High School soccer insane expectations

[Anonymous]

17:52 again. I’m a parent but also a high school teacher. Students do not miss practice to take a test after school. Ever. They come to Mascot Period. Which school is this that regularly has kids missing practice to make up tests?

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter (9th grade) plays soccer at a FCPS. She is extremely stressed out because one of her teammates got very reprimanded via group chat by the coach because she sent a message in the group, letting the coach know that she couldn’t attend one practice because her tutor, who she meets once a week, had an emergency and had to reschedule her session during a practice. This is JV, they aren’t even any good and they already practice two hours a a day Monday through Saturday. The coach said that if you commit to playing soccer for their high school, you need to commit to attend every single practice, no excuses. If you break a leg, you’re expected to come in your cast and cheer for your team during every single practice. If you had a class scheduled or tutoring, the girls need to do everything possible not to schedule it during a practice, or they shouldn’t have to tried out to begin with. Another friend of DD who practices a winter sport outside of school, had her very last practice last week. It was her season ending practice, and they do a tournament. She would have absolutely let her team down had she not gone. She was yelled at by the coach. Another had a test make up scheduled after school and the coach was so angry at her because she should’ve scheduled that at a different time. Is this a thing in some sports? I find it ridiculous, he’s making the girls so stressed out. My daughter played a sport this past fall, and although they were expected to come to every single practice, the coaches were very clear that they were student athletes, and academics came first. So if they were overwhelmed with work, they could speak to the coach about will missing a practice. No one was yelled at for missing practice if they had to take a test make up after school.

I don't think the expectation to attend every single practice (no excuses) is irrational. That's the norm.

Maybe his tone/approach is a bit harsh. Sounds like my son's Freshman Football coach.

My oldest in Varsity Soccer learned in JV a few years ago, No excuses, mean no excuses.

Why should coaches demand so much of athletes that they can’t attend to their studies (seeing a tutor), or health (making doctor appointments) or participate in other activities? It’s not sustainable and makes for an unhappy team.

If the kids cannot fully commit they should leave the spot for another kid who is willing to fully commit 2/3 months of the year. Tutors can be arranged after 6pm. Doctors appointment can be done early in the morning, etc. Believe me as a parent, I've done it.

It makes zero sense to miss a class for a doctor appointment instead of missing one sports practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:17:52 again. I’m a parent but also a high school teacher. Students do not miss practice to take a test after school. Ever. They come to Mascot Period. Which school is this that regularly has kids missing practice to make up tests?

What is a "Mascot period?"

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not saying it is right -- but, yes, these are the expectations for high school soccer in our area.

Well it shouldn't be. They are STUDENT athletes. And the student should come first.

You obviously don't have a kid doing Sports at all. The expectations/commitment is that you do both.

So next time, give some respect to kids and their families who are doing it. It is not for everyone for sure, but please don't take away a spot from someone who is whiling to give 100%.

#soccermom

#gag

NP. You just come across as a person with little drive, little discipline, and poor organizational skills. Of this is your mentality, and it’s shared by your kid…they won’t be moving ahead in sports or elsewhere where there is a competitive component.

If all you look for is to beat another person in a competitive environment, that is a sad little life you’ve got there.

#soccermommy is a band, not a life choice

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:17:52 again. I’m a parent but also a high school teacher. Students do not miss practice to take a test after school. Ever. They come to Mascot Period. Which school is this that regularly has kids missing practice to make up tests?

What is a "Mascot period?"

