Coalition4TJ’s request to block TJ admissions process DENIED 6-3 by Supreme Court

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that if we had an equally highly regarded arts and humanities magnet in the western part of the county, it would take some of the pressure off of TJ?

Yes, but it will take time. A magnet school focused on sports & athletics would work faster and probably be more popular.

I doubt any school that isn't ALSO a STEM magnet will take any pressure off TJ. The community that is TJ or bust sees it as the logical step to HYPSM and a $$$ career, and there is basically little overlap between that, and arts/humanities. A sports/athletics school is an interesting idea, as that is one of the remaining hooks to HYPSM, although there are more factors at play there than can be controlled by parents/students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just another example of opportunity hogging by the UMC on display. All these parents would fight tooth and nail to keep AA kids out. It’s just like during desegregation but instead of spitting at the kids, you throw lawsuits. Gross!

This is just ignorance. This is nothing like segregation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just another example of opportunity hogging by the UMC on display. All these parents would fight tooth and nail to keep AA kids out. It’s just like during desegregation but instead of spitting at the kids, you throw lawsuits. Gross!

This is just ignorance. This is nothing like segregation.

Sure, it's a total coincidence that letting AA students into TJ is the action that precipitated the lawsuit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Finally some common sense.

Asian population in a public school was MASSIVELY overrepresented.

They can go back to India, or even Ashburn, and start their own schools.

Pretty sure this is a troll post from a status-quo supporter. Serious pro-reform advocates do not have the attitude indicated in the third line. That's racist garbage.

Please. He just said it out. Your actions speak way louder than words. Asians are making a massive mistake voting 70-80% Democrats which is now driven by self-serving progressives whose only currency is pandering their way to power. They just need to hold their noses if they must and vote Republican. And if they can't do that get some political power among the Democrats. They will be slaughtered otherwise.

The current rise in anti-Asian violence started with Trump and his white Supremacist attitude. But go ahead and vote republican because of TJ.

That's why holding the nose.

There is a lot of white supremacist attitude among democrats too. as proven by the TJ events. it is just masked better.

And it is not just TJ. Republicans or Democrats the lack of political representation among Asians makes them easy targets. This whole putting head down and doing the work is not enough.

Let me get this straight. I'm supposed to ignore the climate denial, misogyny, voter suppression,... of the insurrectionist Republican party, headed by Mr. China Virus himself, and vote for them anyway, because TJ?

Exactly. TJ is a distraction. And the fact that it's working is a scathing indictment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just another example of opportunity hogging by the UMC on display. All these parents would fight tooth and nail to keep AA kids out. It’s just like during desegregation but instead of spitting at the kids, you throw lawsuits. Gross!

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TJ will be dumbed down gradually and it may not become obvious until 4-5 years. It will not be hyper competitive anymore and will consist of much broader range of skill levels instead of extreme academic focus. This is because the new selection process, irrespective of diversity changes, made it much more difficult to identify the STEM talent pool. The TJ cohort will not be much different from any other Honors or AP class at base school and not like what it is now which is probably several steps above.

For example, unweighted GPA that actually make it a disadvantage to take tougher courses (all together only 25% weight), science essay that tests writing skills more than STEM (25% weight) and portrait sheet that only tests writing kills (25% weight) with NO teacher input nor any other items that can put spot light on the student will make it difficult to differentiate students especially from Level IV feeder schools who mostly have similar GPA, but vastly different writing abilities. So, the process may essentially boil down to lottery. Also, since majority of the highly competitive kids especially from feeder schools will completely lose out the other 25% weightage, very few of them will make the final cut.

On the whole, I think the new selection process is likely better for mental health of students and feel the need to sacrifice a lot of personal enjoyments to stay competitive at TJ. However, ranking and overall quality could suffer, which may be ok in the long run. Also, getting selected into TJ will no longer a be a big deal as we will continue see quite a few very smart kids not get in. I am telling my kid the same i.e., except for few electives/labs, he will not really miss out much by going to base HS as he is anyway planning to take mostly honors classes.

TJ is not about being "smart" it's about STEM.

