Coalition4TJ’s request to block TJ admissions process DENIED 6-3 by Supreme Court

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It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

I think you are interpreting this wrong. I am an asian and I am not mad african americans or whites. In fact, I am happy that more african americans are able to get into TJ. What I am mad at is the process fcps implemented with out thinking through much and in fact going with not so explicit target of cutting down asian students from specific feeder schools without saying race anywhere, but old critiera that was taken out or weightage/points given to new criteria so undermine advantages for specific groups of kids. In the end, they came up with a process that could easily eliminate more deserved students vs others as the new process makes it difficult to identify talent. I would rather be so much happier if they just implemented a lottery for all the qualified candidates as it will be totally unbiased and fair.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally some common sense.

Asian population in a public school was MASSIVELY overrepresented.

They can go back to India, or even Ashburn, and start their own schools.

Pretty sure this is a troll post from a status-quo supporter. Serious pro-reform advocates do not have the attitude indicated in the third line. That's racist garbage.

Please. He just said it out. Your actions speak way louder than words. Asians are making a massive mistake voting 70-80% Democrats which is now driven by self-serving progressives whose only currency is pandering their way to power. They just need to hold their noses if they must and vote Republican. And if they can't do that get some political power among the Democrats. They will be slaughtered otherwise.

The current rise in anti-Asian violence started with Trump and his white Supremacist attitude. But go ahead and vote republican because of TJ.

That's why holding the nose.

There is a lot of white supremacist attitude among democrats too. as proven by the TJ events. it is just masked better.

And it is not just TJ. Republicans or Democrats the lack of political representation among Asians makes them easy targets. This whole putting head down and doing the work is not enough.

Let me get this straight. I'm supposed to ignore the climate denial, misogyny, voter suppression,... of the insurrectionist Republican party, headed by Mr. China Virus himself, and vote for them anyway, because TJ?

Exactly. TJ is a distraction. And the fact that it's working is a scathing indictment.

That's what the GOP Is all about.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ will be dumbed down gradually and it may not become obvious until 4-5 years. It will not be hyper competitive anymore and will consist of much broader range of skill levels instead of extreme academic focus. This is because the new selection process, irrespective of diversity changes, made it much more difficult to identify the STEM talent pool. The TJ cohort will not be much different from any other Honors or AP class at base school and not like what it is now which is probably several steps above.

For example, unweighted GPA that actually make it a disadvantage to take tougher courses (all together only 25% weight), science essay that tests writing skills more than STEM (25% weight) and portrait sheet that only tests writing kills (25% weight) with NO teacher input nor any other items that can put spot light on the student will make it difficult to differentiate students especially from Level IV feeder schools who mostly have similar GPA, but vastly different writing abilities. So, the process may essentially boil down to lottery. Also, since majority of the highly competitive kids especially from feeder schools will completely lose out the other 25% weightage, very few of them will make the final cut.

On the whole, I think the new selection process is likely better for mental health of students and feel the need to sacrifice a lot of personal enjoyments to stay competitive at TJ. However, ranking and overall quality could suffer, which may be ok in the long run. Also, getting selected into TJ will no longer a be a big deal as we will continue see quite a few very smart kids not get in. I am telling my kid the same i.e., except for few electives/labs, he will not really miss out much by going to base HS as he is anyway planning to take mostly honors classes.

TJ is not about being "smart" it's about STEM.

If you say so - then why not just stop all the BS process that claims merit bases selection and just opt for lottery based selection among those who meet the minimum criteria. Then I agree that TJ is all about the interest in STEM and not about being smart. Honestly, I will be fine with it, no question of discrimination and it will be fair for everybody. What do you say????

TJ admissions should be done by lottery. Many other cities/states do it this way. For example, Houston Magnet schools, Debakey and Carnegie Vanguard, are ranked 29th and 44th in the nation. and are done by lottery. The old system relied too much on kids being trained for the tests to get into TJ. If it really was a fair system, you would have seen more of an even distribution across the region as opposed to middle schools in McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly being the main feeder schools.

In addition for the students who do not get into TJ, a catalog of online advanced classes should be provided for students who would like to take some more of the advanced classes TJ teaches.

See I told you. Till it is a lottery people will keep complaining.

