Trump vs. DeSantis: who would do the most damage?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree,Desantis is smarter and would cause more damage. With the exception of a hand full of focused, competent people Trump just put in self serving sycophants who didn't really do much.

The ultra conservatives have been busy setting up infrastructure in DC so not to be as flatfooted like in 2016. They are ready and waiting to support either Trump or DeSantis. Media portrayals of Desantis like to paint him as the next Trump, but I think he would be better on some issues such as foreign policy. He is an opportunist just like Trump, but I think there is benefit to having someone who is smarter and more rational as opposed to ego and grievance driven. Trump will have learned from his first term and be more effective at grift and destruction if he is in again.

Trump learns nothing. Ever.

Re: the bolded. You clearly did not pay attention to the whole Disney debacle.

Agree with you that Trump probably didn't learn much, but his family and the people around him will.

Regarding Disney, DeSantis is quite gifted at turning Florida politics into national news. He is also smart enough to know that any serious R contender must appeal to the Trumpy wing and the Disney debacle was red meat for the base. He is building his MAGA bona fides nation-wide and the left-wing media outrage over his antics is playing into these objectives nicely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think DeSantis would do a good job. He doesn't value human life enough for me.

More people die in Florida, even without covid, because over a fifth of its population is over 65. It has the second oldest population in the US.

Yet its covid death heat map looks similsr to Texas, which has one of the youngest populations in the US (3rd youngest).

By comparison, Florida looks like it was spared.

Let's do more comparisons. Maine is the oldest. Vermont is number #4.

There were ways to protect seniors from covid in 2021. DeSantis chose not to employ those methods.

This is total BULLSHIT.
DeSantis did indeed protect the seniors. You are confusing him with Cuomo (NY), Murphy (NJ), Wolf (PA), and Whitmer (MI), all of whom placed COVID + patients in nursing homes.
DeSantis did just the opposite. He ensured nursing homes were the first to get PPE and protected them as well as we knew how at the time.

+1
The revisionist history liberals excel at is really something to behold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DeSantis would do a good job. He doesn't value human life enough for me.

More people die in Florida, even without covid, because over a fifth of its population is over 65. It has the second oldest population in the US.

Yet its covid death heat map looks similsr to Texas, which has one of the youngest populations in the US (3rd youngest).

By comparison, Florida looks like it was spared.

Let's do more comparisons. Maine is the oldest. Vermont is number #4.

There were ways to protect seniors from covid in 2021. DeSantis chose not to employ those methods.

This is total BULLSHIT.
DeSantis did indeed protect the seniors. You are confusing him with Cuomo (NY), Murphy (NJ), Wolf (PA), and Whitmer (MI), all of whom placed COVID + patients in nursing homes.
DeSantis did just the opposite. He ensured nursing homes were the first to get PPE and protected them as well as we knew how at the time.

This is not an informative chart. To determine whether a particular state had an above average rate of deaths in long-term facilities you need to compare the number of deaths to the number of people in each state in a long-term facility, not the state's population. As has been pointed out, some states skew young in their populations and others skew old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DeSantis would do a good job. He doesn't value human life enough for me.

More people die in Florida, even without covid, because over a fifth of its population is over 65. It has the second oldest population in the US.

Yet its covid death heat map looks similsr to Texas, which has one of the youngest populations in the US (3rd youngest).

By comparison, Florida looks like it was spared.

Let's do more comparisons. Maine is the oldest. Vermont is number #4.

There were ways to protect seniors from covid in 2021. DeSantis chose not to employ those methods.

This is total BULLSHIT.
DeSantis did indeed protect the seniors. You are confusing him with Cuomo (NY), Murphy (NJ), Wolf (PA), and Whitmer (MI), all of whom placed COVID + patients in nursing homes.
DeSantis did just the opposite. He ensured nursing homes were the first to get PPE and protected them as well as we knew how at the time.

+1
The revisionist history liberals excel at is really something to behold.

You give them far too much credit. I just think they really aren't that bright.

[Anonymous]

Worrying about the damage Trump or DeSantis might cause is like standing on the deck of the sinking Titanic with no lifeboats left and worrying about what's for dinner tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DeSantis would do a good job. He doesn't value human life enough for me.

More people die in Florida, even without covid, because over a fifth of its population is over 65. It has the second oldest population in the US.

Yet its covid death heat map looks similsr to Texas, which has one of the youngest populations in the US (3rd youngest).

By comparison, Florida looks like it was spared.

Let's do more comparisons. Maine is the oldest. Vermont is number #4.

There were ways to protect seniors from covid in 2021. DeSantis chose not to employ those methods.

This is total BULLSHIT.
DeSantis did indeed protect the seniors. You are confusing him with Cuomo (NY), Murphy (NJ), Wolf (PA), and Whitmer (MI), all of whom placed COVID + patients in nursing homes.
DeSantis did just the opposite. He ensured nursing homes were the first to get PPE and protected them as well as we knew how at the time.

+1
The revisionist history liberals excel at is really something to behold.

