Coalition4TJ’s request to block TJ admissions process DENIED 6-3 by Supreme Court

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

Thanks for shedding light on this!

Previous poster said the same thing. That whites increased by 26% and Asians decreased by 26%. The fact remains that Asians were wilfully targeted and the stated intent was to reduce them. The fact was upheld in court by a federal judge. Judgment has been appealed by FCPS. And while the appeal is going on, FCPS has gone ahead with a no-test, proxy points given to race admissions process. Racial redistribution and increases in white enrollment achieved. But at what cost for TJ, the institution?

The PP is just making up fictions to support their grievance fantasy. THe actual data is posted above and is nothing like that.

I can't help it if you can't do the math.

you did math, but it was irrelevant and intentionally misleading math

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

Thanks for shedding light on this!

Previous poster said the same thing. That whites increased by 26% and Asians decreased by 26%. The fact remains that Asians were wilfully targeted and the stated intent was to reduce them. The fact was upheld in court by a federal judge. Judgment has been appealed by FCPS. And while the appeal is going on, FCPS has gone ahead with a no-test, proxy points given to race admissions process. Racial redistribution and increases in white enrollment achieved. But at what cost for TJ, the institution?

The PP is just making up fictions to support their grievance fantasy. THe actual data is posted above and is nothing like that.

I can't help it if you can't do the math.

you did math, but it was irrelevant and intentionally misleading math

Yup. Why did PP only share the % changes for two races?

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

Thanks for shedding light on this!

Previous poster said the same thing. That whites increased by 26% and Asians decreased by 26%. The fact remains that Asians were wilfully targeted and the stated intent was to reduce them. The fact was upheld in court by a federal judge. Judgment has been appealed by FCPS. And while the appeal is going on, FCPS has gone ahead with a no-test, proxy points given to race admissions process. Racial redistribution and increases in white enrollment achieved. But at what cost for TJ, the institution?

The PP is just making up fictions to support their grievance fantasy. THe actual data is posted above and is nothing like that.

I can't help it if you can't do the math.

you did math, but it was irrelevant and intentionally misleading math

Yup. Why did PP only share the % changes for two races?

Because they're trying to create a bullsh!t narrative that the biggest beneficiaries of the admissions changes were white folks. They have their own Great Replacement Theory (remember how C4TJ is adjacent to white supremacy?) that the point of these changes is to replace Asians with whites. And the reality is that Black students AND poor Asian students increased by more than a whopping 600%.

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"The Class of 2026 at TJ, as the school is known, will include 550 students accepted from a pool of 2,544 applicants. Of the offers sent to eighth-graders, about 60 percent went to Asian students, 21 percent to White students, 8 percent to Hispanic students and 6 percent to Black students. Roughly 33 percent of offers went to low-income students and 51 percent went to female students."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/25/tj-class-of-2026-data/

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

Thanks for shedding light on this!

Previous poster said the same thing. That whites increased by 26% and Asians decreased by 26%. The fact remains that Asians were wilfully targeted and the stated intent was to reduce them. The fact was upheld in court by a federal judge. Judgment has been appealed by FCPS. And while the appeal is going on, FCPS has gone ahead with a no-test, proxy points given to race admissions process. Racial redistribution and increases in white enrollment achieved. But at what cost for TJ, the institution?

The PP is just making up fictions to support their grievance fantasy. THe actual data is posted above and is nothing like that.

I can't help it if you can't do the math.

you did math, but it was irrelevant and intentionally misleading math

Yup. Why did PP only share the % changes for two races?

Because they're trying to create a bullsh!t narrative that the biggest beneficiaries of the admissions changes were white folks. They have their own Great Replacement Theory (remember how C4TJ is adjacent to white supremacy?) that the point of these changes is to replace Asians with whites. And the reality is that Black students AND poor Asian students increased by more than a whopping 600%.

PP here. You have to go through the thread. I have nothing to do with C4J. I believe representation matters and diversity matters. Wish that were the case with school boards and administration too. Seemed like no one was representing 2/3 of the student body in all these changes! Inconvenient truth?