Agree

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

I think you are interpreting this wrong. I am an asian and I am not mad african americans or whites. In fact, I am happy that more african americans are able to get into TJ. What I am mad at is the process fcps implemented with out thinking through much and in fact going with not so explicit target of cutting down asian students from specific feeder schools without saying race anywhere, but old critiera that was taken out or weightage/points given to new criteria so undermine advantages for specific groups of kids. In the end, they came up with a process that could easily eliminate more deserved students vs others as the new process makes it difficult to identify talent. I would rather be so much happier if they just implemented a lottery for all the qualified candidates as it will be totally unbiased and fair.

it seems more likely because the spots for others have to come from somewhere and with Asians having 70%+ of all spots they were impacted but are still the most well-represented group...

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

Wrong. we are mad at the whites who just used their favorite divide and rule playbook...

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

Wrong. we are mad at the whites who just used their favorite divide and rule playbook...

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

I think you are interpreting this wrong. I am an asian and I am not mad african americans or whites. In fact, I am happy that more african americans are able to get into TJ. What I am mad at is the process fcps implemented with out thinking through much and in fact going with not so explicit target of cutting down asian students from specific feeder schools without saying race anywhere, but old critiera that was taken out or weightage/points given to new criteria so undermine advantages for specific groups of kids. In the end, they came up with a process that could easily eliminate more deserved students vs others as the new process makes it difficult to identify talent. I would rather be so much happier if they just implemented a lottery for all the qualified candidates as it will be totally unbiased and fair.

it seems more likely because the spots for others have to come from somewhere and with Asians having 70%+ of all spots they were impacted but are still the most well-represented group...

It’s not that I don’t get it. Of course the numbers have to come from somewhere. What I am basically pointing at is the new admission process makes it difficult to identify the STEM talent especially when the writing skills (essay and portrait sheet) gets 2X weightage as compared to entire GPA for all courses put together and on top the unweighted GPA discourages taking advanced courses.

You don’t believe me when I say that my kid probably has equal chances of getting in his feeder school compared to some of his friends who are taking Algebra 2 and even pre-cal in 8th grade. Under the older system with teacher input he would have very little chance. But I still think its unfair for my kid to get selected over his much smarter friends (according my kid), if it actually happens.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

Wrong. we are mad at the whites who just used their favorite divide and rule playbook...

Well, if the whites control the school that many Asians are trying to get into, then that's an Asian problem. Why not start a new school and then you can control the admissions process. Is there something special here that can't be replicated?

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

I think you are interpreting this wrong. I am an asian and I am not mad african americans or whites. In fact, I am happy that more african americans are able to get into TJ. What I am mad at is the process fcps implemented with out thinking through much and in fact going with not so explicit target of cutting down asian students from specific feeder schools without saying race anywhere, but old critiera that was taken out or weightage/points given to new criteria so undermine advantages for specific groups of kids. In the end, they came up with a process that could easily eliminate more deserved students vs others as the new process makes it difficult to identify talent. I would rather be so much happier if they just implemented a lottery for all the qualified candidates as it will be totally unbiased and fair.

it seems more likely because the spots for others have to come from somewhere and with Asians having 70%+ of all spots they were impacted but are still the most well-represented group...

It’s not that I don’t get it. Of course the numbers have to come from somewhere. What I am basically pointing at is the new admission process makes it difficult to identify the STEM talent especially when the writing skills (essay and portrait sheet) gets 2X weightage as compared to entire GPA for all courses put together and on top the unweighted GPA discourages taking advanced courses.

You don’t believe me when I say that my kid probably has equal chances of getting in his feeder school compared to some of his friends who are taking Algebra 2 and even pre-cal in 8th grade. Under the older system with teacher input he would have very little chance. But I still think its unfair for my kid to get selected over his much smarter friends (according my kid), if it actually happens.

Actually the new process makes it easier to distinguish natural talent from prep

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

I think you are interpreting this wrong. I am an asian and I am not mad african americans or whites. In fact, I am happy that more african americans are able to get into TJ. What I am mad at is the process fcps implemented with out thinking through much and in fact going with not so explicit target of cutting down asian students from specific feeder schools without saying race anywhere, but old critiera that was taken out or weightage/points given to new criteria so undermine advantages for specific groups of kids. In the end, they came up with a process that could easily eliminate more deserved students vs others as the new process makes it difficult to identify talent. I would rather be so much happier if they just implemented a lottery for all the qualified candidates as it will be totally unbiased and fair.

it seems more likely because the spots for others have to come from somewhere and with Asians having 70%+ of all spots they were impacted but are still the most well-represented group...