You give them far too much credit. I just think they really aren't that bright.

Incredible. Two posters who offer nothing substantive, only insults about intelligence. While missing that 2021 is bolded above.

[Anonymous]

What does 2021 have to do with anything posted? I'll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree,Desantis is smarter and would cause more damage. With the exception of a hand full of focused, competent people Trump just put in self serving sycophants who didn't really do much.

The ultra conservatives have been busy setting up infrastructure in DC so not to be as flatfooted like in 2016. They are ready and waiting to support either Trump or DeSantis. Media portrayals of Desantis like to paint him as the next Trump, but I think he would be better on some issues such as foreign policy. He is an opportunist just like Trump, but I think there is benefit to having someone who is smarter and more rational as opposed to ego and grievance driven. Trump will have learned from his first term and be more effective at grift and destruction if he is in again.

Trump learns nothing. Ever.

Re: the bolded. You clearly did not pay attention to the whole Disney debacle.

Agree with you that Trump probably didn't learn much, but his family and the people around him will.

Regarding Disney, DeSantis is quite gifted at turning Florida politics into national news. He is also smart enough to know that any serious R contender must appeal to the Trumpy wing and the Disney debacle was red meat for the base. He is building his MAGA bona fides nation-wide and the left-wing media outrage over his antics is playing into these objectives nicely.

The Disney thing was pretty brilliant. Parents are increasingly skeptical of the push by companies and special interest groups to push progressive values onto kids, and this was indeed reassurance that DeSantis intends to push back just as hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree,Desantis is smarter and would cause more damage. With the exception of a hand full of focused, competent people Trump just put in self serving sycophants who didn't really do much.

The ultra conservatives have been busy setting up infrastructure in DC so not to be as flatfooted like in 2016. They are ready and waiting to support either Trump or DeSantis. Media portrayals of Desantis like to paint him as the next Trump, but I think he would be better on some issues such as foreign policy. He is an opportunist just like Trump, but I think there is benefit to having someone who is smarter and more rational as opposed to ego and grievance driven. Trump will have learned from his first term and be more effective at grift and destruction if he is in again.

Trump learns nothing. Ever.

Re: the bolded. You clearly did not pay attention to the whole Disney debacle.

Agree with you that Trump probably didn't learn much, but his family and the people around him will.

Regarding Disney, DeSantis is quite gifted at turning Florida politics into national news. He is also smart enough to know that any serious R contender must appeal to the Trumpy wing and the Disney debacle was red meat for the base. He is building his MAGA bona fides nation-wide and the left-wing media outrage over his antics is playing into these objectives nicely.

The Disney thing was pretty brilliant. Parents are increasingly skeptical of the push by companies and special interest groups to push progressive values onto kids, and this was indeed reassurance that DeSantis intends to push back just as hard.

Just so everyone is on the same page as this person and Ron DeSantis, they don’t want gay families to exist, to be able to be discussed. They don’t want real American history discussed. And DeSantis hasn’t gone after women’s rights yet, but he will if given the chance.

What regressives like this person want is White men on top, gays in the closet, Black people in constant danger and women with no rights at all. Only approved books allowed. Only pretend history taught. A poorly educated populace. I could go on but you get the drift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree,Desantis is smarter and would cause more damage. With the exception of a hand full of focused, competent people Trump just put in self serving sycophants who didn't really do much.

The ultra conservatives have been busy setting up infrastructure in DC so not to be as flatfooted like in 2016. They are ready and waiting to support either Trump or DeSantis. Media portrayals of Desantis like to paint him as the next Trump, but I think he would be better on some issues such as foreign policy. He is an opportunist just like Trump, but I think there is benefit to having someone who is smarter and more rational as opposed to ego and grievance driven. Trump will have learned from his first term and be more effective at grift and destruction if he is in again.

Trump learns nothing. Ever.

Re: the bolded. You clearly did not pay attention to the whole Disney debacle.

Agree with you that Trump probably didn't learn much, but his family and the people around him will.

Regarding Disney, DeSantis is quite gifted at turning Florida politics into national news. He is also smart enough to know that any serious R contender must appeal to the Trumpy wing and the Disney debacle was red meat for the base. He is building his MAGA bona fides nation-wide and the left-wing media outrage over his antics is playing into these objectives nicely.

The Disney thing was pretty brilliant. Parents are increasingly skeptical of the push by companies and special interest groups to push progressive values onto kids, and this was indeed reassurance that DeSantis intends to push back just as hard.

Just so everyone is on the same page as this person and Ron DeSantis, they don’t want gay families to exist, to be able to be discussed. They don’t want real American history discussed. And DeSantis hasn’t gone after women’s rights yet, but he will if given the chance.

What regressives like this person want is White men on top, gays in the closet, Black people in constant danger and women with no rights at all. Only approved books allowed. Only pretend history taught. A poorly educated populace. I could go on but you get the drift.

DP.