If you say so - then why not just stop all the BS process that claims merit bases selection and just opt for lottery based selection among those who meet the minimum criteria. Then I agree that TJ is all about the interest in STEM and not about being smart. Honestly, I will be fine with it, no question of discrimination and it will be fair for everybody. What do you say????

TJ admissions should be done by lottery. Many other cities/states do it this way. For example, Houston Magnet schools, Debakey and Carnegie Vanguard, are ranked 29th and 44th in the nation. and are done by lottery. The old system relied too much on kids being trained for the tests to get into TJ. If it really was a fair system, you would have seen more of an even distribution across the region as opposed to middle schools in McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly being the main feeder schools.

In addition for the students who do not get into TJ, a catalog of online advanced classes should be provided for students who would like to take some more of the advanced classes TJ teaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ will be dumbed down gradually and it may not become obvious until 4-5 years. It will not be hyper competitive anymore and will consist of much broader range of skill levels instead of extreme academic focus. This is because the new selection process, irrespective of diversity changes, made it much more difficult to identify the STEM talent pool. The TJ cohort will not be much different from any other Honors or AP class at base school and not like what it is now which is probably several steps above.

For example, unweighted GPA that actually make it a disadvantage to take tougher courses (all together only 25% weight), science essay that tests writing skills more than STEM (25% weight) and portrait sheet that only tests writing kills (25% weight) with NO teacher input nor any other items that can put spot light on the student will make it difficult to differentiate students especially from Level IV feeder schools who mostly have similar GPA, but vastly different writing abilities. So, the process may essentially boil down to lottery. Also, since majority of the highly competitive kids especially from feeder schools will completely lose out the other 25% weightage, very few of them will make the final cut.

On the whole, I think the new selection process is likely better for mental health of students and feel the need to sacrifice a lot of personal enjoyments to stay competitive at TJ. However, ranking and overall quality could suffer, which may be ok in the long run. Also, getting selected into TJ will no longer a be a big deal as we will continue see quite a few very smart kids not get in. I am telling my kid the same i.e., except for few electives/labs, he will not really miss out much by going to base HS as he is anyway planning to take mostly honors classes.

TJ is not about being "smart" it's about STEM.

If you say so - then why not just stop all the BS process that claims merit bases selection and just opt for lottery based selection among those who meet the minimum criteria. Then I agree that TJ is all about the interest in STEM and not about being smart. Honestly, I will be fine with it, no question of discrimination and it will be fair for everybody. What do you say????

TJ admissions should be done by lottery. Many other cities/states do it this way. For example, Houston Magnet schools, Debakey and Carnegie Vanguard, are ranked 29th and 44th in the nation. and are done by lottery. The old system relied too much on kids being trained for the tests to get into TJ. If it really was a fair system, you would have seen more of an even distribution across the region as opposed to middle schools in McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly being the main feeder schools.

In addition for the students who do not get into TJ, a catalog of online advanced classes should be provided for students who would like to take some more of the advanced classes TJ teaches.

To clarify, all applicants would need to pass a set of requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ will be dumbed down gradually and it may not become obvious until 4-5 years. It will not be hyper competitive anymore and will consist of much broader range of skill levels instead of extreme academic focus. This is because the new selection process, irrespective of diversity changes, made it much more difficult to identify the STEM talent pool. The TJ cohort will not be much different from any other Honors or AP class at base school and not like what it is now which is probably several steps above.

For example, unweighted GPA that actually make it a disadvantage to take tougher courses (all together only 25% weight), science essay that tests writing skills more than STEM (25% weight) and portrait sheet that only tests writing kills (25% weight) with NO teacher input nor any other items that can put spot light on the student will make it difficult to differentiate students especially from Level IV feeder schools who mostly have similar GPA, but vastly different writing abilities. So, the process may essentially boil down to lottery. Also, since majority of the highly competitive kids especially from feeder schools will completely lose out the other 25% weightage, very few of them will make the final cut.

On the whole, I think the new selection process is likely better for mental health of students and feel the need to sacrifice a lot of personal enjoyments to stay competitive at TJ. However, ranking and overall quality could suffer, which may be ok in the long run. Also, getting selected into TJ will no longer a be a big deal as we will continue see quite a few very smart kids not get in. I am telling my kid the same i.e., except for few electives/labs, he will not really miss out much by going to base HS as he is anyway planning to take mostly honors classes.

