Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

I have no horse in this race but I'm sorry, Johns Hopkins does not have better prestige than Duke for undergrad studies. Med school is a different story, and Johns Hopkins is up there with Harvard for med school prestige.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

JHU does not beat out Cornell though? It's pretty much 50-50.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

I have no horse in this race but I'm sorry, Johns Hopkins does not have better prestige than Duke for undergrad studies. Med school is a different story, and Johns Hopkins is up there with Harvard for med school prestige.

USNWR would care to differ. And I have two Duke grads in my immediate family.

[Anonymous]

JHU is only prestigious for med, that’s why. It’s basically a huge hospital that happens to have a university attached to it.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

JHU does not beat out Cornell though? It's pretty much 50-50.

I disagree, Cornell definitely considers us a threat and we likely take a large number of cross-admits from them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JHU is only prestigious for med, that’s why. It’s basically a huge hospital that happens to have a university attached to it.

This is such a misconception, we're prestigious for far more than med. International relations, writing, physics, engineering, etc. I would argue some of the Ivies don't excel in the same breadth of subjects as us.

[Anonymous]

Crummy city/location and zero real world layman prestige. If it wasn’t a “US News top 15” nobody would care about it. Exact same with UChicago.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

I have no horse in this race but I'm sorry, Johns Hopkins does not have better prestige than Duke for undergrad studies. Med school is a different story, and Johns Hopkins is up there with Harvard for med school prestige.

USNWR would care to differ. And I have two Duke grads in my immediate family.

USNWR is not equal to prestige.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

JHU does not beat out Cornell though? It's pretty much 50-50.

I disagree, Cornell definitely considers us a threat and we likely take a large number of cross-admits from them.

As a Cornell alum, I can confidently say we don't really view JHU as a "threat" for taking our admitted students. Truthfully from the perspective of Ivy League schools, we mostly only worry about losing students to each other, and very few schools outside of the Ivy League are considered equivalent "threats." But don't take my word for it, from our own financial aid website (https://finaid.cornell.edu/special-circumstances/appealing-your-aid-decision): "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit." From the original release announcing and defending this policy: "Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." So we really only consider Stanford, Duke, and MIT to be serious competitors outside of the Ivy League. But that is understandable because many of the Ivies feel that way about those 3 schools. Of course, JHU is still a great school and I'm sure many people deciding between JHU and Cornell have a very difficult time deciding.

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Anonymous wrote:Crummy city/location and zero real world layman prestige. If it wasn’t a “US News top 15” nobody would care about it. Exact same with UChicago.

Actually the undergraduate campus is beautiful and in a very nice part of the city, equivalent to NW DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

I have no horse in this race but I'm sorry, Johns Hopkins does not have better prestige than Duke for undergrad studies. Med school is a different story, and Johns Hopkins is up there with Harvard for med school prestige.

USNWR would care to differ. And I have two Duke grads in my immediate family.

USNWR is not equal to prestige.

Yes it does. It has no peer amongst published rankings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Crummy city/location and zero real world layman prestige. If it wasn’t a “US News top 15” nobody would care about it. Exact same with UChicago.

Actually the undergraduate campus is beautiful and in a very nice part of the city, equivalent to NW DC.

Lol this is a huge stretch! Nice try, marketing department!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crummy city/location and zero real world layman prestige. If it wasn’t a “US News top 15” nobody would care about it. Exact same with UChicago.

An entire generation of gifted middle school kids took the SATs as part of the Hopkins talent search. That is prestige burned into the consciousness of gifted kids who are now adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cuz…Baltimore?

Yeah, I was there yesterday.

Many scary parts.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins. 61 , Vandy 39
Hopkins 65, UCLA 35
Hopkins 53, Wash U 47
Hopkins 68, Mich 32
Hopkins 80, Emory 20


Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51

But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?

They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?

Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.

JHU does not beat out Cornell though? It's pretty much 50-50.

I disagree, Cornell definitely considers us a threat and we likely take a large number of cross-admits from them.

As a Cornell alum, I can confidently say we don't really view JHU as a "threat" for taking our admitted students. Truthfully from the perspective of Ivy League schools, we mostly only worry about losing students to each other, and very few schools outside of the Ivy League are considered equivalent "threats." But don't take my word for it, from our own financial aid website (https://finaid.cornell.edu/special-circumstances/appealing-your-aid-decision): "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit." From the original release announcing and defending this policy: "Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." So we really only consider Stanford, Duke, and MIT to be serious competitors outside of the Ivy League. But that is understandable because many of the Ivies feel that way about those 3 schools. Of course, JHU is still a great school and I'm sure many people deciding between JHU and Cornell have a very difficult time deciding.

+1 Also Cornell undergrad here. Outside of other Ivies we've only really lost significant numbers of cross-admits to Stanford, Duke, and MIT. But again, most of the Ivies somewhat struggle against Stanford, Duke, and MIT for various reasons. Johns Hopkins was never in that conversation. It's true we even had to change our financial aid policy to stop the bleeding to Stanford, Duke, and MIT.