For all the parents complaining that the admissions process is rigged against their kids--

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

Holy entitled brat! Maybe they just picked up on these kids messed up superiority complexes and said no thanks.

That you get "entitled brat" out of the perspective that performance should be rewarded without regard to skin color, religion or socioeconomic status is exactly why we have a problem.

Performance is subjective. Your superstar is great but so are others. Your think the "performance" of your genius is superior and others have a different opinion.

Different poster but the fact is that my kids (white) need to score higher by over 100 points (closer to 200) on SAT and have a higher gpa to get into the same schools as their friends who are black. It’s simply the truth. May be good or bad for out society overall, but it’s true and my kids know it (shouldn’t they?!?). So they need to work harder, perform better and have a more appealing set of extracurricular activities. Other groups have had to do that at other times for admissions and now it is the turn for my kids. It’s important that they know. Our son’s closest friend at a top private will be a full pay black boy. So when my kid asks if he can spend the summer in the same way that his friend does, my answer is no. Because you need to have a higher standard for the same result. And, sadly, your black friend will likely face discrimination later in life and he will need to be a higher standard. I don’t think it’s a problem to give kids, really young adults, the information they need to navigate this.

What is your child being forced to do this summer? Work for money? Something academic? Learn something or accomplish something?

If your point is that your kid wants to sit around making tik toks by the pool but is instead doing something else for the purpose of college admissions, then he or she is the one gaming the system. Plenty of kids want to do something interesting with their summers and your imposter is apparently only pretending to be one of them.

Different groups faced different forms of discrimination, or being held to a significantly higher standard, and different context. My white kids need to do substantially better on testing, and an academic stand extracurriculars, to be admitted to the same colleges as underrepresented minorities. They also need to do better than people who can admission due to legacy preference or sports preference. Those are simple facts. My kids will also face less discrimination in the workplace. I am not comparing my children, who have many benefits and privileges in the world, to anyone who is far less fortunate in terms of opportunities or socioeconomics, that would be crazy. Looking at privileged white kids and privileged underrepresented minorities, though, my kids simply have to do better for the same results. And their Asian friends have to do far better very unfortunately. it’s not personal, it’s just the system and where we are at this stage and trying to calibrate under representation issues and frankly some tremendous disparity in the treatment of Asian-Americans as well. Kids should know this. They should not think that they will get into the same school with the same scores as their African-American classmates. It’s just not true. And unfortunately, they should have a little empathy when their Asian-American friends are frustrated at needing to do even better in school for the same results.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

Dear “good parents” of brilliant children,

You should be aware that many, many companies not only factor URM status into their hiring practices these days, they also demand quotas from companies and firms with which they contract, and those companies and firms must comply or be passed over (whether they have a liberal agenda or not). Telling kids “Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years” will win you zero parenting awards.

Sincerely,

Fellow parent living in the real world, not la la land

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

OMG +1

This is almost the exact dinner table conversation we had with our Asian senior. There is nothing we can do to eliminate the systemic racism currently practiced against Asian students like him in the current admission cycle. He will continue to encounter discrimination and racism while he is at school; this is not fair but that's not an excuse to not try his best. But once he is out in the real world, the world will be fair again and he will be able to succeed unhindered. Dwelling on victim status or making excuses for himself because there is active discrimination against him is counter productive and helps no one. The best revenge is success.

I hope your Asian senior reaches out to blacks at his/her college an learn about the discrimination they face daily - overtly and covertly. Welcome to the real world.

Easy to cry "discrimination" when it allegedly pertains to getting into Harvard.

You don’t correct racism with another racism. And why are you obsessed with Harvard? I don’t see pp claiming anything Harvard.

Harvard is just a stand-in for any elite school that is tough to access. This has been explained and is easy to grasp. Why can't you understand this?

+1

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is white and has parents who graduated college, they are already unfathomably privileged. Of course, they don't realize that, because they have been privileged by it their entire lives.

If your kid is any color and has parents who are college graduates, they are unfathomably privileged. People who grew up with parents who went to college usually do not understand how very advantaged they were by that fact.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that some posters are not acknowledging the fact of racist discrimination against Asians. This is not an open topic for debate - the schools admit going it, there is no denial, they are simply claiming that the racist discrimination is a good thing. California tried to pass a proposition to legalist racist discrimination but failed. There is no debate that this is going on to the detriment of Asians.

Yes there is a debate. The criteria you claim should be the most important form decing access to an elite college is apparently criteria wherein your student and other asiain students excel. What is it? Standardized test scores? GPAs?

The debate about who should get into a top school and why is not decided and there is disagreement about what attributes are most important.

What is the correct criteria?

how well you play a sport.

