What makes you think God cares?

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Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

"it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator" sounds like something people might hear in church, or something said to dissuade incipient atheists.

It doesn't take faith not to believe in a "Master creator" who is simply imagined to fill in for lack of knowledge. None at all.

Perhaps not faith then, but it takes willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator. God can be proven logically, at the level of natural reason. See: Aristotle and the unmoved mover. It takes supernatural faith to believe that that Creator loves each and every one of us as a father loves his child. Christianity is the only religion that posits that.

Of course, none of the people with faith will agree with this, but God has done amazing things for me in this life, even when I did not believe in Him. All things have worked together for good, even the evils that have befallen me. No series of random acts of chance could have done that. Especially since random, dispersonal chance can’t “do” anything, in the ontological sense. Chance has no will and certainly no love.

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People without* faith sorry!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

"it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator" sounds like something people might hear in church, or something said to dissuade incipient atheists.

It doesn't take faith not to believe in a "Master creator" who is simply imagined to fill in for lack of knowledge. None at all.

Perhaps not faith then, but it takes willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator. God can be proven logically, at the level of natural reason. See: Aristotle and the unmoved mover. It takes supernatural faith to believe that that Creator loves each and every one of us as a father loves his child. Christianity is the only religion that posits that.

Of course, none of the people with faith will agree with this, but God has done amazing things for me in this life, even when I did not believe in Him. All things have worked together for good, even the evils that have befallen me. No series of random acts of chance could have done that. Especially since random, dispersonal chance can’t “do” anything, in the ontological sense. Chance has no will and certainly no love.

Sorry -- you can interpret how things happened in your own life anyway you want -- but please -- don't try to impose your way of thinking on others. It does not take "willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator" and God can NOT "be proven logically, at the level of natural reason." Even most religious people would disagree with that -- at least they are not taught that. Believing in God, or any being beyond nature, is a matter of faith.

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Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

I would love to know which specific detailed prophecies have been fulfilled, and which archaeological findings back up the order of events as described in the Bible.

check out:
https://www.bibleed.com/the-miracle-of-the-bible.html

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Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

"it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator" sounds like something people might hear in church, or something said to dissuade incipient atheists.

It doesn't take faith not to believe in a "Master creator" who is simply imagined to fill in for lack of knowledge. None at all.

Perhaps not faith then, but it takes willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator. God can be proven logically, at the level of natural reason. See: Aristotle and the unmoved mover. It takes supernatural faith to believe that that Creator loves each and every one of us as a father loves his child. Christianity is the only religion that posits that.

Of course, none of the people with faith will agree with this, but God has done amazing things for me in this life, even when I did not believe in Him. All things have worked together for good, even the evils that have befallen me. No series of random acts of chance could have done that. Especially since random, dispersonal chance can’t “do” anything, in the ontological sense. Chance has no will and certainly no love.

Sorry -- you can interpret how things happened in your own life anyway you want -- but please -- don't try to impose your way of thinking on others. It does not take "willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator" and God can NOT "be proven logically, at the level of natural reason." Even most religious people would disagree with that -- at least they are not taught that. Believing in God, or any being beyond nature, is a matter of faith.

So what is the answer to the unmoved mover problem then? And where do you get that religious people aren’t taught that you can come to God using natural reason? It’s literally right there in the Catechism. Sounds like a fact that you just pulled out of your rear end tbh.

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Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

"it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator" sounds like something people might hear in church, or something said to dissuade incipient atheists.

It doesn't take faith not to believe in a "Master creator" who is simply imagined to fill in for lack of knowledge. None at all.

Perhaps not faith then, but it takes willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator. God can be proven logically, at the level of natural reason. See: Aristotle and the unmoved mover. It takes supernatural faith to believe that that Creator loves each and every one of us as a father loves his child. Christianity is the only religion that posits that.

Of course, none of the people with faith will agree with this, but God has done amazing things for me in this life, even when I did not believe in Him. All things have worked together for good, even the evils that have befallen me. No series of random acts of chance could have done that. Especially since random, dispersonal chance can’t “do” anything, in the ontological sense. Chance has no will and certainly no love.

Aristotle was an idiot. Nearly all of what he said about the natural world turned out not to be true. I'm not going to follow any of his torturous logical exercises.
Faith is by definition something that cannot be proved logically, PP.
I'm very glad for you that you seem happy in your faith, but please stop exposing your ignorance and stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

"it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator" sounds like something people might hear in church, or something said to dissuade incipient atheists.