We don't pay attention to comments like this anymore. Especially when one uses the word, "regressives."
I agree with pp. They eyes of parents have been opened. No going back now. Children do not need to be exposed to the crap that is being pushed by some... and yes, including some teachers.
Just stop with your fear mongering and pushing hate. You are part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DeSantis would do a good job. He doesn't value human life enough for me.

More people die in Florida, even without covid, because over a fifth of its population is over 65. It has the second oldest population in the US.

Yet its covid death heat map looks similsr to Texas, which has one of the youngest populations in the US (3rd youngest).

By comparison, Florida looks like it was spared.

Let's do more comparisons. Maine is the oldest. Vermont is number #4.

There were ways to protect seniors from covid in 2021. DeSantis chose not to employ those methods.

This is total BULLSHIT.
DeSantis did indeed protect the seniors. You are confusing him with Cuomo (NY), Murphy (NJ), Wolf (PA), and Whitmer (MI), all of whom placed COVID + patients in nursing homes.
DeSantis did just the opposite. He ensured nursing homes were the first to get PPE and protected them as well as we knew how at the time.

+1
The revisionist history liberals excel at is really something to behold.

You give them far too much credit. I just think they really aren't that bright.

Incredible. Two posters who offer nothing substantive, only insults about intelligence. While missing that 2021 is bolded above.

No one missed anything. The PP is exactly right - DeSantis protected seniors in nursing homes. The other governors listed did exactly the opposite. Sorry you either aren’t able to comprehend this or simply refuse to acknowledge facts.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Worrying about the damage Trump or DeSantis might cause is like standing on the deck of the sinking Titanic with no lifeboats left and worrying about what's for dinner tomorrow.

Just read this thread. It doesn’t matter who the clown captain will be, we are doomed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree,Desantis is smarter and would cause more damage. With the exception of a hand full of focused, competent people Trump just put in self serving sycophants who didn't really do much.

The ultra conservatives have been busy setting up infrastructure in DC so not to be as flatfooted like in 2016. They are ready and waiting to support either Trump or DeSantis. Media portrayals of Desantis like to paint him as the next Trump, but I think he would be better on some issues such as foreign policy. He is an opportunist just like Trump, but I think there is benefit to having someone who is smarter and more rational as opposed to ego and grievance driven. Trump will have learned from his first term and be more effective at grift and destruction if he is in again.

Trump learns nothing. Ever.

Re: the bolded. You clearly did not pay attention to the whole Disney debacle.

Agree with you that Trump probably didn't learn much, but his family and the people around him will.

Regarding Disney, DeSantis is quite gifted at turning Florida politics into national news. He is also smart enough to know that any serious R contender must appeal to the Trumpy wing and the Disney debacle was red meat for the base. He is building his MAGA bona fides nation-wide and the left-wing media outrage over his antics is playing into these objectives nicely.

The Disney thing was pretty brilliant. Parents are increasingly skeptical of the push by companies and special interest groups to push progressive values onto kids, and this was indeed reassurance that DeSantis intends to push back just as hard.

Just so everyone is on the same page as this person and Ron DeSantis, they don’t want gay families to exist, to be able to be discussed. They don’t want real American history discussed. And DeSantis hasn’t gone after women’s rights yet, but he will if given the chance.

What regressives like this person want is White men on top, gays in the closet, Black people in constant danger and women with no rights at all. Only approved books allowed. Only pretend history taught. A poorly educated populace. I could go on but you get the drift.

DP. I tried to find anything in your post that was even remotely truthful, but you managed to lie about everything. Please provide sources stating all of the boldest. We’ll wait (and wait, and wait…).

[Anonymous]

*bolded

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DeSantis would do a good job. He doesn't value human life enough for me.

More people die in Florida, even without covid, because over a fifth of its population is over 65. It has the second oldest population in the US.

Yet its covid death heat map looks similsr to Texas, which has one of the youngest populations in the US (3rd youngest).

By comparison, Florida looks like it was spared.

Let's do more comparisons. Maine is the oldest. Vermont is number #4.

There were ways to protect seniors from covid in 2021. DeSantis chose not to employ those methods.

This is total BULLSHIT.
DeSantis did indeed protect the seniors. You are confusing him with Cuomo (NY), Murphy (NJ), Wolf (PA), and Whitmer (MI), all of whom placed COVID + patients in nursing homes.
DeSantis did just the opposite. He ensured nursing homes were the first to get PPE and protected them as well as we knew how at the time.

+1
The revisionist history liberals excel at is really something to behold.

You give them far too much credit. I just think they really aren't that bright.

Incredible. Two posters who offer nothing substantive, only insults about intelligence. While missing that 2021 is bolded above.

No one missed anything. The PP is exactly right - DeSantis protected seniors in nursing homes. The other governors listed did exactly the opposite. Sorry you either aren’t able to comprehend this or simply refuse to acknowledge facts.
DP

Read the entire quoted thread. You missed it, too.

Why did Florida have so many covid deaths in 2021 after vaccines were available and after we learned so much about the virus?