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I hope your Asian senior reaches out to blacks at his/her college an learn about the discrimination they face daily - overtly and covertly. Welcome to the real world.

Maybe you need to get out in the real world more yourself. The idea that the ONLY discrimination there is against Asians in the US is in college admissions is laughable. There have been a tidal wave of physical attacks against Asians in the US in the last year. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/1027236499/anti-asian-hate-crimes-assaults-pandemic-incidents-aapi

Here's one horrific example: https://www.nbcnews.com/video/new-york-man-charged-with-attempted-murder-in-attack-on-asian-woman-135374405542 Here's another story about a man who allegedly attacked 7 Asian women he did not know at all in one day. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/nyregion/asian-women-attacked-nypd.html It's not just NYC. See https://www.inquirer.com/news/septa-assault-asian-hate-central-high-safety-students-20211130.html https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/texas-man-who-attacked-and-blamed-an-asian-family-for-covid-19-pleaded-guilty-to-hate-crimes-charges-1.5793995

Then add in the number of males who have fetishes for Asian females, often because they think they will be more docile than "spoiled" American women of other races. Almost all teen girls and young women are cat-called but a lot of men will get much more aggressive with female Asians than females of other races, probably in part because they think it's less likely that they will be asservative.

Meanwhile, many people assume that young Asian men are wimps. While many white male college students want to date Asian female students, Asian males are often seen as undesirable mates by non-Asian females.

And, of course, there are still many Americans who ask Asian-American's "Where are you from?" or "Do you speak English?" simply because they are Asians.

You finally got out of your halls of academia Asian discrimination schtick.

Bravo.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

Holy entitled brat! Maybe they just picked up on these kids messed up superiority complexes and said no thanks.

NP. This has nothing to do with a superiority complex. It has to do with working hard and achieving as a result and having to swallow that someone who didn’t work as hard and achieve as high results might be preferred in college admissions because they were born a certain way.

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A “privileged” kid deserves to get into college the same as everyone. They should not be penalized because they are “privileged” if they’ve got the goods. I would say the same for a kid who isn’t “privileged.” And privilege is not exclusive to White people. I know many Black kids more privileged than my White kids.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

Holy entitled brat! Maybe they just picked up on these kids messed up superiority complexes and said no thanks.

That you get "entitled brat" out of the perspective that performance should be rewarded without regard to skin color, religion or socioeconomic status is exactly why we have a problem.

Performance is subjective. Your superstar is great but so are others. Your think the "performance" of your genius is superior and others have a different opinion.

Different poster but the fact is that my kids (white) need to score higher by over 100 points (closer to 200) on SAT and have a higher gpa to get into the same schools as their friends who are black. It’s simply the truth. May be good or bad for out society overall, but it’s true and my kids know it (shouldn’t they?!?). So they need to work harder, perform better and have a more appealing set of extracurricular activities. Other groups have had to do that at other times for admissions and now it is the turn for my kids. It’s important that they know. Our son’s closest friend at a top private will be a full pay black boy. So when my kid asks if he can spend the summer in the same way that his friend does, my answer is no. Because you need to have a higher standard for the same result. And, sadly, your black friend will likely face discrimination later in life and he will need to be a higher standard. I don’t think it’s a problem to give kids, really young adults, the information they need to navigate this.

What is your child being forced to do this summer? Work for money? Something academic? Learn something or accomplish something?

If your point is that your kid wants to sit around making tik toks by the pool but is instead doing something else for the purpose of college admissions, then he or she is the one gaming the system. Plenty of kids want to do something interesting with their summers and your imposter is apparently only pretending to be one of them.

Different groups faced different forms of discrimination, or being held to a significantly higher standard, and different context. My white kids need to do substantially better on testing, and an academic stand extracurriculars, to be admitted to the same colleges as underrepresented minorities. They also need to do better than people who can admission due to legacy preference or sports preference. Those are simple facts. My kids will also face less discrimination in the workplace. I am not comparing my children, who have many benefits and privileges in the world, to anyone who is far less fortunate in terms of opportunities or socioeconomics, that would be crazy. Looking at privileged white kids and privileged underrepresented minorities, though, my kids simply have to do better for the same results. And their Asian friends have to do far better very unfortunately. it’s not personal, it’s just the system and where we are at this stage and trying to calibrate under representation issues and frankly some tremendous disparity in the treatment of Asian-Americans as well. Kids should know this. They should not think that they will get into the same school with the same scores as their African-American classmates. It’s just not true. And unfortunately, they should have a little empathy when their Asian-American friends are frustrated at needing to do even better in school for the same results.

You did even answer the question about summer activities.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

Holy entitled brat! Maybe they just picked up on these kids messed up superiority complexes and said no thanks.

