Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

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Experts in bull crap apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:It is actually costing the GOP election success. Why don't they just adjust their position to one that will retain and attract voters instead of driving them away. Particularly for an issue like this that the GOP is claiming is not a top issue.

The Republican nominee leads in the polls, and we control most state governorships. We also won the battle for the house, and the senate map is looking pretty good. Where exactly is the cost, particularly recognizing that most pro life voters are in the GOP?

The house is a mess with a tiny GOP majority. There was no red wave. The democrats flipped a house seat last year and this issue was definitely part of the campaign and the final decision.

The GOP was expected to take the house and did. As for the flipped seat, well yes, it was in New York which has gotten more blue and republicans left the state. New Yorkers aren’t indicative of a national election but the polls are - and they show Trump leading not only in battleground states but on the issues voters care most about.

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Anonymous wrote:10-20% of pregnancies end in a known miscarriage. That’s not including all of the early unknown miscarriages.
That’s an uncomfortably high percentage of women facing denied healthcare in their red state due to draconian abortion bans. They want to force these laws on the entire nation with a federal ban.
That’s approximately a million women every year in the US at risk due to extreme laws enacted by “pro life” republicans.
How many years is a woman fertile? How many years does she play roulette with those laws?
I agree that men identifying as women should not be housed in prisons but the entire female prison population of the United States is approximately 90,000.
When I look at risk calculus I’m more immediately concerned for my daughter’s health.

This.
Having received a life-saving inmates. abortion (methotrexate to treat an ectopic pregnancy) and conceived one of my DDs via IVF, I'm all too keenly aware of how the red-states' reactions to the overturning of RvW threatens the health and life of women. To say nothing of the current risks to availability of contraception posed by some in the GOP. Birth control pills are used by millions of women to manage and treat symptoms of conditions like PCOS, endometriosis, etc. Threats to contraception impact more than just those trying to avoid pregnancy.
I consider those far more impactful to the vast majority of women than a few trans athletes or inmates. Why should my DDs have less of a right to health care and bodily autonomy than their grandmothers??

Unless you are a Republican, this is irrelevant. This post is about the viewpoints of GOP women of a certain age, not why you feel more impacted by abortion. If you feel that way, vote Dem as you seem to do.

I'm the PP. Born and raised Republican. Considered myself "conservative" based on fiscal beliefs and support of military, but have always been more "middle of the road" on social issues (and I believe I still am).
Started voting split ticket in 2016 because I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump. I refuse to vote for any Republican who supported the overturning of RvW, so I now consider myself independent.
The GOP is losing women like me.

It is hard to understand why the GOP has invested so much into crushing reproductive rights. There seem to be a few posters on here in favor of this position, but for the majority, it's such an extremely unpopular and repulsive position to take. Why is the GOP willing to lose so many voters over this issue that they keep arguing is not really that important?

Are you aware of what the number one issues are for voters right now? Hint, it’s not abortion. I think the more relevant question is why did Biden allow 1.3 million illegals in, in 2023 alone, given how many people list controlling the border as their number one issue?

Your otherness about “illegals” doesn’t negatively affect most people. In fact the work of “illegals” keeps agriculture, manufacturing, and much of the service industry running. Without them, prices would be higher because all of the red state whiners on federal disability won’t do those jobs.
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Native born Americans lost 300k jobs last year according to the bureau of labor statistics. Still think things are going just swimmingly and that Biden’s border mess won’t matter?

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Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Disagreement isn’t hate or paranoia. If you want to debate issues, start with facts and not name calling that frankly people are simply tired of.

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Anonymous wrote:It is actually costing the GOP election success. Why don't they just adjust their position to one that will retain and attract voters instead of driving them away. Particularly for an issue like this that the GOP is claiming is not a top issue.

The Republican nominee leads in the polls, and we control most state governorships. We also won the battle for the house, and the senate map is looking pretty good. Where exactly is the cost, particularly recognizing that most pro life voters are in the GOP?

The house is a mess with a tiny GOP majority. There was no red wave. The democrats flipped a house seat last year and this issue was definitely part of the campaign and the final decision.

The GOP was expected to take the house and did. As for the flipped seat, well yes, it was in New York which has gotten more blue and republicans left the state. New Yorkers aren’t indicative of a national election but the polls are - and they show Trump leading not only in battleground states but on the issues voters care most about.