Every school has a study hall block for every student where they can use as a study hall or go see teachers for help. It’s usually the Mascot name. For example at Madison it is called Warhawk Time. Some use this efficiently. Others use it to socialize.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter (9th grade) plays soccer at a FCPS. She is extremely stressed out because one of her teammates got very reprimanded via group chat by the coach because she sent a message in the group, letting the coach know that she couldn’t attend one practice because her tutor, who she meets once a week, had an emergency and had to reschedule her session during a practice. This is JV, they aren’t even any good and they already practice two hours a a day Monday through Saturday. The coach said that if you commit to playing soccer for their high school, you need to commit to attend every single practice, no excuses. If you break a leg, you’re expected to come in your cast and cheer for your team during every single practice. If you had a class scheduled or tutoring, the girls need to do everything possible not to schedule it during a practice, or they shouldn’t have to tried out to begin with. Another friend of DD who practices a winter sport outside of school, had her very last practice last week. It was her season ending practice, and they do a tournament. She would have absolutely let her team down had she not gone. She was yelled at by the coach. Another had a test make up scheduled after school and the coach was so angry at her because she should’ve scheduled that at a different time. Is this a thing in some sports? I find it ridiculous, he’s making the girls so stressed out. My daughter played a sport this past fall, and although they were expected to come to every single practice, the coaches were very clear that they were student athletes, and academics came first. So if they were overwhelmed with work, they could speak to the coach about will missing a practice. No one was yelled at for missing practice if they had to take a test make up after school.

I don't think the expectation to attend every single practice (no excuses) is irrational. That's the norm.

Maybe his tone/approach is a bit harsh. Sounds like my son's Freshman Football coach.

My oldest in Varsity Soccer learned in JV a few years ago, No excuses, mean no excuses.

Why should coaches demand so much of athletes that they can’t attend to their studies (seeing a tutor), or health (making doctor appointments) or participate in other activities? It’s not sustainable and makes for an unhappy team.

If the kids cannot fully commit they should leave the spot for another kid who is willing to fully commit 2/3 months of the year. Tutors can be arranged after 6pm. Doctors appointment can be done early in the morning, etc. Believe me as a parent, I've done it.

It makes zero sense to miss a class for a doctor appointment instead of missing one sports practice.

Adding onto the topic of Mascot Block, there is also Advisory where they have the lessons on feelings and SEL topics. I make appointments for that time to avoid missing class or practice. It’s every other day.

[Anonymous]

OP, I'm sorry your DD was berated by the coach and that people on this thread are taking his side. Let's get serious, it's just a JV team, not the US National pool! Your DD is a student first and unless she's a rock star player who will be recruited at her choice of schools, her grades and GPA will matter much, much more than being on a HS soccer team. Please help her focus on her future and make decisions accordingly. If the coach can't understand the situation, he's not putting her best interests first. You should teach her how to do that now. My HS aged DD has played on an organized team since K and soccer coaches always seem to be a few cards short of a full deck. But, if your DD has played at a high level, you know the coach will bend the rules for certain players, and that missing 2 hrs of practice isn't going to make or break her HS career. This team is just one aspect of her HS experience and it doesn't have to be the main event. You and your DD get to decide how she spends her time. I hope her academics are the priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm sorry your DD was berated by the coach and that people on this thread are taking his side. Let's get serious, it's just a JV team, not the US National pool! Your DD is a student first and unless she's a rock star player who will be recruited at her choice of schools, her grades and GPA will matter much, much more than being on a HS soccer team. Please help her focus on her future and make decisions accordingly. If the coach can't understand the situation, he's not putting her best interests first. You should teach her how to do that now. My HS aged DD has played on an organized team since K and soccer coaches always seem to be a few cards short of a full deck. But, if your DD has played at a high level, you know the coach will bend the rules for certain players, and that missing 2 hrs of practice isn't going to make or break her HS career. This team is just one aspect of her HS experience and it doesn't have to be the main event. You and your DD get to decide how she spends her time. I hope her academics are the priority.

None of this happened to OP’s child. OP’s child is apparently distressed about the treatment of her teammate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm sorry your DD was berated by the coach and that people on this thread are taking his side. Let's get serious, it's just a JV team, not the US National pool! Your DD is a student first and unless she's a rock star player who will be recruited at her choice of schools, her grades and GPA will matter much, much more than being on a HS soccer team. Please help her focus on her future and make decisions accordingly. If the coach can't understand the situation, he's not putting her best interests first. You should teach her how to do that now. My HS aged DD has played on an organized team since K and soccer coaches always seem to be a few cards short of a full deck. But, if your DD has played at a high level, you know the coach will bend the rules for certain players, and that missing 2 hrs of practice isn't going to make or break her HS career. This team is just one aspect of her HS experience and it doesn't have to be the main event. You and your DD get to decide how she spends her time. I hope her academics are the priority.