That you get "entitled brat" out of the perspective that performance should be rewarded without regard to skin color, religion or socioeconomic status is exactly why we have a problem.

Performance is subjective. Your superstar is great but so are others. Your think the "performance" of your genius is superior and others have a different opinion.

Different poster but the fact is that my kids (white) need to score higher by over 100 points (closer to 200) on SAT and have a higher gpa to get into the same schools as their friends who are black. It’s simply the truth. May be good or bad for out society overall, but it’s true and my kids know it (shouldn’t they?!?). So they need to work harder, perform better and have a more appealing set of extracurricular activities. Other groups have had to do that at other times for admissions and now it is the turn for my kids. It’s important that they know. Our son’s closest friend at a top private will be a full pay black boy. So when my kid asks if he can spend the summer in the same way that his friend does, my answer is no. Because you need to have a higher standard for the same result. And, sadly, your black friend will likely face discrimination later in life and he will need to be a higher standard. I don’t think it’s a problem to give kids, really young adults, the information they need to navigate this.

What is your child being forced to do this summer? Work for money? Something academic? Learn something or accomplish something?

If your point is that your kid wants to sit around making tik toks by the pool but is instead doing something else for the purpose of college admissions, then he or she is the one gaming the system. Plenty of kids want to do something interesting with their summers and your imposter is apparently only pretending to be one of them.

Different groups faced different forms of discrimination, or being held to a significantly higher standard, and different context. My white kids need to do substantially better on testing, and an academic stand extracurriculars, to be admitted to the same colleges as underrepresented minorities. They also need to do better than people who can admission due to legacy preference or sports preference. Those are simple facts. My kids will also face less discrimination in the workplace. I am not comparing my children, who have many benefits and privileges in the world, to anyone who is far less fortunate in terms of opportunities or socioeconomics, that would be crazy. Looking at privileged white kids and privileged underrepresented minorities, though, my kids simply have to do better for the same results. And their Asian friends have to do far better very unfortunately. it’s not personal, it’s just the system and where we are at this stage and trying to calibrate under representation issues and frankly some tremendous disparity in the treatment of Asian-Americans as well. Kids should know this. They should not think that they will get into the same school with the same scores as their African-American classmates. It’s just not true. And unfortunately, they should have a little empathy when their Asian-American friends are frustrated at needing to do even better in school for the same results.

You did even answer the question about summer activities.[/quote

Our son is spending much of the summer doing a combination of working as a math tutor and working a retail job. Certainly nothing too strenuous or difficult. The question was around what else he is going to do and his needing to realize the realistic requirements for college admissions.

Is anyone actually questioning whether it white, and to a much greater extend Asian, students with high socioeconomics simply need to perform better in school to get into the same college? That doesn’t seem debatable to me. Just like it is not debatable to me that my African-American, Asian and Latin colleagues and friends have faced discrimination that I haven’t, or that I am paid less as a female for the same work than a man on average. Of course I told my kids about these things, though I don’t need to because they live in the world and see it every day. Our kids aren’t dumb and we should prepare them and advise them. Hopefully, as they have colleagues, friends, spouses and extended family of different races and ethnicities, much of the bias and discrimination will subside. But until then I think my kids should know that I need to do better in school to get into the same college. Does anyone really not think that’s the case since we aren’t legacies anywhere they would apply?

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NP. This has nothing to do with a superiority complex. It has to do with working hard and achieving as a result and having to swallow that someone who didn’t work as hard and achieve as high results might be preferred in college admissions because they were born a certain way.

The system in the US was set up favoring white men for most of the last 300 years. These people benefited because they were 'born a certain way'. Millions of people "work hard" and didn't get the same privilege because they were not in the right place at the right time. So, there may be some pain experienced by parents of kids who may have to go to a slightly lower ranked school as society tries to slowly re-balance.

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Anonymous wrote:A “privileged” kid deserves to get into college the same as everyone. They should not be penalized because they are “privileged” if they’ve got the goods. I would say the same for a kid who isn’t “privileged.” And privilege is not exclusive to White people. I know many Black kids more privileged than my White kids.

How many times have your kids been stopped by the police? How many times have they been assumed to be stealing in a designer store? How many times has someone stared at them?

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Anonymous wrote:We are visiting colleges now with our DCs. According to DCUM, we should be seeing plenty of URM « black boys » on these campuses. We simply are not. But do carry on lamenting how these Black boys are stealing your white and Asian kids’ spots at Ivy schools and How life will swing the pendulum back and will be fair again. 😏

True.

We've been on tours of the T20 schools. Across 5-10 schools, we've seen very very few URMs and almost no black males.

Most of the people on DCUM college threads are astute. They look at Common Data Sets and know the demographic stats.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

Holy entitled brat! Maybe they just picked up on these kids messed up superiority complexes and said no thanks.