TJ is not about being "smart" it's about STEM.

If you say so - then why not just stop all the BS process that claims merit bases selection and just opt for lottery based selection among those who meet the minimum criteria. Then I agree that TJ is all about the interest in STEM and not about being smart. Honestly, I will be fine with it, no question of discrimination and it will be fair for everybody. What do you say????

TJ admissions should be done by lottery. Many other cities/states do it this way. For example, Houston Magnet schools, Debakey and Carnegie Vanguard, are ranked 29th and 44th in the nation. and are done by lottery. The old system relied too much on kids being trained for the tests to get into TJ. If it really was a fair system, you would have seen more of an even distribution across the region as opposed to middle schools in McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly being the main feeder schools.

In addition for the students who do not get into TJ, a catalog of online advanced classes should be provided for students who would like to take some more of the advanced classes TJ teaches.

If the TJ courses are available to all the kids, then TJ doesn't really matter anymore. If so, base HS could actually be beneficial to kids in both ways as they to get all the courses with out having to take a hit while applying for colleges

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ will be dumbed down gradually and it may not become obvious until 4-5 years. It will not be hyper competitive anymore and will consist of much broader range of skill levels instead of extreme academic focus. This is because the new selection process, irrespective of diversity changes, made it much more difficult to identify the STEM talent pool. The TJ cohort will not be much different from any other Honors or AP class at base school and not like what it is now which is probably several steps above.

For example, unweighted GPA that actually make it a disadvantage to take tougher courses (all together only 25% weight), science essay that tests writing skills more than STEM (25% weight) and portrait sheet that only tests writing kills (25% weight) with NO teacher input nor any other items that can put spot light on the student will make it difficult to differentiate students especially from Level IV feeder schools who mostly have similar GPA, but vastly different writing abilities. So, the process may essentially boil down to lottery. Also, since majority of the highly competitive kids especially from feeder schools will completely lose out the other 25% weightage, very few of them will make the final cut.

On the whole, I think the new selection process is likely better for mental health of students and feel the need to sacrifice a lot of personal enjoyments to stay competitive at TJ. However, ranking and overall quality could suffer, which may be ok in the long run. Also, getting selected into TJ will no longer a be a big deal as we will continue see quite a few very smart kids not get in. I am telling my kid the same i.e., except for few electives/labs, he will not really miss out much by going to base HS as he is anyway planning to take mostly honors classes.

TJ is not about being "smart" it's about STEM.

If you say so - then why not just stop all the BS process that claims merit bases selection and just opt for lottery based selection among those who meet the minimum criteria. Then I agree that TJ is all about the interest in STEM and not about being smart. Honestly, I will be fine with it, no question of discrimination and it will be fair for everybody. What do you say????

TJ admissions should be done by lottery. Many other cities/states do it this way. For example, Houston Magnet schools, Debakey and Carnegie Vanguard, are ranked 29th and 44th in the nation. and are done by lottery. The old system relied too much on kids being trained for the tests to get into TJ. If it really was a fair system, you would have seen more of an even distribution across the region as opposed to middle schools in McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly being the main feeder schools.

In addition for the students who do not get into TJ, a catalog of online advanced classes should be provided for students who would like to take some more of the advanced classes TJ teaches.

See I told you. Till it is a lottery people will keep complaining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:eat it, Asra

Don't get too excited. This is only about the stay. We'll see what happens on the merits.

It's possible that the admissions process may be different by then. No way of knowing what will happen for Class of 2027 with a new superintendent coming in. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the admissions office and the school get together with a year of data on the new group and see what, if any, additional inputs to the system would make sense.

SCOTUS may not even grant certiorari to this case when it comes around.

I am class of 2027 and I am kinda glad I have chosen not to apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ will be dumbed down gradually and it may not become obvious until 4-5 years. It will not be hyper competitive anymore and will consist of much broader range of skill levels instead of extreme academic focus. This is because the new selection process, irrespective of diversity changes, made it much more difficult to identify the STEM talent pool. The TJ cohort will not be much different from any other Honors or AP class at base school and not like what it is now which is probably several steps above.

