Labor Day. It doesn’t get much time for vacations especially if you have kid who make all stars if high school kids who do fall sports.

For people complaining about the change and who planned vacation the last week of June, the 2023 schedule was released at the team rep wrap up meeting in September and posted on the NVSL site. As a team rep I sent an email to our team as soon as we found out so they could plan accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Its important to note that the school calendars in Northern Virginia are part of the problem here. School is going later in June than it used to and starting earlier in August. This makes the window for summer swim even shorter.

I don't know what the answer is, but there are several factors involved in the schedule.

The answer is to cut the number of holidays during the school year. It is ridiculous.

We moved to Fauquier a few years ago and I looked at the Fairfax school calendar for next year as opposed to ours, and Fairfax ends up spending a week and a half longer in school than we do because of all the holidays, half days and teacher in service days. We start August 16 and end June 4 (although if we don’t use all the numerous snow days built in we will likely end May 31, we ended earlier than scheduled last year and this year); compared to Fairfax starting August 20 and ending June 12.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

NP. Life is about choices these kids who qualify for both can choose which matters to them more. The league can’t shift everything. There needs to be some break before school starts.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

Or you could call All Stars a rec league championship. Which is what it's supposed to be...

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

Paging the poster who says it’s the summer swimmers who have crazy parents and the year round swimmers just don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

Not a B meet!!! The shame of it all. Don’t call it that. The stench will carry in the air.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

Or you could call All Stars a rec league championship. Which is what it's supposed to be...

Consider this scenario. Is it supposed to be a rec league championship where kids at the bottom of their age group for LC zones can come back to crush the summer league competition in a lower age group? The kids who won the 9-10 50 back and the 10&u IM at NVSL all stars in 2022 both swam in the LC zone age group meet a year earlier, in 2021, as 10 year olds. So you only want them out of the rec league championship when they're actually 10, but if they are 11 and don't qualify for 11-12 zones it's ok to swim in the 10 & under group at NVSL all stars?

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

So what should they do? If they move all stars a week late then you’d complain that the zone kids will miss divisionals. The season is only so long. Everyone wants a break in August.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

So what should they do? If they move all stars a week late then you’d complain that the zone kids will miss divisionals. The season is only so long. Everyone wants a break in August.

The way the schedule lays out now there is no conflict. Zones are after the NVSL season, including All Stars. The crowd who wants to delay the start of A meets by a week and push All Stars back into August is proposing a conflict that would affect a small number of elite swimmers in the league. There are pros and cons to every approach and this is likely a secondary consideration (August vacations being primary), but IMO it makes All Stars more meaningful for the kids who do make it if you aren't automatically excluding a subset of the best swimmers.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

With school starting well before Labor Day in NoVa now, what are the options? We’ve established the true nutters don’t think anyone should travel during summer swim. So you want 2 weeks of the summer anyone can travel? Get real. Things overlap. Pick your priority.

Holding the All-Star meet on the first Saturday in August also creates a conflict with the Eastern Zone Long Course meets. There were a number of NVSL all-stars who swam in both meets last year. They would have to choose if the All-Star meet were a week later.

This is a small number of kids so no offense who cares.

The bigger issue is giving all families to have some time to travel.

It’s a smaller number of kids, but generally there are a lot of club swimmers amongst the All Stars, so Zones is a consideration. Let me guess, you’re one of the parents that hopes faster kids can’t make it to All Stars so your kid has a shot.

I genuinely don’t give a shit about All Stars iand spoiler, the vast majority of people participating in summer swim don’t.

Sure, but if the league is going to continue to hold an "All-Star" meet, they should at least try to make it accessible to the best swimmers in the league. Some parents won't be happy until the league stops holding All-Stars and divisionals just so little Johnny has a better chance at making the 8 and under relay carnival.

What's not accessible about it? It doesn't conflict with any major holiday or other NVSL event. They can't concern themselves with every other activity in the universe.

As other posters have pointed out, when the NVSL all star event is the same weekend as the long course zone meet it waters down the all star meet. Might as well call NVSL all stars a B meet if it's held on the same day as a major competition for the top PVS swimmers.

Or you could call All Stars a rec league championship. Which is what it's supposed to be...

Consider this scenario. Is it supposed to be a rec league championship where kids at the bottom of their age group for LC zones can come back to crush the summer league competition in a lower age group? The kids who won the 9-10 50 back and the 10&u IM at NVSL all stars in 2022 both swam in the LC zone age group meet a year earlier, in 2021, as 10 year olds. So you only want them out of the rec league championship when they're actually 10, but if they are 11 and don't qualify for 11-12 zones it's ok to swim in the 10 & under group at NVSL all stars?

Oh my god. What a bunch of gibberish. NVSL is a rec swim league. This is a rec swim league all stars. Everyone can participate, who chooses to! Or, you can go do the other dang thing. Your choice!

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Anonymous wrote:The whole season is too early now. It is conflicting with spring Rec sport end of season. That didn’t used to happen.

I hate the early start as this year teams wont even have a week of morning practices before the start of the season. But It’s tough with schools getting out late and starting 2 weeks before Labor Day. It doesn’t get much time for vacations especially if you have kid who make all stars if high school kids who do fall sports.

For people complaining about the change and who planned vacation the last week of June, the 2023 schedule was released at the team rep wrap up meeting in September and posted on the NVSL site. As a team rep I sent an email to our team as soon as we found out so they could plan accordingly.

All Stars is in July, so that helps.