Like keeping the government out of my private life?

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Anonymous wrote:10-20% of pregnancies end in a known miscarriage. That’s not including all of the early unknown miscarriages.
That’s an uncomfortably high percentage of women facing denied healthcare in their red state due to draconian abortion bans. They want to force these laws on the entire nation with a federal ban.
That’s approximately a million women every year in the US at risk due to extreme laws enacted by “pro life” republicans.
How many years is a woman fertile? How many years does she play roulette with those laws?
I agree that men identifying as women should not be housed in prisons but the entire female prison population of the United States is approximately 90,000.
When I look at risk calculus I’m more immediately concerned for my daughter’s health.

This.
Having received a life-saving inmates. abortion (methotrexate to treat an ectopic pregnancy) and conceived one of my DDs via IVF, I'm all too keenly aware of how the red-states' reactions to the overturning of RvW threatens the health and life of women. To say nothing of the current risks to availability of contraception posed by some in the GOP. Birth control pills are used by millions of women to manage and treat symptoms of conditions like PCOS, endometriosis, etc. Threats to contraception impact more than just those trying to avoid pregnancy.
I consider those far more impactful to the vast majority of women than a few trans athletes or inmates. Why should my DDs have less of a right to health care and bodily autonomy than their grandmothers??

Unless you are a Republican, this is irrelevant. This post is about the viewpoints of GOP women of a certain age, not why you feel more impacted by abortion. If you feel that way, vote Dem as you seem to do.

I'm the PP. Born and raised Republican. Considered myself "conservative" based on fiscal beliefs and support of military, but have always been more "middle of the road" on social issues (and I believe I still am).
Started voting split ticket in 2016 because I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump. I refuse to vote for any Republican who supported the overturning of RvW, so I now consider myself independent.
The GOP is losing women like me.

It is hard to understand why the GOP has invested so much into crushing reproductive rights. There seem to be a few posters on here in favor of this position, but for the majority, it's such an extremely unpopular and repulsive position to take. Why is the GOP willing to lose so many voters over this issue that they keep arguing is not really that important?

Are you aware of what the number one issues are for voters right now? Hint, it’s not abortion. I think the more relevant question is why did Biden allow 1.3 million illegals in, in 2023 alone, given how many people list controlling the border as their number one issue?

I am responding to the posters on here that saying it is a defining issue. In addition it has clearly resonated in every referendum election held since roe. The talking point that the voters don't care about it does not seem to match up with what is happening in the voting booth.

But no, the people saying abortion is a defining issue on this thread are liberals who can’t understand women who don’t think the same way they do. They aren’t the Republican women who are either pro life or happy that the issue is now at the state level or are satisfied with the direction their own states have taken OR, lastly, are simply not driven by abortion when it comes to their vote.

No, try again. I'm the former-Republican PP from up thread a bit. I'm not a liberal, and I'm not some weird outlier. But this is absolutely my hill to die on when it comes to supporting candidates with my vote. What good are the other issues if bodily autonomy and the right to appropriate healthcare (in case of a dangerous pregnancy or pregnancy loss) aren't protected for everyone in this country?

So you aren’t a republican.

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Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Republican women: you are stupid, hateful and illogical.

--winning Democrat message

From where a lot of Americans stand, it's not an incorrect observation to make.

That's fine. Just don't be surprised that people you hold in contempt don't vote for the same candidates.

Only stupid, hateful, and illogical people identify with the Republican Party. They are proud to be anti-intellectual, belligerent, and paranoid. How else could so many privileged and politically connected people delude themselves that they are victims?

If that's the case, why post on a thread where the OP is asking to understand women in their 30s-40s who vote Republican?

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Anonymous wrote:10-20% of pregnancies end in a known miscarriage. That’s not including all of the early unknown miscarriages.
That’s an uncomfortably high percentage of women facing denied healthcare in their red state due to draconian abortion bans. They want to force these laws on the entire nation with a federal ban.
That’s approximately a million women every year in the US at risk due to extreme laws enacted by “pro life” republicans.
How many years is a woman fertile? How many years does she play roulette with those laws?
I agree that men identifying as women should not be housed in prisons but the entire female prison population of the United States is approximately 90,000.
When I look at risk calculus I’m more immediately concerned for my daughter’s health.

