Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

lmao

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

lmao

Cornell is lucky they picked the right sports conference long ago...

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

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JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is comical...

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JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is comical...

Did Yale get the memo about this established grouping?

How can the Cornell of the South be in a grouping above Cornell ?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid wouldn't even apply. She wasn't fazed by safety of neighborhood but it is boring-- nothing to go to nearby. And she head on campus is boring. Kids senior to her in school said it wasn't fun.

There actually are a lot of bars and restaurants either within walking distance on Saint Paul Street or university Boulevard, or a short Uber ride away (Hampden or Towson). Fell’s Point and Federal Hill more like 15 minutes away, The Baltimore Muesum of Art abuts the campus. Not sure what she saw or was looking for.

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Because it is a hard school.

People want to coast in life.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

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JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

This is comical...

What's comical about it? JHU is not past Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

Nope, we're better than every school you listed as a "peer." Even the schools you listed above us I can concede might be considered peers, but not all of them. Yale has prestige but it's easily the worst out of the "HYPSM" group and we destroy it for most STEM subjects, which is most important in today's day and age. Penn is a glorified business school. Duke is a basketball/party school for kids who couldn't cut it at a school like Hopkins. Columbia is not even in this discussion - it's #18 on USNWR, we're #7, it's a backup like Cornell. This is the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

Hopkins should consider all of the schools listed as peers.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.

I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.

Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.

Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.

GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

Cross-Admit Data with Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

Now, since you love rankings so much, let's compare undergraduate rankings by the 5 most popular publications.

JHU College Rankings

USNWR: 7
WSJ/THE: 9
Forbes: 18
Niche: 21
Washington Monthly: 23

Cornell College Rankings (picking Cornell as the Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 17
WSJ/THE: 11
Forbes: 16
Niche: 23
Washington Monthly: 8

Duke College Rankings (picking Duke as the non-Ivy Representative because you seem to have the most problem with them)

USNWR: 10
WSJ/THE: 5
Forbes: 9
Niche: 8
Washington Monthly: 5

JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.

Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.

I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.

JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.

Nope, we're better than every school you listed as a "peer." Even the schools you listed above us I can concede might be considered peers, but not all of them. Yale has prestige but it's easily the worst out of the "HYPSM" group and we destroy it for most STEM subjects, which is most important in today's day and age. Penn is a glorified business school. Duke is a basketball/party school for kids who couldn't cut it at a school like Hopkins. Columbia is not even in this discussion - it's #18 on USNWR, we're #7, it's a backup like Cornell. This is the truth.

You sound really angry. Did you forget to take your meds or something?

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This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

Thank goodness we have an expert to give us real ranking! And an expert in both national universities and liberal arts colleges too...
Do you have a real ranking for business and law schools as well?

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You sound really angry. Did you forget to take your meds or something?

I'm not the PP but does this comment serve any purpose on the thread? It just made this poster look worse than that last

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This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.

Thank goodness we have an expert to give us real ranking! And an expert in both national universities and liberal arts colleges too...
Do you have a real ranking for business and law schools as well?



Law and business school rankings are generally agreed upon and accepted by everyone and haven't really changed in many years.