Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its ranking leads to many students who would prefer not to attend to still apply.

It being in a major American city would generally be a plus point, but Baltimore is so crime-ridden and run down that it scares parents and students away.

It's known as a pre-med gindfest. Unlike rigorous Chicago, there's no aspect of "love of learning". It's all about getting into med school.

It's less of a university with a medical school attached and more of a medical school with a university attached. As a result, the undergraduate school isn't particularly accommodative or attentive to undergrads to the extent that similar schools are (Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, etc.)

Med school isn’t attached — it’s located in another part of town. And faculty (most of whom have zero connection to the med school) are attentive to (interested) undergrads.

Hopkins is one of those schools where people who know nothing about it feel very comfortable posting totally inaccurate opinions.
Hopkins has a really pretty undergrad campus with active Greek life and strong division 1 and 3 sports. Lots of student athletes.

Many of the undergraduate programs are highly ranked independent of their graduate schools, including international studies and writing seminars, many engineering majors and of course, the natural sciences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

I agree. Stanford, MIT, etc are the JHU peers schools winning the cross admits.

[Anonymous]

All self-reported data, correct?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at some cross-admit data and I was shocked by how poorly JHU does in attracting students away from peer schools. Does anyone have any insight into why this might be?

Sounds to me like you're wrong about what Hopkins' "peer schools" actually are.

What do you think the peer schools are then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, then paragon data is not the best. But Hopkins beats out most of the schools ranked 11-20, including Vandy, on cross admits. It’s very difficult for any school to do well agains the Ivys, Stanford and Duke in cross admits.

Yes I agree it's hard for any school to beat out those schools, so that's not an issue in itself, but the magnitude by which we lose cross-admits is kind of shocking. I get that Stanford and Duke are better than many Ivies, but losing 80+% of cross-admits to them is frankly disappointing, especially since we've been ranked around Duke (and now higher) for a few years now on US News.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First, then paragon data is not the best. But Hopkins beats out most of the schools ranked 11-20, including Vandy, on cross admits. It’s very difficult for any school to do well agains the Ivys, Stanford and Duke in cross admits.

Yes I agree it's hard for any school to beat out those schools, so that's not an issue in itself, but the magnitude by which we lose cross-admits is kind of shocking. I get that Stanford and Duke are better than many Ivies, but losing 80+% of cross-admits to them is frankly disappointing, especially since we've been ranked around Duke (and now higher) for a few years now on US News.

The data is self reported and old. Garbage on, garbage out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

OP here, some of those numbers are honestly a bit surprising but I would say it's okay to consider some of those schools a peer. Emory is the outlier though, I don't think they're a peer by any metric.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First, then paragon data is not the best. But Hopkins beats out most of the schools ranked 11-20, including Vandy, on cross admits. It’s very difficult for any school to do well agains the Ivys, Stanford and Duke in cross admits.

Yes I agree it's hard for any school to beat out those schools, so that's not an issue in itself, but the magnitude by which we lose cross-admits is kind of shocking. I get that Stanford and Duke are better than many Ivies, but losing 80+% of cross-admits to them is frankly disappointing, especially since we've been ranked around Duke (and now higher) for a few years now on US News.

I understand your grievance, but a high US News ranking does not directly correlate to what schools kids and their parents prefer. This has been shown time-and-time again. There was a lengthy period where Princeton was ranked #1 and MIT was ranked #7, and MIT still handily beat Princeton for cross-admits. Even last year, when Columbia was ranked #2 and Stanford was ranked #6, Stanford was still winning close to 80% of cross-admits from Columbia. The people "in the know" who truly understand which schools are better than others are the majority of the accepted students to these top schools, and their understanding often doesn't correlate with what US News says. Instead their knowledge comes from generations of information passed down or by direct observations in industry/leadership positions - US News is taken most literally by people new to elite education in America who don't have this prior knowledge to rely on. Instead the "people in the know" understand schools like Duke and Caltech are better than what their US News rankings are, while other schools are not really as good as their US News ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Recruit the next Coach K and switch to D1 for basketball? Duke got crazy amounts of free publicity for decades due to its basketball success.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, then paragon data is not the best. But Hopkins beats out most of the schools ranked 11-20, including Vandy, on cross admits. It’s very difficult for any school to do well agains the Ivys, Stanford and Duke in cross admits.