This.
Having received a life-saving inmates. abortion (methotrexate to treat an ectopic pregnancy) and conceived one of my DDs via IVF, I'm all too keenly aware of how the red-states' reactions to the overturning of RvW threatens the health and life of women. To say nothing of the current risks to availability of contraception posed by some in the GOP. Birth control pills are used by millions of women to manage and treat symptoms of conditions like PCOS, endometriosis, etc. Threats to contraception impact more than just those trying to avoid pregnancy.
I consider those far more impactful to the vast majority of women than a few trans athletes or inmates. Why should my DDs have less of a right to health care and bodily autonomy than their grandmothers??

Unless you are a Republican, this is irrelevant. This post is about the viewpoints of GOP women of a certain age, not why you feel more impacted by abortion. If you feel that way, vote Dem as you seem to do.

I'm the PP. Born and raised Republican. Considered myself "conservative" based on fiscal beliefs and support of military, but have always been more "middle of the road" on social issues (and I believe I still am).
Started voting split ticket in 2016 because I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump. I refuse to vote for any Republican who supported the overturning of RvW, so I now consider myself independent.
The GOP is losing women like me.

It is hard to understand why the GOP has invested so much into crushing reproductive rights. There seem to be a few posters on here in favor of this position, but for the majority, it's such an extremely unpopular and repulsive position to take. Why is the GOP willing to lose so many voters over this issue that they keep arguing is not really that important?

Are you aware of what the number one issues are for voters right now? Hint, it’s not abortion. I think the more relevant question is why did Biden allow 1.3 million illegals in, in 2023 alone, given how many people list controlling the border as their number one issue?

Your otherness about “illegals” doesn’t negatively affect most people. In fact the work of “illegals” keeps agriculture, manufacturing, and much of the service industry running. Without them, prices would be higher because all of the red state whiners on federal disability won’t do those jobs.
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Native born Americans lost 300k jobs last year according to the bureau of labor statistics. Still think things are going just swimmingly and that Biden’s border mess won’t matter?

Your distinction of “native born Americans” is un American and unpatriotic. We are one nation, under god, with liberty and justice for all.

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Anonymous wrote:It is actually costing the GOP election success. Why don't they just adjust their position to one that will retain and attract voters instead of driving them away. Particularly for an issue like this that the GOP is claiming is not a top issue.

The Republican nominee leads in the polls, and we control most state governorships. We also won the battle for the house, and the senate map is looking pretty good. Where exactly is the cost, particularly recognizing that most pro life voters are in the GOP?

The house is a mess with a tiny GOP majority. There was no red wave. The democrats flipped a house seat last year and this issue was definitely part of the campaign and the final decision.

The GOP was expected to take the house and did. As for the flipped seat, well yes, it was in New York which has gotten more blue and republicans left the state. New Yorkers aren’t indicative of a national election but the polls are - and they show Trump leading not only in battleground states but on the issues voters care most about.

The last time the polls were remotely accurate was 2012. But keep relying on them!

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

The bolded is a straight up lie. It was known early on that children had lower viral loads, one of reason they don't really get that sick with Covid.

And stop will the BS about teachers being on the front lines. They were locked in their homes getting instacart and asynchronously phoning in their jobs. There were no higher rates of teachers dying any more than the average 25-45 year old, which was minimal and if it happened was generally due to already poor health. Just like every other profession.

You do not get to down play what we all witness.

We need you to acknowledge that school closures were a disaster because schools ARE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. They never should have been closed past June 2020. That is how you keep mothers in the workforce.

You are not making sense. Teachers didn’t die in big numbers BECAUSE schools went virtual as soon as cases were confirmed on their campuses. You are using the success of the restrictions to argue against restrictions. A lot more teachers would have died and case counts and deaths generally would have been much higher among school communities if all schools had tried to stay open. Even though small children generally had very mild symptoms, adult child care workers and teachers were not less likely than other workers to have severe symptoms. Child care workers had a higher death rate than average workers, a comparable to the death rates of essential workers.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

The bolded is a straight up lie. It was known early on that children had lower viral loads, one of reason they don't really get that sick with Covid.