It’s not that I don’t get it. Of course the numbers have to come from somewhere. What I am basically pointing at is the new admission process makes it difficult to identify the STEM talent especially when the writing skills (essay and portrait sheet) gets 2X weightage as compared to entire GPA for all courses put together and on top the unweighted GPA discourages taking advanced courses.

You don’t believe me when I say that my kid probably has equal chances of getting in his feeder school compared to some of his friends who are taking Algebra 2 and even pre-cal in 8th grade. Under the older system with teacher input he would have very little chance. But I still think its unfair for my kid to get selected over his much smarter friends (according my kid), if it actually happens.

Actually the new process makes it easier to distinguish natural talent from prep

You don't prep to get into Algebra 2. My DC was adamant that he wanted to take summer FCPS math courses. We obliged and DC was ultimately happy in Algebra 2 in 8th grade.

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I am not speaking for myself but generally. I'm a white woman married to a Korean man. In my lived experience, whites don't like Asians because they're not white (i.e., the white people are racist). Other POCs don't like Asians because of how they believe they kowtow to the whites, who don't even like them, as a way of being closer to whiteness. It's hard for any group to have sympathy for their plight. My children are Asian. Despite my DNA they look Asian and the world will view them as Asian and this dynamic pains me. This whole TJ things is so divisive.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

Wrong. we are mad at the whites who just used their favorite divide and rule playbook...

Well, if the whites control the school that many Asians are trying to get into, then that's an Asian problem. Why not start a new school and then you can control the admissions process. Is there something special here that can't be replicated?

Thanks for the genius advice. very progressive.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny (and sad) how Asians are mad at African Americans while the number of white students getting in hasn't been impacted.

I think you are interpreting this wrong. I am an asian and I am not mad african americans or whites. In fact, I am happy that more african americans are able to get into TJ. What I am mad at is the process fcps implemented with out thinking through much and in fact going with not so explicit target of cutting down asian students from specific feeder schools without saying race anywhere, but old critiera that was taken out or weightage/points given to new criteria so undermine advantages for specific groups of kids. In the end, they came up with a process that could easily eliminate more deserved students vs others as the new process makes it difficult to identify talent. I would rather be so much happier if they just implemented a lottery for all the qualified candidates as it will be totally unbiased and fair.

it seems more likely because the spots for others have to come from somewhere and with Asians having 70%+ of all spots they were impacted but are still the most well-represented group...

It’s not that I don’t get it. Of course the numbers have to come from somewhere. What I am basically pointing at is the new admission process makes it difficult to identify the STEM talent especially when the writing skills (essay and portrait sheet) gets 2X weightage as compared to entire GPA for all courses put together and on top the unweighted GPA discourages taking advanced courses.

You don’t believe me when I say that my kid probably has equal chances of getting in his feeder school compared to some of his friends who are taking Algebra 2 and even pre-cal in 8th grade. Under the older system with teacher input he would have very little chance. But I still think its unfair for my kid to get selected over his much smarter friends (according my kid), if it actually happens.

Actually the new process makes it easier to distinguish natural talent from prep

You don't prep to get into Algebra 2. My DC was adamant that he wanted to take summer FCPS math courses. We obliged and DC was ultimately happy in Algebra 2 in 8th grade.

Thats correct. Its way too difficult to take full year honors math course in the span of 5 weeks in summer and still score an A. My kid really wanted to do summer geometry honors and I could have helped him (I have a math background), but still we had to have him drop the course after a week since it was too difficult for him. There is no way to prep for it and kid has to be naturally smart to absorb the knowledge quickly and also handle that kind of workload. Math doesn't work like that and you can't simply prep a kid to become good at math and advance rapidly. Its a shame on fcps part to deliberately undermine the advanced math track and I can't think of any reason other than wanting to reduce certain group of kids. It would have been much better to pre-allocate a percent of TJ to poor kids and then screen for the best talent. So, no, the new process definitely doesn't make it easier to distinguish the natural talent.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not speaking for myself but generally. I'm a white woman married to a Korean man. In my lived experience, whites don't like Asians because they're not white (i.e., the white people are racist). Other POCs don't like Asians because of how they believe they kowtow to the whites, who don't even like them, as a way of being closer to whiteness. It's hard for any group to have sympathy for their plight. My children are Asian. Despite my DNA they look Asian and the world will view them as Asian and this dynamic pains me. This whole TJ things is so divisive.

The only real solution is the lottery. No need to talk about the race, poor vs rich divide, good school vs bad school. Its fair for everyone involved i.e, if the kid is lucky, he/she will get in thats about it.