Are we sleep walking into nuclear confrontation?

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At this point, it seems as if Biden wants to get into a hot war with Russia.

Do our politicians know about Russia's military doctrine about use of nuclear weapons?
It has very low threshold.
This is more dangers than during Cuban missile crisis.

Nah. It's not. If Russia nukes then they get nuked. Mutually assured destruction.

Russia invaded Ukraine in a war of territorial expansion (and is doing horribly). Russia has committed mass crimes and atrocities on a level comparable to Milosevic and Taylor. Their goal is the complete destuction of the concept of Ukraine. If they want it to stop they can stop it.

I agree.
But, why in the hell is this administration revealing publicly the help they are providing Ukraine? There is no earthly reason to disclose this information.

It confirms speculation that we are indeed in a proxy war. And, it serves no purpose in working to end this conflict.

It promotes the idea that this administration WANTS a direct conflict with Russia.

You have to stand up against people like Putin( and trump). Otherwise they will take everything.

This, in a nutshell. Literally. The nuts equate Russia, all Russian people, and anything Russian with Trump. Even though it is obvious that many Russian people, all over the world, do not support Putin’s attack on Ukraine.

Oh, and war is money. War also serves as a distraction from issues at home.

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At this point, it seems as if Biden wants to get into a hot war with Russia.

Do our politicians know about Russia's military doctrine about use of nuclear weapons?
It has very low threshold.
This is more dangers than during Cuban missile crisis.

Nah. It's not. If Russia nukes then they get nuked. Mutually assured destruction.

Russia invaded Ukraine in a war of territorial expansion (and is doing horribly). Russia has committed mass crimes and atrocities on a level comparable to Milosevic and Taylor. Their goal is the complete destuction of the concept of Ukraine. If they want it to stop they can stop it.

Lets assume they use small tactical nuclear weapon against Ukraine, then what will we do?

Then Russia will have declared a war of agression against the world and a medium sized nuke is used on a comparable site in Russia.

Russia has agency. You don't seem to understand what country is the protagonist in this story.

If we do what you suggested,
We won’t be here to discuss about it.

If we dont then we won't be here to discuss about it (sic)

If we do as you suggest, that would be unilateral unconditional global surrender. Once a nuke is fired in anger (petulance) it's all over anyway. If there is no response then there is no detterent. If you are really scared about this scenario then you need to be praying every night that Russia loses and working to ensure that the entire world stands together opposed to their unprovoked aggressive war of conquest and genocide.

It would be utter insanity to nuke Russia because they used a tactical nuke on Ukraine. Should the US nuke Pakistan if Pakistan nukes India? Should we nuke Israel if they nuke Iran? There is no treaty that requires us to come to the defense of Ukraine, and starting armageddon over a low yield tac nuke is ridiculous. If Russia uses nukes on Ukraine all it will do is further unite the world against Russia and make it that much harder for "neutral" countries like India/China to justify their continued business with them.

Incorrect.

We have the capability for a nuclear decapitation strike on Russia. Doing so would be an act of self-preservation, not insanity.

You don’t know about the Russian dead man’s switch

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At this point, it seems as if Biden wants to get into a hot war with Russia.

Do our politicians know about Russia's military doctrine about use of nuclear weapons?
It has very low threshold.
This is more dangers than during Cuban missile crisis.

Nah. It's not. If Russia nukes then they get nuked. Mutually assured destruction.

Russia invaded Ukraine in a war of territorial expansion (and is doing horribly). Russia has committed mass crimes and atrocities on a level comparable to Milosevic and Taylor. Their goal is the complete destuction of the concept of Ukraine. If they want it to stop they can stop it.

Lets assume they use small tactical nuclear weapon against Ukraine, then what will we do?

Then Russia will have declared a war of agression against the world and a medium sized nuke is used on a comparable site in Russia.

Russia has agency. You don't seem to understand what country is the protagonist in this story.

If we do what you suggested,
We won’t be here to discuss about it.

If we dont then we won't be here to discuss about it (sic)

If we do as you suggest, that would be unilateral unconditional global surrender. Once a nuke is fired in anger (petulance) it's all over anyway. If there is no response then there is no detterent. If you are really scared about this scenario then you need to be praying every night that Russia loses and working to ensure that the entire world stands together opposed to their unprovoked aggressive war of conquest and genocide.

It would be utter insanity to nuke Russia because they used a tactical nuke on Ukraine. Should the US nuke Pakistan if Pakistan nukes India? Should we nuke Israel if they nuke Iran? There is no treaty that requires us to come to the defense of Ukraine, and starting armageddon over a low yield tac nuke is ridiculous. If Russia uses nukes on Ukraine all it will do is further unite the world against Russia and make it that much harder for "neutral" countries like India/China to justify their continued business with them.