And stop will the BS about teachers being on the front lines. They were locked in their homes getting instacart and asynchronously phoning in their jobs. There were no higher rates of teachers dying any more than the average 25-45 year old, which was minimal and if it happened was generally due to already poor health. Just like every other profession.

You do not get to down play what we all witness.

We need you to acknowledge that school closures were a disaster because schools ARE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. They never should have been closed past June 2020. That is how you keep mothers in the workforce.

You are not making sense. Teachers didn’t die in big numbers BECAUSE schools went virtual as soon as cases were confirmed on their campuses. You are using the success of the restrictions to argue against restrictions. A lot more teachers would have died and case counts and deaths generally would have been much higher among school communities if all schools had tried to stay open. Even though small children generally had very mild symptoms, adult child care workers and teachers were not less likely than other workers to have severe symptoms. Child care workers had a higher death rate than average workers, a comparable to the death rates of essential workers.

Teachers were essential workers.

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Anonymous wrote:10-20% of pregnancies end in a known miscarriage. That’s not including all of the early unknown miscarriages.
That’s an uncomfortably high percentage of women facing denied healthcare in their red state due to draconian abortion bans. They want to force these laws on the entire nation with a federal ban.
That’s approximately a million women every year in the US at risk due to extreme laws enacted by “pro life” republicans.
How many years is a woman fertile? How many years does she play roulette with those laws?
I agree that men identifying as women should not be housed in prisons but the entire female prison population of the United States is approximately 90,000.
When I look at risk calculus I’m more immediately concerned for my daughter’s health.

This.
Having received a life-saving inmates. abortion (methotrexate to treat an ectopic pregnancy) and conceived one of my DDs via IVF, I'm all too keenly aware of how the red-states' reactions to the overturning of RvW threatens the health and life of women. To say nothing of the current risks to availability of contraception posed by some in the GOP. Birth control pills are used by millions of women to manage and treat symptoms of conditions like PCOS, endometriosis, etc. Threats to contraception impact more than just those trying to avoid pregnancy.
I consider those far more impactful to the vast majority of women than a few trans athletes or inmates. Why should my DDs have less of a right to health care and bodily autonomy than their grandmothers??

Unless you are a Republican, this is irrelevant. This post is about the viewpoints of GOP women of a certain age, not why you feel more impacted by abortion. If you feel that way, vote Dem as you seem to do.

I'm the PP. Born and raised Republican. Considered myself "conservative" based on fiscal beliefs and support of military, but have always been more "middle of the road" on social issues (and I believe I still am).
Started voting split ticket in 2016 because I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump. I refuse to vote for any Republican who supported the overturning of RvW, so I now consider myself independent.
The GOP is losing women like me.

It is hard to understand why the GOP has invested so much into crushing reproductive rights. There seem to be a few posters on here in favor of this position, but for the majority, it's such an extremely unpopular and repulsive position to take. Why is the GOP willing to lose so many voters over this issue that they keep arguing is not really that important?

Are you aware of what the number one issues are for voters right now? Hint, it’s not abortion. I think the more relevant question is why did Biden allow 1.3 million illegals in, in 2023 alone, given how many people list controlling the border as their number one issue?

Your otherness about “illegals” doesn’t negatively affect most people. In fact the work of “illegals” keeps agriculture, manufacturing, and much of the service industry running. Without them, prices would be higher because all of the red state whiners on federal disability won’t do those jobs.
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Native born Americans lost 300k jobs last year according to the bureau of labor statistics. Still think things are going just swimmingly and that Biden’s border mess won’t matter?

Will you please point me to the data? Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

The bolded is a straight up lie. It was known early on that children had lower viral loads, one of reason they don't really get that sick with Covid.

And stop will the BS about teachers being on the front lines. They were locked in their homes getting instacart and asynchronously phoning in their jobs. There were no higher rates of teachers dying any more than the average 25-45 year old, which was minimal and if it happened was generally due to already poor health. Just like every other profession.

You do not get to down play what we all witness.

We need you to acknowledge that school closures were a disaster because schools ARE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. They never should have been closed past June 2020. That is how you keep mothers in the workforce.

