Mcps High School need to start later

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

1, sure. 2, though, just requires flipping HS and ES start times.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

1, sure. 2, though, just requires flipping HS and ES start times.

"just"

yeah, "just". It's not a transportation issue. Lots of other stuff, but not transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

1, sure. 2, though, just requires flipping HS and ES start times.

"just"

yeah, "just". It's not a transportation issue. Lots of other stuff, but not transportation.

Why would it be necessary to flip HS and ES start times, instead of having all schools start at the same reasonable time? Because of transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

1, sure. 2, though, just requires flipping HS and ES start times.

"just"

yeah, "just". It's not a transportation issue. Lots of other stuff, but not transportation.

Yes it is.

More kids in ES

ES kids take the buses for field trips

Younger kids need more sleep. No 5yr old should be forced to get up at 5:30-6am. 5yr old need 11-12hrs of sleep. Is their bedtime now 6pm?

Younger kids can’t walk/bike to school in the dark during the winter

Younger kids rely on older siblings or teen babysitters for after school care.

School sports and late buses would be so much later and cost the district more money to pay bus drivers to work an extra 1-2 hours.

School coaches won’t want the job as they would be getting home so much later.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

1, sure. 2, though, just requires flipping HS and ES start times.

"just"

yeah, "just". It's not a transportation issue. Lots of other stuff, but not transportation.

Yes it is.

More kids in ES

ES kids take the buses for field trips

Younger kids need more sleep. No 5yr old should be forced to get up at 5:30-6am. 5yr old need 11-12hrs of sleep. Is their bedtime now 6pm?

Younger kids can’t walk/bike to school in the dark during the winter

Younger kids rely on older siblings or teen babysitters for after school care.

School sports and late buses would be so much later and cost the district more money to pay bus drivers to work an extra 1-2 hours.

School coaches won’t want the job as they would be getting home so much later.

The OP is only interested in their child's welfare. They can't seem to grasp how this also affects younger kids and families.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

There's also plenty of scientific evidence that older children in HS need to provide daycare for their younger sibilings.

And yet somehow all those first kids got taken care of.

+1,000

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

There's also plenty of scientific evidence that older children in HS need to provide daycare for their younger sibilings.

And yet somehow all those first kids got taken care of.

We're so lucky that their older siblings were home to make this work!

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The county has already decided this issue. It's been settled for a while. Not sure why this poster has to resurrect it every couple of months. The best advice I can offer is simply moving your clock ahead two hours so your child goes to bed earlier.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Ok, but everyone is saying just send the HS kids to bed earlier, so why wouldn't you be able do that with your younger kids? My ES kids are in bed by 8 and typically wake up around 6:30am. Even if they are up later than typical it's still rare for them to sleep past 7.

That is just your kids. My 1st grader goes to bed at 8pm and sleeps until 7:30am and sometimes 8:00am.

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Anonymous wrote:The county has already decided this issue. It's been settled for a while. Not sure why this poster has to resurrect it every couple of months. The best advice I can offer is simply moving your clock ahead two hours so your child goes to bed earlier.

The BoE can always change its collective mind.

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Anonymous wrote:The county has already decided this issue. It's been settled for a while. Not sure why this poster has to resurrect it every couple of months. The best advice I can offer is simply moving your clock ahead two hours so your child goes to bed earlier.

The BoE can always change its collective mind.

They won't and no amount of crazed rage posting will change it.

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Anonymous wrote:The county has already decided this issue. It's been settled for a while. Not sure why this poster has to resurrect it every couple of months. The best advice I can offer is simply moving your clock ahead two hours so your child goes to bed earlier.

The BoE can always change its collective mind.

Yes, they can, and if conditions changed, or I suppose if the BoE radically changed, it would be reasonable to believe they might do so. However, conditions have not changed, and I also haven't noticed any radical changes in the BoE.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

There's also plenty of scientific evidence that older children in HS need to provide daycare for their younger sibilings.

And yet somehow all those first kids got taken care of.

You sound like an entitled beotch. Do you know how hard it is for single working parents - that yes once they have a middle schooler or high schooler who can watch the younger siblings, that is the only option because it is financially hard to pay for aftercare and also have to be there if your shifts are off hours which many single parents are.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Ok, but everyone is saying just send the HS kids to bed earlier, so why wouldn't you be able do that with your younger kids? My ES kids are in bed by 8 and typically wake up around 6:30am. Even if they are up later than typical it's still rare for them to sleep past 7.

That is just your kids. My 1st grader goes to bed at 8pm and sleeps until 7:30am and sometimes 8:00am.

Same with mine. They can easily sleep 12 hours and need the later start time.

And another thing people forget here is high schoolers DO work after school. Maybe not the W kids, but many work to help contribute to their family's income.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Ok, but everyone is saying just send the HS kids to bed earlier, so why wouldn't you be able do that with your younger kids? My ES kids are in bed by 8 and typically wake up around 6:30am. Even if they are up later than typical it's still rare for them to sleep past 7.

That is just your kids. My 1st grader goes to bed at 8pm and sleeps until 7:30am and sometimes 8:00am.

Same with mine. They can easily sleep 12 hours and need the later start time.

And another thing people forget here is high schoolers DO work after school. Maybe not the W kids, but many work to help contribute to their family's income.

Thats a lot of sleep. Maybe they should go to the doctor and make sure they are ok. Mine never slept that much.