Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Crummy city/location and zero real world layman prestige. If it wasn’t a “US News top 15” nobody would care about it. Exact same with UChicago.

Actually the undergraduate campus is beautiful and in a very nice part of the city, equivalent to NW DC.

Yeah nah just look at a Baltimore crime map and you’ll see the campus is not in a nice area.

Or you could actually visit because it sounds like you never stepped foot on campus.

I have been there many times, and every time I notice within a few blocks of campus there are a plethora of homeless people and twitching drug addicts. Ideal environment for your college kid! 🙄

There are definitely parts of Baltimore where you can find that but none that are within a few blocks of campus.

🤷‍♂️ Saw it with my own eyes.

Mine too. It was a quick no. Absolutely no.

Amazing, because I went to Hopkins and currently live less than a mile away from campus, and have not seen that near the undergrad campus in a 20 year period.

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Well, it is your neighborhood…so do you think that could impact your perception? And that your perception could influence your willingness to live there?

Duh

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Anonymous wrote:Neighborhood and campus vibe/tour guide led to a big no for mine

Your kid wasn't getting in anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Neighborhood and campus vibe/tour guide led to a big no for mine

Your kid wasn't getting in anyway.

We were there in July. I mean no disrespect. The campus was lovely. The neighborhood and shops within a few blocks were nice. But roughly 5 blocks away, everything changed dramatically. I’m from a metro area and don’t scare easily. It was bad. The odds of my kids getting in, to answer your snark, were as low as any other high performing, all around nice person. Low. But my first is happy at a similar reach. My second is applying to a “target” even tho his stats are better than his sisters. Because he likes it. And if he gets in, no matter that his stats could have earned him a lottery ticket, he will be grateful.

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1) Their foreign studies school is phenomenal
2) How many of the cross-admits cited apply for anything but pre-med or foreign studies
3) No sane kid outside of those majors or a lacrosse recruit chooses 4 years at the University of Chicago of Baltimore over the Harvard of the South.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

JHU does not beat out Cornell though? It's pretty much 50-50.

I disagree, Cornell definitely considers us a threat and we likely take a large number of cross-admits from them.

As a Cornell alum, I can confidently say we don't really view JHU as a "threat" for taking our admitted students. Truthfully from the perspective of Ivy League schools, we mostly only worry about losing students to each other, and very few schools outside of the Ivy League are considered equivalent "threats." But don't take my word for it, from our own financial aid website (https://finaid.cornell.edu/special-circumstances/appealing-your-aid-decision): "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit." From the original release announcing and defending this policy: "Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." So we really only consider Stanford, Duke, and MIT to be serious competitors outside of the Ivy League. But that is understandable because many of the Ivies feel that way about those 3 schools. Of course, JHU is still a great school and I'm sure many people deciding between JHU and Cornell have a very difficult time deciding.

Wow Cornell just laid it all out there. More schools should follow in their footsteps.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at some cross-admit data and I was shocked by how poorly JHU does in attracting students away from peer schools. Does anyone have any insight into why this might be?

Baltimore is the murder capital of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:1) Their foreign studies school is phenomenal
2) How many of the cross-admits cited apply for anything but pre-med or foreign studies
3) No sane kid outside of those majors or a lacrosse recruit chooses 4 years at the University of Chicago of Baltimore over the Harvard of the South.

Duke wins the lacrosse recruit battle over Hopkins too.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

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My kid wouldn't even apply. She wasn't fazed by safety of neighborhood but it is boring-- nothing to go to nearby. And she head on campus is boring. Kids senior to her in school said it wasn't fun.

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Anonymous wrote:1) Their foreign studies school is phenomenal
2) How many of the cross-admits cited apply for anything but pre-med or foreign studies
3) No sane kid outside of those majors or a lacrosse recruit chooses 4 years at the University of Chicago of Baltimore over the Harvard of the South.

Duke wins the lacrosse recruit battle over Hopkins too.

Who cares? We're still a much better academic and research institution than Duke. Makes no sense why parents would send their kids to Duke if they also got into Hopkins. Maybe their kids aren't serious about studying, because the only real knock on Hopkins is that it's hard and not everyone can handle it. The campus and its safety are fine and just fake problems being created by people who never actually went there. Duke is better for kids looking to get a degree while ensuring they have time to party 3+ times a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Holy shit. No one cares that much about USNWR. If you think JHU being 3 spots ahead of Duke on USNWR makes it more prestigious than Duke for undergrad, I don't know what to tell you. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. But who am I to say anything, I only went to GW.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

+1 I don't actually know anyone who believes JHU is more prestigious for undergrad than Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

Can someone explain what these numbers mean?