For example, unweighted GPA that actually make it a disadvantage to take tougher courses (all together only 25% weight), science essay that tests writing skills more than STEM (25% weight) and portrait sheet that only tests writing kills (25% weight) with NO teacher input nor any other items that can put spot light on the student will make it difficult to differentiate students especially from Level IV feeder schools who mostly have similar GPA, but vastly different writing abilities. So, the process may essentially boil down to lottery. Also, since majority of the highly competitive kids especially from feeder schools will completely lose out the other 25% weightage, very few of them will make the final cut.

On the whole, I think the new selection process is likely better for mental health of students and feel the need to sacrifice a lot of personal enjoyments to stay competitive at TJ. However, ranking and overall quality could suffer, which may be ok in the long run. Also, getting selected into TJ will no longer a be a big deal as we will continue see quite a few very smart kids not get in. I am telling my kid the same i.e., except for few electives/labs, he will not really miss out much by going to base HS as he is anyway planning to take mostly honors classes.

TJ is not about being "smart" it's about STEM.

If you say so - then why not just stop all the BS process that claims merit bases selection and just opt for lottery based selection among those who meet the minimum criteria. Then I agree that TJ is all about the interest in STEM and not about being smart. Honestly, I will be fine with it, no question of discrimination and it will be fair for everybody. What do you say????

TJ admissions should be done by lottery. Many other cities/states do it this way. For example, Houston Magnet schools, Debakey and Carnegie Vanguard, are ranked 29th and 44th in the nation. and are done by lottery. The old system relied too much on kids being trained for the tests to get into TJ. If it really was a fair system, you would have seen more of an even distribution across the region as opposed to middle schools in McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly being the main feeder schools.

In addition for the students who do not get into TJ, a catalog of online advanced classes should be provided for students who would like to take some more of the advanced classes TJ teaches.

Great idea.

[Anonymous]

Asians are so gullible to fall for this TJ ruse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:eat it, Asra

Don't get too excited. This is only about the stay. We'll see what happens on the merits.

It's possible that the admissions process may be different by then. No way of knowing what will happen for Class of 2027 with a new superintendent coming in. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the admissions office and the school get together with a year of data on the new group and see what, if any, additional inputs to the system would make sense.

SCOTUS may not even grant certiorari to this case when it comes around.

I am class of 2027 and I am kinda glad I have chosen not to apply.

I don't blame you. There are some other great schools out there and, while they may not offer everything that TJ can offer, you actually get to attend a neighborhood school and avoid the constant, exhausting fighting (including at TJ PTSA meetings) about who really "belongs" at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians are so gullible to fall for this TJ ruse.

Please keep this to your self smarty pants! As an asian, I think the new process is bad and not thought through well. I would have been perfectly fine with lottery instead. Or, it would have been much better if fcps allocated quotas to school pyramids (or 'base' middle school) and then with in each pyramid, allocate a set percent to poor kids. Then do all the selections, included allocated, based on GPA and teacher recommendations with out any essays that doesn't really test STEM. If fcps wants to go an extra leg, they could do 50% for school based allocations and leave 50% for open selection. This way, we at least know what to expect rather than giving 25% bonus points to an unknown number of kids. For example, if Franklin gets 10 admissions, we have no idea of knowing if all those 10 kids got in because of the booster points or only a few - it would be better if 3 of the 10 admissions are pre-allocated for poor and 7 for others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:eat it, Asra

Don't get too excited. This is only about the stay. We'll see what happens on the merits.

It's possible that the admissions process may be different by then. No way of knowing what will happen for Class of 2027 with a new superintendent coming in. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the admissions office and the school get together with a year of data on the new group and see what, if any, additional inputs to the system would make sense.

SCOTUS may not even grant certiorari to this case when it comes around.

I am class of 2027 and I am kinda glad I have chosen not to apply.

I don't blame you. There are some other great schools out there and, while they may not offer everything that TJ can offer, you actually get to attend a neighborhood school and avoid the constant, exhausting fighting (including at TJ PTSA meetings) about who really "belongs" at TJ.

+1 also, you may actually have better chances of getting into UVA or others from base school than from TJ.