First, congrats on having logic prevail and joining the ranks of rational non-believers and skeptics. However, you will find that most of your new peers don’t hate any gods because they do not believe there are any gods. Try that. It’s wonderful. |
Try kindness. It will help you be a happier person. Also, you have the same ability that I do. You’ve just chosen not to use it. |
Already I am happier. Like the slave who was dragged into the sunlight in Plato’s parable of the Cave, you have graciously returned to the Cave to lead us from darkness and ignorance to light and knowledge. How fortunate we are! |
Mostly atheists and anti-theists post in the forum, asking questions an God, pointing out what they think are the harmful things God does, etc. Lots of my “peers” here daily…discussing a God they do not believe in. So, you are quite wrong. |
Let’s not be hasty. Luther said he hated God, and with that the Reformation was born! |
You can't hate someone you don't believe in. Some people who eventually become atheists might go through a "God-hating" phase ( didn't), but that passes and moves into "not believing" |
But Luther didn't continue hating god. The reformation changed the way people thought about and practiced religion, but did not espouse God-hating. |
He's right. there's also no evidence for the existence of God, except for what people imagine or are taught to believe. If believing in God and/or following a religion brings you peace and happiness - fine. But if not, you don't have to believe just because most people you know do or because you were taught to. |
I understand that but Luther’s hatred of God began the Reformation and ended with a totally different concept of God. Let’s keep this in mind before a knee jerk reaction like “you are quite wrong.” The leader of Luther’s monastery did not tell Luther “you are quite wrong” when Luther said he hated God. Instead, he took Luther under his wing and told him to take a doctor’s degree. Luther gasped “so much work would kill me!” Luther’s master replied “quite alright, God has much work for intelligent men in Heaven.” |
| Op—in answer to your question: The Bible —one of the greatest literary works of all time. So many detailed prophecies already fulfilled, so many archaeological findings backing the order of events up… countless people have turned to it for centuries as a great source of comfort over the ages. The Bible is God’s Word inspired in these writers. Yes, it takes faith to believe in God, but it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator. For example, to think that the human race was just a series of random mutations that simply occurred out of a Big Bang with no Master Creator also takes crazy faith. To think that mass, space, planets, galaxies, black holes, stars, and perfect physical phenomenons are not governed by some Higher Power is even greater faith in something not seen. There is a lot of mystery left in our universe. Be open to the possibilities. |
I would love to know which specific detailed prophecies have been fulfilled, and which archaeological findings back up the order of events as described in the Bible. |
Interesting, but so what? The reformation changed how some people perceived God. Meanwhile, there had always been people with a different view of god, as well as people who didn't believe in God at all. They had to remain quiet in order not to be persecuted in Europe in Luther's time - and before and since. |
So would I. I also don’t understand why it takes any faith at all to believe the Universe is random. |
| People tend to attribute human qualities to God but that is primarily due to the limitation of language to express the unknown. "Caring" is a very human attribute. God's love is more like life's longing for itself, a constant cycle of creation and recreation. |
"it also takes faith to not believe in a Creator" sounds like something people might hear in church, or something said to dissuade incipient atheists. It doesn't take faith not to believe in a "Master creator" who is simply imagined to fill in for lack of knowledge. None at all. |