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I had no parents in my life. Father abandoned the family. Mother very ill. On my initiative without doing any homework i took an athletic scholarship to Duke, thinking well it is a high ranked school and I can't even go to community college so Duke looked great. I did intuit they had smaller classes and given my very high level of immaturity thought it would help attending class on a frequent basis (turns out athletic departments of any quality enforce going to class).
The education within the four walls of the classroom was very good. The social life for a poor person was awful. Not sure that was so bad because as a scholarship athlete sport comes first, academics second (the scholarships are one year renewable so you better perform at the sport) and social life third. There was time for a social life of a kind, but not for someone like me who was poor. Just not a good fit in that regard. Had quite a few Big 10 offers (I am from the Midwest) that I turned down. Michigan did not have a scholarship available that year - and they were world class, not just national class - in my sport - so I stupidly wrote off the Big 10. I regretted not looking at these 50/60 ranked schools relatively quickly. The social life would have been far better, the quality of the athletic competition about the same or slightly better, and the schools I looked at had majors that interested me that could also lead to immediate post college employment, something I needed being desperately poor. I did go to a very top graduate schoool and did better than I imagined, but really in hindsight it was just a result of being the first time in my life I did not have to focus on athletics. I do wonder if I could have done even better from the Big 10 schools. I was admitted to the honors programs in every one. And Duke, while a great education, had so many well off kids the curriculum was really designed to send a student off to more school after undergrad - perhaps good for many but certainly not for me. Duke dropped its business majors the year before I arrived, and the engineering school was very small (even the facility was small - not the case today). You went there to get a liberal arts degree, and then go on to grad school with its expense and opportunity cost. In any event, school is what you make it no matter where you go, and the right mindset is to get the most out of whatever school you attend. By way of example, in the decades since graduating I have always wondered what would have been a great fit for me. Virginia Tech has a five year program (not easy to get into) where one earns an MS in econ. Enough math for me but not too much. And a real fit. Tech was in an odd conference back then and likely not a place which would have recruited me, although I was clearly beyond their standards. I would be happy if my kid was at a large public and doing well - choices are great and the task of finding your place at a big school is invaluable (I sent my two to Princeton and Michigan, respectively, so I have some perspective). |
My DC graduated from the Blair magnet and we had the same situation in that DC had straight As, perfect SATs, and limited finances. Jeopardizing our financial security was never an option for us as we intend to be fully independent in retirement and we hope, leave some money behind for our kids. For us, the goal wasn't a top-tier university (as defined by USNWR et al) but rather an excellent K-12 education and debt-free undergraduate choices. DC was accepted and got $$$ merit aid everywhere except (not surprisingly) at a few top-tier schools that award merit aid (e.g. WUSTL) and in the end was able to choose from among some excellent LACs, state schools, and UMD's Honors College. Fast-forward, DC is doing very well and has had some amazing undergrad opportunities including research and a great internship and we are confident that it will all work out, including at a highly-rated graduate program when the time comes. All that said, I feel your pain. DC was a high performer and there is so much social pressure for that to be manifested through name-brand schools. It's maddening, honestly. |
You are 52 and this is what's in your head and how you handle it/interact socially? You have issues. |
But yet you still have that giant chip on your shoulder and need to prove you are as good as. Sad. |
? I'm the PP, and not OP. My kid isn't in college yet. DC is a senior, looking at colleges, and they want to apply to expensive top tier. DC is also asking the question "was it worth all that effort in a magnet program to not end up at a top tier". So, yea, I feel guilty if DC can't go to a top tier because of finances. OTH, I have told DC that the effort was worth it given how competitive even public universities are now a days, and that the work load in HS will have more than prepared them for the workload in college such that college might be a breeze, and DC can enjoy their college years, get an internship, work and save money, and not be stressed out. |
It's telling that a) you are still using Gordon Gekko references and b) you use them in a positive way. I think you could use a few humanities classes to help you contextualize and make meaning from films, art and life. I've got a STEM PhD and I would never be so dismissive of liberal arts. I have gotten just as much value from my philosophy and art classes as I did from inorganic chem, differential equations and the like. |
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Why would you feel guilty? For not being richer? For not impoverishing yourself to send them to a school that might not even provide a better education or better prepare them for life? For buying into artificial ranking systems that were designed to sell magazines? For being obsessed with status? There are hundreds of excellent undergraduate institutions in this country, with a variety of programs in a variety of fields. If you can't understand how working hard in high school is "worth it" even if you don't go to one of, what, 20 of them? then your education hasn't been all that great. |
Wow---yes it's worth all that hard work if DC doesn't end up at top tier u!! Your kid learned by being motivated during HS and by working hard, if they are capable of attending "top tier U", they will be just fine. But there is NO reason to put yourself in financial issues to pay for college. It would be rather dumb on your part to put your financial security at risk just for that. Send them to a university you can afford. Yes, it sucks. But so does having to tell your kid, no they cannot have a new car at 16, or travel to Europe over spring break, etc. And if you attend a school that costs $80K, trust me there will be plenty of students who go to Europe/hawaii/caribbean vacations over xmas and spring break. There will always be something your kid cannot afford in life, best that they learn going into debt is not the solution |
| Many parents on this website are also very confused about the purpose of education. |
+1 At some point, kids/students need to learn to learn for the love of learning and because you need to know the material for your career path. Ideally, education is for making you a better person, who loves to learn about the world. Not about ticking the boxes so you can get into a "ranked school" |
many parents on this site don't have family money, came from nothing, and see education as one of the only ways to get out poverty. If you don't need to see education that way, then you are privileged. Lucky you. |
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I understand, OP. My DD is a senior in hs so I empathize.
My husband and I have moved from saying: “What we can afford” to “What we are willing to spend”. You weren’t willing to tap into the inheritance; I am not willing to reduce funding our retirement. |
You are paying $40k even though you aren't high earners, i think its a good compromise. I know very well to do folks who send kids to community colleges because kids didn't get merit, family didn't qualify for aid and parents wanted lux lifestyle more than paying for college. Kid had no say in it. |
| You need to lay off the DC koolaid, OP. It doesn't really matter where your kid goes to school, especially for undergrad. |