It doesn't take faith not to believe in a "Master creator" who is simply imagined to fill in for lack of knowledge. None at all.

Perhaps not faith then, but it takes willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator. God can be proven logically, at the level of natural reason. See: Aristotle and the unmoved mover. It takes supernatural faith to believe that that Creator loves each and every one of us as a father loves his child. Christianity is the only religion that posits that.

Of course, none of the people with faith will agree with this, but God has done amazing things for me in this life, even when I did not believe in Him. All things have worked together for good, even the evils that have befallen me. No series of random acts of chance could have done that. Especially since random, dispersonal chance can’t “do” anything, in the ontological sense. Chance has no will and certainly no love.

Aristotle was an idiot. Nearly all of what he said about the natural world turned out not to be true. I'm not going to follow any of his torturous logical exercises.
Faith is by definition something that cannot be proved logically, PP.
I'm very glad for you that you seem happy in your faith, but please stop exposing your ignorance and stupidity.

You, a Very Smart Person: Aristotle was an idiot! You’re stupid and ignorant!

Do you not see the irony here even a little bit ?

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Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I used to date a guy who was a Christian although not a very good one. He told me once that he believed God does not really care about individuals, that they are all expendable. He said there is lots of evidence of this.

He's right. there's also no evidence for the existence of God, except for what people imagine or are taught to believe.

If believing in God and/or following a religion brings you peace and happiness - fine. But if not, you don't have to believe just because most people you know do or because you were taught to.

I agree and I do not believe in God at all but he did, although his God is very relevant to the OP's question because his God does not care. I believe the BF said God cares about the big picture but not about the little details, like babies born with cancer or other unimaginable tragedies. I found his thought process pretty interesting as I attempted to understand his mind and beliefs, although the relationship was pretty much doomed from the beginning.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

"it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator" sounds like something people might hear in church, or something said to dissuade incipient atheists.

It doesn't take faith not to believe in a "Master creator" who is simply imagined to fill in for lack of knowledge. None at all.

Perhaps not faith then, but it takes willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator. God can be proven logically, at the level of natural reason. See: Aristotle and the unmoved mover. It takes supernatural faith to believe that that Creator loves each and every one of us as a father loves his child. Christianity is the only religion that posits that.

Of course, none of the people with faith will agree with this, but God has done amazing things for me in this life, even when I did not believe in Him. All things have worked together for good, even the evils that have befallen me. No series of random acts of chance could have done that. Especially since random, dispersonal chance can’t “do” anything, in the ontological sense. Chance has no will and certainly no love.

Aristotle was an idiot. Nearly all of what he said about the natural world turned out not to be true. I'm not going to follow any of his torturous logical exercises.
Faith is by definition something that cannot be proved logically, PP.
I'm very glad for you that you seem happy in your faith, but please stop exposing your ignorance and stupidity.

Aristotle was certainly not an idiot. He was a great philosopher. He was, however, a terrible scientist.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

I would love to know which specific detailed prophecies have been fulfilled, and which archaeological findings back up the order of events as described in the Bible.

check out:
https://www.bibleed.com/the-miracle-of-the-bible.html

Above is the website of a christian group

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

I would love to know which specific detailed prophecies have been fulfilled, and which archaeological findings back up the order of events as described in the Bible.

check out:
https://www.bibleed.com/the-miracle-of-the-bible.html

Above is the website of a christian group

“To call the Bible “a literary miracle” simply on the evidence of its unified message may seem to be a use of words which devalues the genuinely miraculous. But there are also other indicators of the Bible’s superhuman origin, not least of which is the evidence of fulfilled prophecy. Men often guess about the future, but they cannot predict it with any degree of accuracy – and least of all the distant future. Yet the God of the Bible offers precisely this ability to foretell long-distant events as evidence of His existence and of the reliability of His word. “Ask me of things to come”, said God through the prophet Isaiah, for “I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done” (Isaiah 45:11; 46:9-11).