India and Pakistan both have nukes. They can take care of each other. If Israel (invaded Iran with the express intent of annexing it, declared that Persian people dont exist and will be wiped out, raped babies, sent Iranians to "filtration camps", and then set off a nuke in Iran for funsies then yes. They're both stupid comparisons that try and bothsides Russia's invasion though.

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At this point, it seems as if Biden wants to get into a hot war with Russia.

Do our politicians know about Russia's military doctrine about use of nuclear weapons?
It has very low threshold.
This is more dangers than during Cuban missile crisis.

Nah. It's not. If Russia nukes then they get nuked. Mutually assured destruction.

Russia invaded Ukraine in a war of territorial expansion (and is doing horribly). Russia has committed mass crimes and atrocities on a level comparable to Milosevic and Taylor. Their goal is the complete destuction of the concept of Ukraine. If they want it to stop they can stop it.

Lets assume they use small tactical nuclear weapon against Ukraine, then what will we do?

Then Russia will have declared a war of agression against the world and a medium sized nuke is used on a comparable site in Russia.

Russia has agency. You don't seem to understand what country is the protagonist in this story.

If we do what you suggested,
We won’t be here to discuss about it.

If we dont then we won't be here to discuss about it (sic)

If we do as you suggest, that would be unilateral unconditional global surrender. Once a nuke is fired in anger (petulance) it's all over anyway. If there is no response then there is no detterent. If you are really scared about this scenario then you need to be praying every night that Russia loses and working to ensure that the entire world stands together opposed to their unprovoked aggressive war of conquest and genocide.

It would be utter insanity to nuke Russia because they used a tactical nuke on Ukraine. Should the US nuke Pakistan if Pakistan nukes India? Should we nuke Israel if they nuke Iran? There is no treaty that requires us to come to the defense of Ukraine, and starting armageddon over a low yield tac nuke is ridiculous. If Russia uses nukes on Ukraine all it will do is further unite the world against Russia and make it that much harder for "neutral" countries like India/China to justify their continued business with them.

Incorrect.

We have the capability for a nuclear decapitation strike on Russia. Doing so would be an act of self-preservation, not insanity.

You don’t know about the Russian dead man’s switch

Are you referring to the nuke hidden in the attic of the Russian embassy in DC?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

At this point, it seems as if Biden wants to get into a hot war with Russia.

Do our politicians know about Russia's military doctrine about use of nuclear weapons?
It has very low threshold.
This is more dangers than during Cuban missile crisis.

Nah. It's not. If Russia nukes then they get nuked. Mutually assured destruction.

Russia invaded Ukraine in a war of territorial expansion (and is doing horribly). Russia has committed mass crimes and atrocities on a level comparable to Milosevic and Taylor. Their goal is the complete destuction of the concept of Ukraine. If they want it to stop they can stop it.

Lets assume they use small tactical nuclear weapon against Ukraine, then what will we do?

Then Russia will have declared a war of agression against the world and a medium sized nuke is used on a comparable site in Russia.

Russia has agency. You don't seem to understand what country is the protagonist in this story.

If we do what you suggested,
We won’t be here to discuss about it.

If we dont then we won't be here to discuss about it (sic)

If we do as you suggest, that would be unilateral unconditional global surrender. Once a nuke is fired in anger (petulance) it's all over anyway. If there is no response then there is no detterent. If you are really scared about this scenario then you need to be praying every night that Russia loses and working to ensure that the entire world stands together opposed to their unprovoked aggressive war of conquest and genocide.

It would be utter insanity to nuke Russia because they used a tactical nuke on Ukraine. Should the US nuke Pakistan if Pakistan nukes India? Should we nuke Israel if they nuke Iran? There is no treaty that requires us to come to the defense of Ukraine, and starting armageddon over a low yield tac nuke is ridiculous. If Russia uses nukes on Ukraine all it will do is further unite the world against Russia and make it that much harder for "neutral" countries like India/China to justify their continued business with them.

Incorrect.

We have the capability for a nuclear decapitation strike on Russia. Doing so would be an act of self-preservation, not insanity.

You don’t know about the Russian dead man’s switch

Are you referring to the nuke hidden in the attic of the Russian embassy in DC?

No, the Russians have a system to detect nuclear detonations in Russian territory and automatically issue launch commands to all of its nuclear missile units. So a decapitation strike would fail to destroy their ability to retaliate.

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Anonymous wrote:Putin once said in an interview “if you stretch rubber band it snaps back”.
I feel like politicians are forgetting we are stretching a nuclear power nation.

Let's not create a policy based on metaphors.

"The Elders tell of a young ball much like you. He bounced three meters in the air. Then he bounced 1.8 meters in the air. Then he bounced four meters in the air. Do I make myself clear?"

Rubber band metaphor was said about NATO expansion .

So if NATO expands, it will snap back?

The reaction to NATO expansion is Putin snapping back.

