Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

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Anonymous wrote:1) Their foreign studies school is phenomenal
2) How many of the cross-admits cited apply for anything but pre-med or foreign studies
3) No sane kid outside of those majors or a lacrosse recruit chooses 4 years at the University of Chicago of Baltimore over the Harvard of the South.

Duke wins the lacrosse recruit battle over Hopkins too.

Who cares? We're still a much better academic and research institution than Duke. Makes no sense why parents would send their kids to Duke if they also got into Hopkins. Maybe their kids aren't serious about studying, because the only real knock on Hopkins is that it's hard and not everyone can handle it. The campus and its safety are fine and just fake problems being created by people who never actually went there. Duke is better for kids looking to get a degree while ensuring they have time to party 3+ times a week.

I have a degree from Johns Hopkins and taught at a top boarding school in the DMV for 11 years, and I will say you are improperly characterizing both schools. Hopkins is hard, but there is still plenty of opportunity for fun. On the other hand, while I've never studied at Duke, I know they attract very intelligent and serious students and not just party animals; the best kid I ever taught ended up going to Duke for his undergraduate degree. He was a very serious, inquisitive, and dedicated student who is now a top researcher at a government lab. His work in DNA sequencing has been fundamental to many of our most important technologies and their applications such as CRISPR.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

So what? Of the schools that place after it on your silly list, Hopkins is less prestigious than Penn, Caltech, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and Columbia. You could make a strong case for Cornell, Notre Dame, Georgetown, and Berkeley.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

Can someone explain what these numbers mean?

Cross-admit data, with percentages for what proportion of kids choose which school when accepted at both.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

So what? Of the schools that place after it on your silly list, Hopkins is less prestigious than Penn, Caltech, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and Columbia. You could make a strong case for Cornell, Notre Dame, Georgetown, and Berkeley.

What is the source or data you use for your list based on prestige?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

Can someone explain what these numbers mean?

Cross-admit data, with percentages for what proportion of kids choose which school when accepted at both.

Is that data verified? I sometimes see people on DCUM heavily relying on Parchment info.

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I used to like reviewing the old US News reputation rankings since people really do care about pure reputation and prestige. Interestingly, Hopkins scored higher than Duke reputation wise in the version I could find with a quick Google search (2013):
https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2013/02/28/which-universities-are-ranked-highest-by-college-officials

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

So what? Of the schools that place after it on your silly list, Hopkins is less prestigious than Penn, Caltech, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and Columbia. You could make a strong case for Cornell, Notre Dame, Georgetown, and Berkeley.

What is the source or data you use for your list based on prestige?

lol

source = my gut feeling as a white guy who grew up UMC in the northeast and who played a sport at harvard

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

+1 I don't actually know anyone who believes JHU is more prestigious for undergrad than Duke.

Apparently USNWR does. But don’t worry, nobody pays any attention to them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1) Their foreign studies school is phenomenal
2) How many of the cross-admits cited apply for anything but pre-med or foreign studies
3) No sane kid outside of those majors or a lacrosse recruit chooses 4 years at the University of Chicago of Baltimore over the Harvard of the South.

Duke wins the lacrosse recruit battle over Hopkins too.

Dook is the Rutgers of the South.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

All I can say is some people are really delusional. If anything, for undergrad Duke is in a different league than JHU. For undergrad prestige Duke is as good as it gets, very up there. I've lived in multiple parts of the country too and Duke is well known as a top school for really smart kids who also happen to be charismatic, while JHU is mostly known as being a good medical school, and that's the truth about the lay prestige of both. Don't ask me how or why this happened though, couldn't tell you. Unfortunately I've never been close to anyone who went to either school, so this is just off what I've seen in general.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.