Absolutely great that Blacks and Hispanics getting more represented at TJ. Could have been done while removing the admissions test and without cruelly vilifying Asian kids. However, that approach was because progressive whites wanted to make sure their kids have it easier without a tough exam. And results showed - data for last year's class being Black/Hispanic went up bigly, Whites up 26% and Asians down 26%.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

Thanks for shedding light on this!

Previous poster said the same thing. That whites increased by 26% and Asians decreased by 26%. The fact remains that Asians were wilfully targeted and the stated intent was to reduce them. The fact was upheld in court by a federal judge. Judgment has been appealed by FCPS. And while the appeal is going on, FCPS has gone ahead with a no-test, proxy points given to race admissions process. Racial redistribution and increases in white enrollment achieved. But at what cost for TJ, the institution?

The PP is just making up fictions to support their grievance fantasy. THe actual data is posted above and is nothing like that.

I can't help it if you can't do the math.

you did math, but it was irrelevant and intentionally misleading math

Yup. Why did PP only share the % changes for two races?

Because they're trying to create a bullsh!t narrative that the biggest beneficiaries of the admissions changes were white folks. They have their own Great Replacement Theory (remember how C4TJ is adjacent to white supremacy?) that the point of these changes is to replace Asians with whites. And the reality is that Black students AND poor Asian students increased by more than a whopping 600%.

PP here. You have to go through the thread. I have nothing to do with C4J. I believe representation matters and diversity matters. Wish that were the case with school boards and administration too. Seemed like no one was representing 2/3 of the student body in all these changes! Inconvenient truth?

Absolutely great that Blacks and Hispanics getting more represented at TJ. Could have been done while removing the admissions test and without cruelly vilifying Asian kids. However, that approach was because progressive whites wanted to make sure their kids have it easier without a tough exam. And results showed - data for last year's class being Black/Hispanic went up bigly, Whites up 26% and Asians down 26%.

I started this thread, friendo. You're cherry-picking numbers to support an unsupportable narrative. When you're in a hole, stop digging.

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Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

Hopefully your kids inherited your spouse’s aptitude for math/critical thinking.

Weak response. You know I am right.

I know that only half of eligible white kids even bother to apply. So your narrative is fiction.

huh? wasn't my narrative. but yeah white kids didn't apply because they were not getting in anyway.

White kids weren’t the greatest beneficiaries and there wasn’t a white parent conspiracy.

Except that the TJ reforms were literally a conspiracy led by a rich White parent. There's hard evidence to back it, documented in court. Gawd I hate this "say whatever it takes to get people to believe you" nonsense.

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I mean, how dumb do you have to be if you are Asian and you vote for the party of "k*ng flu" and "China v*rus". Are you really surprised that Trumps appointees are.... Trumpy?

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

Thanks for shedding light on this!

Previous poster said the same thing. That whites increased by 26% and Asians decreased by 26%. The fact remains that Asians were wilfully targeted and the stated intent was to reduce them. The fact was upheld in court by a federal judge. Judgment has been appealed by FCPS. And while the appeal is going on, FCPS has gone ahead with a no-test, proxy points given to race admissions process. Racial redistribution and increases in white enrollment achieved. But at what cost for TJ, the institution?

The PP is just making up fictions to support their grievance fantasy. THe actual data is posted above and is nothing like that.

I can't help it if you can't do the math.

you did math, but it was irrelevant and intentionally misleading math

Yup. Why did PP only share the % changes for two races?

Because they're trying to create a bullsh!t narrative that the biggest beneficiaries of the admissions changes were white folks. They have their own Great Replacement Theory (remember how C4TJ is adjacent to white supremacy?) that the point of these changes is to replace Asians with whites. And the reality is that Black students AND poor Asian students increased by more than a whopping 600%.

PP here. You have to go through the thread. I have nothing to do with C4J. I believe representation matters and diversity matters. Wish that were the case with school boards and administration too. Seemed like no one was representing 2/3 of the student body in all these changes! Inconvenient truth?

