Mcps High School need to start later

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. Every study shows HS kids need more sleep and lack of is detrimental. Say what you want but other school districts and entire states are doing this with studied success. You probably let your kid fall asleep with their cell phones on their chests too. Good luck with that!

Even if you do a later start time that doesn't necessarily mean more sleep. They just go to be dl later.

That's why just setting the clock forward 2 hours works so well. Seriously, try it! It's just like starting later.

You keep saying this like computers, smart watches and other things won't give away the real time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. Every study shows HS kids need more sleep and lack of is detrimental. Say what you want but other school districts and entire states are doing this with studied success. You probably let your kid fall asleep with their cell phones on their chests too. Good luck with that!

Even if you do a later start time that doesn't necessarily mean more sleep. They just go to be dl later.

I bet there is research on this, and I bet that isn't true. They probably go to bed at the same time (when they're wired to) and, therefore, get more sleep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teens need more sleep and a later start time would help with that, but it would also disrupt the scheduling of other things, impact family life, and cost the school district money, so it’s not changing any time soon. The kids just have to get through it, the way generations before them did.

No, because kids would get home later and go to bed even later so it will not help at all.

My kid's private HS starts at 8:45 and this is not true in our home.

Sports at the school start at 3:30, my child does a club sport and has time to come home, get ready and drive to the location before 4. Dinner at a normal time (6:30ish), homework until 9ish depending on load. Generally asleep before 10, a "late" night is 10:30.

One experience, but it can work. Again, private school, not MCPS transportation issues.

You’re in the public school forum. Private school parents, on average, are more involved parents & are going to have things like strict bedtimes, lights out and screen time limits. The average kid in MCPS has parents who DGAF about any of that, and that kid will just end up going to bed later with later start times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teens need more sleep and a later start time would help with that, but it would also disrupt the scheduling of other things, impact family life, and cost the school district money, so it’s not changing any time soon. The kids just have to get through it, the way generations before them did.

No, because kids would get home later and go to bed even later so it will not help at all.

My kid's private HS starts at 8:45 and this is not true in our home.

Sports at the school start at 3:30, my child does a club sport and has time to come home, get ready and drive to the location before 4. Dinner at a normal time (6:30ish), homework until 9ish depending on load. Generally asleep before 10, a "late" night is 10:30.

One experience, but it can work. Again, private school, not MCPS transportation issues.

School ends at 3:00 pm and sports start at 3:30 pm? Your child must be The Flash if they can get home from school, change clothes and drive to their location in under 30 minutes. I've never seen a teen move that quickly.

3:30 is on-campus sports.

Mine can get to practice easily by 4. They get out as early as 2:40 and as late as 3:15, 10 minute commute home, 10 to practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teens need more sleep and a later start time would help with that, but it would also disrupt the scheduling of other things, impact family life, and cost the school district money, so it’s not changing any time soon. The kids just have to get through it, the way generations before them did.

No, because kids would get home later and go to bed even later so it will not help at all.

My kid's private HS starts at 8:45 and this is not true in our home.

Sports at the school start at 3:30, my child does a club sport and has time to come home, get ready and drive to the location before 4. Dinner at a normal time (6:30ish), homework until 9ish depending on load. Generally asleep before 10, a "late" night is 10:30.

One experience, but it can work. Again, private school, not MCPS transportation issues.

You’re in the public school forum. Private school parents, on average, are more involved parents & are going to have things like strict bedtimes, lights out and screen time limits. The average kid in MCPS has parents who DGAF about any of that, and that kid will just end up going to bed later with later start times.

I have a second HSer in MCPS

[Anonymous]

Schools in Ca did this, and the result was kids who don’t qualify for busing getting dropped off at school on their parent’s drive to work. Regardless of what time school starts. Kids who can’t afford their own cars are going to get dropped off whenever their parents can. Not every parent has a flexible white collar job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teens need more sleep and a later start time would help with that, but it would also disrupt the scheduling of other things, impact family life, and cost the school district money, so it’s not changing any time soon. The kids just have to get through it, the way generations before them did.

No, because kids would get home later and go to bed even later so it will not help at all.

My kid's private HS starts at 8:45 and this is not true in our home.

Sports at the school start at 3:30, my child does a club sport and has time to come home, get ready and drive to the location before 4. Dinner at a normal time (6:30ish), homework until 9ish depending on load. Generally asleep before 10, a "late" night is 10:30.

One experience, but it can work. Again, private school, not MCPS transportation issues.

You’re in the public school forum. Private school parents, on average, are more involved parents & are going to have things like strict bedtimes, lights out and screen time limits. The average kid in MCPS has parents who DGAF about any of that, and that kid will just end up going to bed later with later start times.

