Mcps High School need to start later

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

That part's easy: flip ES and HS start times. It's the repercussions of that flip that have the opponents dug in. That part's hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

+1 Everything OP wrote was true when they did the MCPS analysis as well, but the logistics, cost, and barriers to MCPS changing the start time remain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I graduated from MCPS in the late 80’s and my kids get up for HS around the same time I did. Mine get up around 5:45am.

Why 5:45 am? SO EARLY!

Lots of buses start around 6:45. People have to get up, shower, eat, pack lunch, get to bus stop….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

That part's easy: flip ES and HS start times. It's the repercussions of that flip that have the opponents dug in. That part's hard.

So actually not easy...

See the discussion starting on p. 9: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/Bell%20Times%20Analysis%20Addl%20Options%20Jan2015.pdf

Is there anything different about now, compared to 2015?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

That part's easy: flip ES and HS start times. It's the repercussions of that flip that have the opponents dug in. That part's hard.

They considered that option thoroughly and made the best possible choice for [reasons] when this was debated several years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

That part's easy: flip ES and HS start times. It's the repercussions of that flip that have the opponents dug in. That part's hard.

So actually not easy...

See the discussion starting on p. 9: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/Bell%20Times%20Analysis%20Addl%20Options%20Jan2015.pdf

Is there anything different about now, compared to 2015?

Nope! The same stubborn posters seem to resurrect this every couple of months because they seem unable to comprehend the universe does not revolve around them and their children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools in Ca did this, and the result was kids who don’t qualify for busing getting dropped off at school on their parent’s drive to work. Regardless of what time school starts. Kids who can’t afford their own cars are going to get dropped off whenever their parents can. Not every parent has a flexible white collar job.

This already happens at ES because half of them don’t start until 930! I’d argue it’s better to let high schoolers fend for themselves before school than ES students, but YMMV…

My dad typically dropped me off at high school a half hour early in his way to work and it was NBD. Met up with friends, extra study time, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

That part's easy: flip ES and HS start times. It's the repercussions of that flip that have the opponents dug in. That part's hard.

They considered that option thoroughly and made the best possible choice for [reasons] when this was debated several years ago.

I don’t recall the analysis being that thorough, but the takeaway was that MCPS but a larger priority on after school jobs and sports than academic performance and health. That’s their choice I guess, but a bit curious for a district that is always fretting about test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

That part's easy: flip ES and HS start times. It's the repercussions of that flip that have the opponents dug in. That part's hard.

They considered that option thoroughly and made the best possible choice for [reasons] when this was debated several years ago.

I don’t recall the analysis being that thorough, but the takeaway was that MCPS but a larger priority on after school jobs and sports than academic performance and health. That’s their choice I guess, but a bit curious for a district that is always fretting about test scores.

It was sooo thorough that we never have to revisit this topic so let's just move on please.

[Anonymous]

I think they could probably do the HS and ES switch if they were willing to pay for aftercare for all the kids whose siblings currently watch them after school. The sports is a solvable problem. There is also an issue with the little kids waiting on the dark for buses but I suppose they could put in more street lamps.

[Anonymous]

How is this a thread, AGAIN?? If your kid can’t wake up on time, buy then an alarm kid clock, wake them up yourself. Send them to bed early. Cut out extra activities on weekends so they can sleep in. Be a parent. Teenagers have been getting up early for centuries. They’ll survive. The district is not required to rearrange itself for you and your teenagers sleeping patterns. The district heard parent’s concerns, did a study and analysis, made a decision , and reported out.

If you don’t like the decision, ok, but bashing MCPS isn’t going to get you a different result. Review the budget, talk with the county council, talk to the state, find additional childcare programs and funding streams, etc etc. If you can’t do any of that, move to one of those other districts folks are so enamored with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think they could probably do the HS and ES switch if they were willing to pay for aftercare for all the kids whose siblings currently watch them after school. The sports is a solvable problem. There is also an issue with the little kids waiting on the dark for buses but I suppose they could put in more street lamps.

What about little kids sleep need? They need way more sleep than high schoolers? 10-12 hours a day depending on the age of elementary students while high schoolers are ok with 8 hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

That part's easy: flip ES and HS start times. It's the repercussions of that flip that have the opponents dug in. That part's hard.

They considered that option thoroughly and made the best possible choice for [reasons] when this was debated several years ago.

And [reasons] still don't respond to the clear science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they could probably do the HS and ES switch if they were willing to pay for aftercare for all the kids whose siblings currently watch them after school. The sports is a solvable problem. There is also an issue with the little kids waiting on the dark for buses but I suppose they could put in more street lamps.

What about little kids sleep need? They need way more sleep than high schoolers? 10-12 hours a day depending on the age of elementary students while high schoolers are ok with 8 hours.

little kids don't have the shifted circadian rhythms adolescents have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

That part's easy: flip ES and HS start times. It's the repercussions of that flip that have the opponents dug in. That part's hard.

They considered that option thoroughly and made the best possible choice for [reasons] when this was debated several years ago.

I don’t recall the analysis being that thorough, but the takeaway was that MCPS but a larger priority on after school jobs and sports than academic performance and health. That’s their choice I guess, but a bit curious for a district that is always fretting about test scores.

This! Academics seem low priority at MCPS. No final exams any more. Attendance means nothing. And who cares if period 1 is a wasted period in HS because the kids are half asleep or absent or trickle in late