Absolutely great that Blacks and Hispanics getting more represented at TJ. Could have been done while removing the admissions test and without cruelly vilifying Asian kids. However, that approach was because progressive whites wanted to make sure their kids have it easier without a tough exam. And results showed - data for last year's class being Black/Hispanic went up bigly, Whites up 26% and Asians down 26%.

I started this thread, friendo. You're cherry-picking numbers to support an unsupportable narrative. When you're in a hole, stop digging.

Not cherry-picking at all. Those are the numbers. All of them. Not just hiding that ony Asians went down.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

Hopefully your kids inherited your spouse’s aptitude for math/critical thinking.

Weak response. You know I am right.

I know that only half of eligible white kids even bother to apply. So your narrative is fiction.

huh? wasn't my narrative. but yeah white kids didn't apply because they were not getting in anyway.

White kids weren’t the greatest beneficiaries and there wasn’t a white parent conspiracy.

Except that the TJ reforms were literally a conspiracy led by a rich White parent. There's hard evidence to back it, documented in court. Gawd I hate this "say whatever it takes to get people to believe you" nonsense.

Which rich, white parent?

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

Thanks for shedding light on this!

Previous poster said the same thing. That whites increased by 26% and Asians decreased by 26%. The fact remains that Asians were wilfully targeted and the stated intent was to reduce them. The fact was upheld in court by a federal judge. Judgment has been appealed by FCPS. And while the appeal is going on, FCPS has gone ahead with a no-test, proxy points given to race admissions process. Racial redistribution and increases in white enrollment achieved. But at what cost for TJ, the institution?

The PP is just making up fictions to support their grievance fantasy. THe actual data is posted above and is nothing like that.

I can't help it if you can't do the math.

you did math, but it was irrelevant and intentionally misleading math

Yup. Why did PP only share the % changes for two races?

Because they're trying to create a bullsh!t narrative that the biggest beneficiaries of the admissions changes were white folks. They have their own Great Replacement Theory (remember how C4TJ is adjacent to white supremacy?) that the point of these changes is to replace Asians with whites. And the reality is that Black students AND poor Asian students increased by more than a whopping 600%.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

Hopefully your kids inherited your spouse’s aptitude for math/critical thinking.

Weak response. You know I am right.

I know that only half of eligible white kids even bother to apply. So your narrative is fiction.

huh? wasn't my narrative. but yeah white kids didn't apply because they were not getting in anyway.

White kids weren’t the greatest beneficiaries and there wasn’t a white parent conspiracy.

Except that the TJ reforms were literally a conspiracy led by a rich White parent. There's hard evidence to back it, documented in court. Gawd I hate this "say whatever it takes to get people to believe you" nonsense.

Which rich, white parent?

The one that leads (or used to lead? I'm not sure when's his last day) the school board.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

Looking at absolute changes from 2024 to 2025:
+64 overall (486 to 550)

+46 hispanic
+37 white
+29 black
+8 other/mixed
-56 asian

+50 female
+14 male

+142 from underrepresented MSs
-36 private school
-42 well/over represented MSs

+135 economically disadvantaged
-71 non-ED

Here were the specific changes from 2024 to 2025. Haven’t looked at 2026 yet.

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I mean, how dumb do you have to be if you are Asian and you vote for the party of "k*ng flu" and "China v*rus". Are you really surprised that Trumps appointees are.... Trumpy?

Asians don't traditionally vote Republican. But Democrats are not just being highly racist here because they don't fit their narrative. As long as Asians were quite and not encroaching in white people spaces, white progressives were fine with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

Hopefully your kids inherited your spouse’s aptitude for math/critical thinking.

Weak response. You know I am right.

I know that only half of eligible white kids even bother to apply. So your narrative is fiction.

huh? wasn't my narrative. but yeah white kids didn't apply because they were not getting in anyway.

White kids weren’t the greatest beneficiaries and there wasn’t a white parent conspiracy.

Except that the TJ reforms were literally a conspiracy led by a rich White parent. There's hard evidence to back it, documented in court. Gawd I hate this "say whatever it takes to get people to believe you" nonsense.

....no there isn't. Who would that parent even be?

If the reforms were led by anyone, it was the TJ Alumni Action Group, who believe it or not, are overwhelmingly Asian in their leadership.