Even rock star players get career ending injuries. Academics should always come first in high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not saying it is right -- but, yes, these are the expectations for high school soccer in our area.

Well it shouldn't be. They are STUDENT athletes. And the student should come first.

You obviously don't have a kid doing Sports at all. The expectations/commitment is that you do both.

So next time, give some respect to kids and their families who are doing it. It is not for everyone for sure, but please don't take away a spot from someone who is whiling to give 100%.

#soccermom

My kid is on a state championship winning team and also plays at a high level in travel. Our HS team practices weekends, does tournaments, as well as other team related events. So watch your assumptions, soccer mom.

And even our coach makes allowances for school and medical related appointments.

Volleyball mom and I don't agree with you. Agree with top mom. This is a competitive sport. Appointments should be scheduled around practice unless an emergency. Also coached myself for four years.

I don't care what you agree with. My coaches make the allowance and DC plays at the top of the sport (in national, selection only tournaments). So, I understand competitive. That doesn't mean we sacrifice every other bit of open space for the sport. It just doesn't

You do you and leave my DC to me. It's working as is for us.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not saying it is right -- but, yes, these are the expectations for high school soccer in our area.

Well it shouldn't be. They are STUDENT athletes. And the student should come first.

As with other extracurriculars, one of the great things about participating in sports while in school is that it helps teach time management and helps develop executive functioning skills. Kids participating on teams need to know their calendars so they can schedule appointments appropriately so they don't interfere with other commitments, including their athletic commitments. There is almost always more than one slot available to schedule an appointment, be it for tutoring, medical reasons, etc. If you cannot or will not think about how your practice or game schedule factors into your other activities, then high school sports is not for you.

Almost always, no. Nice that you have a kid without needs for regular medical appointments or struggling in a subject. It's HS sports, not the NCAA.

Then your kid should stick to rec or take the season off. High school sports aren't a good fit for kids struggling in school because it's a commitment.

My kid is just fine. HS sports is not the NCAA or a professional experience. So yes, they can miss a practice for medical issues. I'd love to hear the coach make the case for a kid with medical issues not being able to miss practice and look like the a-hole they are. That would be a delight to watch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not saying it is right -- but, yes, these are the expectations for high school soccer in our area.

Well it shouldn't be. They are STUDENT athletes. And the student should come first.

You obviously don't have a kid doing Sports at all. The expectations/commitment is that you do both.

So next time, give some respect to kids and their families who are doing it. It is not for everyone for sure, but please don't take away a spot from someone who is whiling to give 100%.

#soccermom

#gag

NP. You just come across as a person with little drive, little discipline, and poor organizational skills. Of this is your mentality, and it’s shared by your kid…they won’t be moving ahead in sports or elsewhere where there is a competitive component.

Not the poster you're responding to but, he/she really doesn't come across like that as well. #soccermom came off as a judgment, smug harpie. And an ignorant one at that as her experience is not the same for other parents of high performing athletes.

[Anonymous]

Yes
Sports is the very last place in public school where students are actually expected to adhere to decent values like honoring your commitments to something other than your own self.
You admit practice is only 2 hours out of the day. So the test and tutors couldn't be scheduled for any of the other 22 hours?
My kids have played intense sports and managed to do makeup tests before school, during lunch or free periods and doctors appointments etc during other hours.
I was thrilled to have them get a real life understanding of the commitments and sacrifices that are needed to excel in other areas of life.
Keep your meddling, snowflake coddling Karen hands off sports culture. The meddling has ruined every other aspect of public school.
Please and thanks.

[Anonymous]

School and academics need to come first, shame on that coach. School sports should never be the priority. Come college, few of these kids will even play at all anymore, not even for fun.

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Anonymous wrote:17:52 again. I’m a parent but also a high school teacher. Students do not miss practice to take a test after school. Ever. They come to Mascot Period. Which school is this that regularly has kids missing practice to make up tests?

What is a "Mascot period?"

Every school has a study hall block for every student where they can use as a study hall or go see teachers for help. It’s usually the Mascot name. For example at Madison it is called Warhawk Time. Some use this efficiently. Others use it to socialize.

No, not "every school." My kid's (Virginia public) high school does not have this.