Yes I agree it's hard for any school to beat out those schools, so that's not an issue in itself, but the magnitude by which we lose cross-admits is kind of shocking. I get that Stanford and Duke are better than many Ivies, but losing 80+% of cross-admits to them is frankly disappointing, especially since we've been ranked around Duke (and now higher) for a few years now on US News.

I understand your grievance, but a high US News ranking does not directly correlate to what schools kids and their parents prefer. This has been shown time-and-time again. There was a lengthy period where Princeton was ranked #1 and MIT was ranked #7, and MIT still handily beat Princeton for cross-admits. Even last year, when Columbia was ranked #2 and Stanford was ranked #6, Stanford was still winning close to 80% of cross-admits from Columbia. The people "in the know" who truly understand which schools are better than others are the majority of the accepted students to these top schools, and their understanding often doesn't correlate with what US News says. Instead their knowledge comes from generations of information passed down or by direct observations in industry/leadership positions - US News is taken most literally by people new to elite education in America who don't have this prior knowledge to rely on. Instead the "people in the know" understand schools like Duke and Caltech are better than what their US News rankings are, while other schools are not really as good as their US News ranking.

Bloviate much?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, then paragon data is not the best. But Hopkins beats out most of the schools ranked 11-20, including Vandy, on cross admits. It’s very difficult for any school to do well agains the Ivys, Stanford and Duke in cross admits.

Yes I agree it's hard for any school to beat out those schools, so that's not an issue in itself, but the magnitude by which we lose cross-admits is kind of shocking. I get that Stanford and Duke are better than many Ivies, but losing 80+% of cross-admits to them is frankly disappointing, especially since we've been ranked around Duke (and now higher) for a few years now on US News.

I understand your grievance, but a high US News ranking does not directly correlate to what schools kids and their parents prefer. This has been shown time-and-time again. There was a lengthy period where Princeton was ranked #1 and MIT was ranked #7, and MIT still handily beat Princeton for cross-admits. Even last year, when Columbia was ranked #2 and Stanford was ranked #6, Stanford was still winning close to 80% of cross-admits from Columbia. The people "in the know" who truly understand which schools are better than others are the majority of the accepted students to these top schools, and their understanding often doesn't correlate with what US News says. Instead their knowledge comes from generations of information passed down or by direct observations in industry/leadership positions - US News is taken most literally by people new to elite education in America who don't have this prior knowledge to rely on. Instead the "people in the know" understand schools like Duke and Caltech are better than what their US News rankings are, while other schools are not really as good as their US News ranking.

Ok fair point US News isn't meant to be taken literally but it surely has some effect since it's so widely used and cited. I would agree that the richer people I know do not care about US News though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, then paragon data is not the best. But Hopkins beats out most of the schools ranked 11-20, including Vandy, on cross admits. It’s very difficult for any school to do well agains the Ivys, Stanford and Duke in cross admits.

Yes I agree it's hard for any school to beat out those schools, so that's not an issue in itself, but the magnitude by which we lose cross-admits is kind of shocking. I get that Stanford and Duke are better than many Ivies, but losing 80+% of cross-admits to them is frankly disappointing, especially since we've been ranked around Duke (and now higher) for a few years now on US News.

I understand your grievance, but a high US News ranking does not directly correlate to what schools kids and their parents prefer. This has been shown time-and-time again. There was a lengthy period where Princeton was ranked #1 and MIT was ranked #7, and MIT still handily beat Princeton for cross-admits. Even last year, when Columbia was ranked #2 and Stanford was ranked #6, Stanford was still winning close to 80% of cross-admits from Columbia. The people "in the know" who truly understand which schools are better than others are the majority of the accepted students to these top schools, and their understanding often doesn't correlate with what US News says. Instead their knowledge comes from generations of information passed down or by direct observations in industry/leadership positions - US News is taken most literally by people new to elite education in America who don't have this prior knowledge to rely on. Instead the "people in the know" understand schools like Duke and Caltech are better than what their US News rankings are, while other schools are not really as good as their US News ranking.

Bloviate much?

OP here, no I understand the point and it's probably a fair one. US News can't be taken literally but I think the boost in ranking will still help us.