So the rubberband is both NATO and Putin? You do realize your interpretation makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Putin once said in an interview “if you stretch rubber band it snaps back”.
I feel like politicians are forgetting we are stretching a nuclear power nation.

Let's not create a policy based on metaphors.

"The Elders tell of a young ball much like you. He bounced three meters in the air. Then he bounced 1.8 meters in the air. Then he bounced four meters in the air. Do I make myself clear?"

Rubber band metaphor was said about NATO expansion .

So if NATO expands, it will snap back?

The reaction to NATO expansion is Putin snapping back.

So the rubberband is both NATO and Putin? You do realize your interpretation makes no sense.

Russia = Rubber band.
NATO = Stretcher of the rubber band (Russia).
Snap back = Rubber band (Russia)

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FWIW at this point I think everyone understands that the U.S. is giving Ukraine literally everything except American soldiers. For some reason no one raised a fuss about weapons transfers but somehow intelligence is beyond the pale. What’s the difference?

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FWIW at this point I think everyone understands that the U.S. is giving Ukraine literally everything except American soldiers. For some reason no one raised a fuss about weapons transfers but somehow intelligence is beyond the pale. What’s the difference?

From the piece: (it's not the fact that intelligence is being provided - it is the fact that our people are boasting about it)

Vladimir Putin surely has no illusions about how much the U.S. and NATO are arming Ukraine with material and intelligence, but when American officials start to brag in public about playing a role in killing Russian generals and sinking the Russian flagship, killing many sailors, we could be creating an opening for Putin to respond in ways that could dangerously widen this conflict — and drag the U.S. in deeper than it wants to be.

It is doubly dangerous, senior U.S. officials say, because it is increasingly obvious to them that Putin’s behavior is not as predictable as it has been in the past. And Putin is running out of options for some kind of face-saving success on the ground — or even a face-saving off ramp.

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FWIW at this point I think everyone understands that the U.S. is giving Ukraine literally everything except American soldiers. For some reason no one raised a fuss about weapons transfers but somehow intelligence is beyond the pale. What’s the difference?

Our political class are playing “I dare you” game with Russia.
Yes we did it. What are you going to do about it ?
I don’t think the American people are as aware as they should be about the situation.

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FWIW at this point I think everyone understands that the U.S. is giving Ukraine literally everything except American soldiers. For some reason no one raised a fuss about weapons transfers but somehow intelligence is beyond the pale. What’s the difference?

From the piece: (it's not the fact that intelligence is being provided - it is the fact that our people are boasting about it)

Vladimir Putin surely has no illusions about how much the U.S. and NATO are arming Ukraine with material and intelligence, but when American officials start to brag in public about playing a role in killing Russian generals and sinking the Russian flagship, killing many sailors, we could be creating an opening for Putin to respond in ways that could dangerously widen this conflict — and drag the U.S. in deeper than it wants to be.

It is doubly dangerous, senior U.S. officials say, because it is increasingly obvious to them that Putin’s behavior is not as predictable as it has been in the past. And Putin is running out of options for some kind of face-saving success on the ground — or even a face-saving off ramp.

I see what you’re saying, but this seems like more of a provocation to me, and no one got upset about it:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/28/ukraine-funding-request-congress-biden-00028552?_amp=true

So I guess I just don’t understand why everyone is collectively wringing their hands over the intelligence-sharing.

[Anonymous]

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FWIW at this point I think everyone understands that the U.S. is giving Ukraine literally everything except American soldiers. For some reason no one raised a fuss about weapons transfers but somehow intelligence is beyond the pale. What’s the difference?

From the piece: (it's not the fact that intelligence is being provided - it is the fact that our people are boasting about it)

Vladimir Putin surely has no illusions about how much the U.S. and NATO are arming Ukraine with material and intelligence, but when American officials start to brag in public about playing a role in killing Russian generals and sinking the Russian flagship, killing many sailors, we could be creating an opening for Putin to respond in ways that could dangerously widen this conflict — and drag the U.S. in deeper than it wants to be.

It is doubly dangerous, senior U.S. officials say, because it is increasingly obvious to them that Putin’s behavior is not as predictable as it has been in the past. And Putin is running out of options for some kind of face-saving success on the ground — or even a face-saving off ramp.

Exactly, it is so reckless how the Biden administration is openly bragging about this stuff, I would have thought they would have had more discipline. Provoking Russia like this is just straight up dumb. Putin won’t back down and we need to give him an off ramp while at the same time making him realize that he miscalculated and punish him enough to deter future invasions. Pushing for unconditional victory against Russia is suicidal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putin once said in an interview “if you stretch rubber band it snaps back”.
I feel like politicians are forgetting we are stretching a nuclear power nation.

If it goes nuke not on us. You do not agree to blackmail. The blackmail never would end. You tell Putin fire if you are going to we are tired of listening to you.

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