You are not making sense. Teachers didn’t die in big numbers BECAUSE schools went virtual as soon as cases were confirmed on their campuses. You are using the success of the restrictions to argue against restrictions. A lot more teachers would have died and case counts and deaths generally would have been much higher among school communities if all schools had tried to stay open. Even though small children generally had very mild symptoms, adult child care workers and teachers were not less likely than other workers to have severe symptoms. Child care workers had a higher death rate than average workers, a comparable to the death rates of essential workers.

Your personal and nearly religious belief in the efficacy of the lockdowns flies in the face of the scientific evidence and contradicts data from Europe and other areas of the world that opened up schools much earlier and never masked young children without significant differences in health outcomes. The fact of the matter is that we do not have evidence that the lockdowns worked. Read the medical journals which have been reviewing the evidence over the past couple years.

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Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Disagreement isn’t hate or paranoia. If you want to debate issues, start with facts and not name calling that frankly people are simply tired of.

Calling those that have had an abortion, or lost an embryo in fertility treatments, murderers, is name calling. And frankly people are really tired of it.

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Anonymous wrote:10-20% of pregnancies end in a known miscarriage. That’s not including all of the early unknown miscarriages.
That’s an uncomfortably high percentage of women facing denied healthcare in their red state due to draconian abortion bans. They want to force these laws on the entire nation with a federal ban.
That’s approximately a million women every year in the US at risk due to extreme laws enacted by “pro life” republicans.
How many years is a woman fertile? How many years does she play roulette with those laws?
I agree that men identifying as women should not be housed in prisons but the entire female prison population of the United States is approximately 90,000.
When I look at risk calculus I’m more immediately concerned for my daughter’s health.

This.
Having received a life-saving inmates. abortion (methotrexate to treat an ectopic pregnancy) and conceived one of my DDs via IVF, I'm all too keenly aware of how the red-states' reactions to the overturning of RvW threatens the health and life of women. To say nothing of the current risks to availability of contraception posed by some in the GOP. Birth control pills are used by millions of women to manage and treat symptoms of conditions like PCOS, endometriosis, etc. Threats to contraception impact more than just those trying to avoid pregnancy.
I consider those far more impactful to the vast majority of women than a few trans athletes or inmates. Why should my DDs have less of a right to health care and bodily autonomy than their grandmothers??

Unless you are a Republican, this is irrelevant. This post is about the viewpoints of GOP women of a certain age, not why you feel more impacted by abortion. If you feel that way, vote Dem as you seem to do.

I'm the PP. Born and raised Republican. Considered myself "conservative" based on fiscal beliefs and support of military, but have always been more "middle of the road" on social issues (and I believe I still am).
Started voting split ticket in 2016 because I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump. I refuse to vote for any Republican who supported the overturning of RvW, so I now consider myself independent.
The GOP is losing women like me.

It is hard to understand why the GOP has invested so much into crushing reproductive rights. There seem to be a few posters on here in favor of this position, but for the majority, it's such an extremely unpopular and repulsive position to take. Why is the GOP willing to lose so many voters over this issue that they keep arguing is not really that important?

Are you aware of what the number one issues are for voters right now? Hint, it’s not abortion. I think the more relevant question is why did Biden allow 1.3 million illegals in, in 2023 alone, given how many people list controlling the border as their number one issue?

I am responding to the posters on here that saying it is a defining issue. In addition it has clearly resonated in every referendum election held since roe. The talking point that the voters don't care about it does not seem to match up with what is happening in the voting booth.

But no, the people saying abortion is a defining issue on this thread are liberals who can’t understand women who don’t think the same way they do. They aren’t the Republican women who are either pro life or happy that the issue is now at the state level or are satisfied with the direction their own states have taken OR, lastly, are simply not driven by abortion when it comes to their vote.

No, try again. I'm the former-Republican PP from up thread a bit. I'm not a liberal, and I'm not some weird outlier. But this is absolutely my hill to die on when it comes to supporting candidates with my vote. What good are the other issues if bodily autonomy and the right to appropriate healthcare (in case of a dangerous pregnancy or pregnancy loss) aren't protected for everyone in this country?

So you aren’t a republican.

GOP leaders endorsing and enacting policies that very well could have cost me my life when I had a doomed pregnancy 6 years ago, or at the very least could have robbed me of what fertility I had left at that point certainly has changed my mind, yes.
You think I'm the only one? Or do we not matter anymore?
Overturning RvW and attacking access to contraception isn't likely to win over women voters.