Even the Bible’s strongest critics will admit that the Old Testament was in existence long before the birth of Christ. Yet the writings of Moses, of the Psalmists and of the prophets contain the most detailed predictions of the life and work of Jesus. Just look, for example, at Genesis 3:15 and, especially, at Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53, and ask yourself honestly how you can explain away the fact that such clear prophecies about Jesus came to be in the sacred scriptures of the Jews, who do not even yet recognise him as their Saviour. Similarly, it is possible to show that the unfolding misfortunes of the Jews, as well as the fate of the leading nations of the world, were outlined long before they happened, in prophecies of quite extraordinary detail (Deuteronomy 28, Ezekiel 26 and Daniel 2 are just three examples out of many). Yet such predictions are precisely what we should expect from the omniscient mind of a God who sees the whole of human history in a moment of time. They are clear evidence of the truly miraculous, revelatory character of the Bible.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

"it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator" sounds like something people might hear in church, or something said to dissuade incipient atheists.

It doesn't take faith not to believe in a "Master creator" who is simply imagined to fill in for lack of knowledge. None at all.

Perhaps not faith then, but it takes willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator. God can be proven logically, at the level of natural reason. See: Aristotle and the unmoved mover. It takes supernatural faith to believe that that Creator loves each and every one of us as a father loves his child. Christianity is the only religion that posits that.

Of course, none of the people with faith will agree with this, but God has done amazing things for me in this life, even when I did not believe in Him. All things have worked together for good, even the evils that have befallen me. No series of random acts of chance could have done that. Especially since random, dispersonal chance can’t “do” anything, in the ontological sense. Chance has no will and certainly no love.

Sorry -- you can interpret how things happened in your own life anyway you want -- but please -- don't try to impose your way of thinking on others. It does not take "willful ignorance not to believe in a Creator" and God can NOT "be proven logically, at the level of natural reason." Even most religious people would disagree with that -- at least they are not taught that. Believing in God, or any being beyond nature, is a matter of faith.

So what is the answer to the unmoved mover problem then? And where do you get that religious people aren’t taught that you can come to God using natural reason? It’s literally right there in the Catechism. Sounds like a fact that you just pulled out of your rear end tbh.

The Jansenists were correct in saying that one cannot come to religion logically. Jansenists like Rene Descartes said that atheism is a sign of intelligence because if you try to justify religion logically (without making logical errors as did the Jesuits) you will wind up an atheist. The Jansenists correctly said one could only be a Christian through faith. If religion could be proven logically, faith would be unnecessary. The problem with the Jansenists was, as they themselves recognized, what if one has no faith?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

I would love to know which specific detailed prophecies have been fulfilled, and which archaeological findings back up the order of events as described in the Bible.

check out:
https://www.bibleed.com/the-miracle-of-the-bible.html

Above is the website of a christian group

LOL. You are cruel.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities.

I would love to know which specific detailed prophecies have been fulfilled, and which archaeological findings back up the order of events as described in the Bible.

check out:
https://www.bibleed.com/the-miracle-of-the-bible.html

Above is the website of a christian group

“To call the Bible “a literary miracle” simply on the evidence of its unified message may seem to be a use of words which devalues the genuinely miraculous. But there are also other indicators of the Bible’s superhuman origin, not least of which is the evidence of fulfilled prophecy. Men often guess about the future, but they cannot predict it with any degree of accuracy – and least of all the distant future. Yet the God of the Bible offers precisely this ability to foretell long-distant events as evidence of His existence and of the reliability of His word. “Ask me of things to come”, said God through the prophet Isaiah, for “I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done” (Isaiah 45:11; 46:9-11).

Even the Bible’s strongest critics will admit that the Old Testament was in existence long before the birth of Christ. Yet the writings of Moses, of the Psalmists and of the prophets contain the most detailed predictions of the life and work of Jesus. Just look, for example, at Genesis 3:15 and, especially, at Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53, and ask yourself honestly how you can explain away the fact that such clear prophecies about Jesus came to be in the sacred scriptures of the Jews, who do not even yet recognise him as their Saviour. Similarly, it is possible to show that the unfolding misfortunes of the Jews, as well as the fate of the leading nations of the world, were outlined long before they happened, in prophecies of quite extraordinary detail (Deuteronomy 28, Ezekiel 26 and Daniel 2 are just three examples out of many). Yet such predictions are precisely what we should expect from the omniscient mind of a God who sees the whole of human history in a moment of time. They are clear evidence of the truly miraculous, revelatory character of the Bible.”

This is propaganda, not fact.