[Anonymous]

It won’t happen here. MCPS parents are very averse to change. Other districts all over the country are switching over due to established research on teen sleep patterns but MCPS has dug in its heels on this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. Every study shows HS kids need more sleep and lack of is detrimental. Say what you want but other school districts and entire states are doing this with studied success. You probably let your kid fall asleep with their cell phones on their chests too. Good luck with that!

Even if you do a later start time that doesn't necessarily mean more sleep. They just go to be dl later.

That's why just setting the clock forward 2 hours works so well. Seriously, try it! It's just like starting later.

You keep saying this like computers, smart watches and other things won't give away the real time?

Sure they do. Just change your time zone to Brazil time. It's super easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teens need more sleep and a later start time would help with that, but it would also disrupt the scheduling of other things, impact family life, and cost the school district money, so it’s not changing any time soon. The kids just have to get through it, the way generations before them did.

No, because kids would get home later and go to bed even later so it will not help at all.

My kid's private HS starts at 8:45 and this is not true in our home.

Sports at the school start at 3:30, my child does a club sport and has time to come home, get ready and drive to the location before 4. Dinner at a normal time (6:30ish), homework until 9ish depending on load. Generally asleep before 10, a "late" night is 10:30.

One experience, but it can work. Again, private school, not MCPS transportation issues.

You’re in the public school forum. Private school parents, on average, are more involved parents & are going to have things like strict bedtimes, lights out and screen time limits. The average kid in MCPS has parents who DGAF about any of that, and that kid will just end up going to bed later with later start times.

Truth hurts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It needs to be done. Teens simply need more sleep. LA DC NY and more..all on same page here.
https://apnews.com/article/school-start-times-pandemic-be81b0f5cb2b68fad3ce0a22dfd8ac1f

It's easy! They can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, they can just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Or, what if they just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

But they could just ... no, they considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

If you want high schools to start later, here's what you need to do: figure out how MCPS can get 160,000 students to school and back, every school day, without putting over 100,000 of them on a school bus. School start times in MCPS are a transportation issue.

No, it's not a transportation issue. It's a scheduling issue. They can rearrange start times, with HS last instead of first.

They considered that, and decided against it, for [reasons].

Nothing precludes them from changing their minds, for [reasons].

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but none of the factors on the ground have changed. It's still not efficient/possible to triple the bus fleet, and high schoolers still play sports, act in plays, and have afterschool jobs.

Reasons:

More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

And if you can figure out how to make it work, transportation-wise, we'll all be very grateful to you. But without that, nothing's going to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools in Ca did this, and the result was kids who don’t qualify for busing getting dropped off at school on their parent’s drive to work. Regardless of what time school starts. Kids who can’t afford their own cars are going to get dropped off whenever their parents can. Not every parent has a flexible white collar job.

So it made no difference then. Has CA reverted or are they sticking with the later start times despite this failure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teens need more sleep and a later start time would help with that, but it would also disrupt the scheduling of other things, impact family life, and cost the school district money, so it’s not changing any time soon. The kids just have to get through it, the way generations before them did.

No, because kids would get home later and go to bed even later so it will not help at all.

My kid's private HS starts at 8:45 and this is not true in our home.

Sports at the school start at 3:30, my child does a club sport and has time to come home, get ready and drive to the location before 4. Dinner at a normal time (6:30ish), homework until 9ish depending on load. Generally asleep before 10, a "late" night is 10:30.

One experience, but it can work. Again, private school, not MCPS transportation issues.

You’re in the public school forum. Private school parents, on average, are more involved parents & are going to have things like strict bedtimes, lights out and screen time limits. The average kid in MCPS has parents who DGAF about any of that, and that kid will just end up going to bed later with later start times.

I find private school parents far more hands off and rely on the schools for big things. Many of us public school parents are very involved, have strict bedtimes and enforce rules. Your post makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teens need more sleep and a later start time would help with that, but it would also disrupt the scheduling of other things, impact family life, and cost the school district money, so it’s not changing any time soon. The kids just have to get through it, the way generations before them did.

No, because kids would get home later and go to bed even later so it will not help at all.

My kid's private HS starts at 8:45 and this is not true in our home.

Sports at the school start at 3:30, my child does a club sport and has time to come home, get ready and drive to the location before 4. Dinner at a normal time (6:30ish), homework until 9ish depending on load. Generally asleep before 10, a "late" night is 10:30.

One experience, but it can work. Again, private school, not MCPS transportation issues.

School ends at 3:00 pm and sports start at 3:30 pm? Your child must be The Flash if they can get home from school, change clothes and drive to their location in under 30 minutes. I've never seen a teen move that quickly.

This is public school. We have sports at 3:45 and its a mad race to get there.