That you get "entitled brat" out of the perspective that performance should be rewarded without regard to skin color, religion or socioeconomic status is exactly why we have a problem.

Performance is subjective. Your superstar is great but so are others. Your think the "performance" of your genius is superior and others have a different opinion.

Different poster but the fact is that my kids (white) need to score higher by over 100 points (closer to 200) on SAT and have a higher gpa to get into the same schools as their friends who are black. It’s simply the truth. May be good or bad for out society overall, but it’s true and my kids know it (shouldn’t they?!?). So they need to work harder, perform better and have a more appealing set of extracurricular activities. Other groups have had to do that at other times for admissions and now it is the turn for my kids. It’s important that they know. Our son’s closest friend at a top private will be a full pay black boy. So when my kid asks if he can spend the summer in the same way that his friend does, my answer is no. Because you need to have a higher standard for the same result. And, sadly, your black friend will likely face discrimination later in life and he will need to be a higher standard. I don’t think it’s a problem to give kids, really young adults, the information they need to navigate this.

What is your child being forced to do this summer? Work for money? Something academic? Learn something or accomplish something?

If your point is that your kid wants to sit around making tik toks by the pool but is instead doing something else for the purpose of college admissions, then he or she is the one gaming the system. Plenty of kids want to do something interesting with their summers and your imposter is apparently only pretending to be one of them.

Different groups faced different forms of discrimination, or being held to a significantly higher standard, and different context. My white kids need to do substantially better on testing, and an academic stand extracurriculars, to be admitted to the same colleges as underrepresented minorities. They also need to do better than people who can admission due to legacy preference or sports preference. Those are simple facts. My kids will also face less discrimination in the workplace. I am not comparing my children, who have many benefits and privileges in the world, to anyone who is far less fortunate in terms of opportunities or socioeconomics, that would be crazy. Looking at privileged white kids and privileged underrepresented minorities, though, my kids simply have to do better for the same results. And their Asian friends have to do far better very unfortunately. it’s not personal, it’s just the system and where we are at this stage and trying to calibrate under representation issues and frankly some tremendous disparity in the treatment of Asian-Americans as well. Kids should know this. They should not think that they will get into the same school with the same scores as their African-American classmates. It’s just not true. And unfortunately, they should have a little empathy when their Asian-American friends are frustrated at needing to do even better in school for the same results.

You did even answer the question about summer activities.[/quote

Our son is spending much of the summer doing a combination of working as a math tutor and working a retail job. Certainly nothing too strenuous or difficult. The question was around what else he is going to do and his needing to realize the realistic requirements for college admissions.

Is anyone actually questioning whether it white, and to a much greater extend Asian, students with high socioeconomics simply need to perform better in school to get into the same college? That doesn’t seem debatable to me. Just like it is not debatable to me that my African-American, Asian and Latin colleagues and friends have faced discrimination that I haven’t, or that I am paid less as a female for the same work than a man on average. Of course I told my kids about these things, though I don’t need to because they live in the world and see it every day. Our kids aren’t dumb and we should prepare them and advise them. Hopefully, as they have colleagues, friends, spouses and extended family of different races and ethnicities, much of the bias and discrimination will subside. But until then I think my kids should know that I need to do better in school to get into the same college. Does anyone really not think that’s the case since we aren’t legacies anywhere they would apply?

But there is nothing wrong with kids that want to do something difficult and challenging over the summer and there is nothing wrong with colleges wanting to admit students that enjoy taking on difficult challenges.

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Anonymous wrote:A “privileged” kid deserves to get into college the same as everyone. They should not be penalized because they are “privileged” if they’ve got the goods. I would say the same for a kid who isn’t “privileged.” And privilege is not exclusive to White people. I know many Black kids more privileged than my White kids.

How many times have your kids been stopped by the police? How many times have they been assumed to be stealing in a designer store? How many times has someone stared at them?

Not the poster you are responding to but another previous poster. Do you think kids are better prepared for the world, more confident and more resilient because they’ve been improperly stopped by police? Do you think that makes people better and stronger? I honestly think building up resilience can certainly be good, but perhaps is equally likely to make people less willing to engage and less confident later in life. I’m not sure as a result what suffering abuse by law-enforcement has to do with whether or not someone is better qualified to be admitted to college. Or are we trying to say that yes, it should be made easier for underrepresented minorities and for others to get into college to make up for the fact that they suffered discrimination elsewhere in life? If that’s the case, then, yes, my white kids need to do much better in school and then extracurriculars to get into the same school as their underrepresented Minority friends. It’s a public policy choice and fine. But why should we not be open about the different qualifications required?