Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

Teachers are essential workers, as essential as grocery store workers. Critical to the functioning of society.

We should have prioritized keeping elementary school aged kids in school. Remote learning was not developmentally appropriate. We shouldn't have demonizing parents for saying so. The teachers unions shouldn't have set teachers as adversarial against our young children.

Teachers, if you actually cared you should have been willing to die for my child.

It wasn't about YOUR child, it was about everyone's children AND the teachers.

And the proper answer would have been to keep the schools open.

Some places did and then had to close them almost immediately because schools spread pandemics faster than anyplace except cruise ships and nursing homes. You must have slept through 2020 if you believe schools could have remained open.

No, they most definitely did not have to close the schools because of Covid.You are aware that the US was an outlier for school closures including in 2020? And that even once schools remained open, COVID continued to be an issue through the various strains but we didn’t close down because of them? Life went on.

I know it’s hard to realize that the science doesn’t support school closures and never did, but it’s the reality.

Correct. Covid deaths peaked in January 22 after the closures ended. The closures were not effective.

Repeat that to yourself more slowly. Covid deaths peaked AFTER closures ended. Seems to me that's an indicator that closures DID help prevent deaths. Closures obviously weren't even remotely 100% effective but it does seem they did help while they were in effect. If partially but not fully effective is not worthwhile then why do we have railings on stairs, seatbelts in cars, and so on?

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

No one is answering you, because this is a non issue that you made up. Part of the "Dem platform"? Absolute BS.

It doesn't matter how many times you post utter BS, it remains utter BS.

Do you think it’s not happening? Or that democrats don’t support it? Because that’s just not true. It is happening, and it’s being pushed forward by democrats.

In NY: https://jimowles.org/news/hochul-wants-transgender-inmates-to-choose-where-theyre-housed-in-prisons

In NJ: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011181718/new-jersey-prisoners-will-be-placed-based-on-gender-identity-under-a-new-policy

In CA: https://apnews.com/article/us-news-laws-gavin-newsom-ca-state-wire-lifestyle-14cd954b06360d21349b77233318369e

In CT: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/389512-aclu-praises-connecticut-for-passing-most-protective-transgender/damp/?nxs-test=damp

From your first link,

"In 2014, the city created a special housing unit on Rikers Island for transgender inmates — those who were born male but identify as female."

Do you even know what a SHU is? It's SEPARATE housing. The trans prisoners are SEPARATED from the general population. That's very very different from your disingenuous narrative about how the libs want big hairy guys with swinging dicks loping freely through prisons raping female prisoners.

That was in 2014. In 2022 a woman in Rikers in NY was raped by a man in shared prison housing. It sounds like you agree that persons with male genitalia should not be housed with women in prison. I look forward to your opposition to these laws that require prison placement by gender identity instead of sex.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/metro/man-posing-as-trans-woman-raped-female-prisoner-at-rikers-lawsuit/amp/

Don't take that haughty "well I see that you agree" tone with me. On this thread, I have consistently said from the start that they should be housed separately. Trans prisoners may be the victimizers in shared prison environments are also far more likely to be the targets of abuse as well. And that also trashes your narrative about how Dems are all just these narrow minded "followers" who say you have to vote on the basis of your ovaries and who care about abortion and abortion only. Also, the prison issue does not in any way dissuade me from continuing to vote Dem, because there is a much bigger range of issues at stake.

You really need to start leaving your narrow and ill-informed viewpoints at the door because every attempt of your to push a narrative about what Dems and liberals are about seems to be a wild swing and a miss.

DP

I’m not the PP but here is what you and many other Democrats do not get about your constant dismissal of issues related to trans rights and the superseding of women’s rights. The constant response is exactly like what you wrote above, where the instances where women are victimized are picked apart as rarities, and presented in isolation. Oh, only a few women are raped in prison by transwomen. Oh, only a few of your daughters lose to trans girls in sports, and why do your daughters even have ambition in sport anyhow? They should be happy to let boys win; that’s “being kind” anyhow and sports ambition in girls is ugly. Oh, transwomen just want to pee and only a few male predators will take advantage of the new inability to remove creepy men from restrooms. Oh, the transwomen sending rape threats to JK Rowling and other women who stand up for women’s rights are rare and they are autistic anyhow so you should be kind and understand that their rape threats are acceptable because they struggle emotionally. Oh, you should be happy being referred to as an “front hole,” because that’s more inclusive. And so on, across individual events and issues.

You don’t understand that many, many women don’t view and won’t view all these events in isolation. They see this as a constellation, all these indicators of how Democrats value women and girls. You want to minimize into discrete events precisely so you can hide the overall picture. But women are too smart for that.

In the end, this is where we are: The Democrats see women as public emotional support animals for men and boys. The Republicans see women as private reproductive chattel. We are living Andrea Dworkin’s observation that conservative men see women as private property and liberal men see women as public property.

So, if both parties equally dehumanize women, women voters who choose to still participate in the political system are going to probably start voting for other reasons: education, immigration, crime, etc. They are also going to start disassociating with either party (which is already happening; women are increasingly registering as independent).

You can scream at them about how they are wrong and you are right, you can gaslight them and insult them, you can use racist and sexist words to describe women who pick a different path than you, but none of that will (a) work to change minds and (b) matter at all.

This isn’t a pie - women don’t lose rights because trans people are gaining rights.

When a woman is raped because a man declared his right to share a prison cell with her due to his gender identity, she has lost rights.

When a girl stands on the second step of a podium because a boy who said he is a girl is on the first step, she has lost rights.

When a woman is in a locker room and finds her naked self in front of a naked man and nothing can be done about it because he says he’s a woman, she has lost rights.

Both men and women are victims of prison rape. There's an underlying problem that goes beyond any gender identity issue.

Regarding locker rooms: Trans women are women. They would be more out of place in a men's locker room than in a women's locker room. Just like trans men are men. Do you really want them in the women's locker room?

Of the three points you make, I find the one regarding trans women participating in women's sports the most compelling. I don't know what a solution might be - create a separate division for trans women? But...it's sports. Most people I know will base their choice at the ballot box on something other than sports.

Just stop it with that garbage. It is such a silly statement. They aren’t women anymore than they are sea otters. Stop trying to gaslight America

Call it silly, but gender reassignment surgery is a thing. If a woman has the same parts as you do, what is the big deal?

But the vast majority never do anything and keep and use their dicks. Read up!

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

Teachers are essential workers, as essential as grocery store workers. Critical to the functioning of society.

We should have prioritized keeping elementary school aged kids in school. Remote learning was not developmentally appropriate. We shouldn't have demonizing parents for saying so. The teachers unions shouldn't have set teachers as adversarial against our young children.

Teachers, if you actually cared you should have been willing to die for my child.

It wasn't about YOUR child, it was about everyone's children AND the teachers.

And the proper answer would have been to keep the schools open.

Some places did and then had to close them almost immediately because schools spread pandemics faster than anyplace except cruise ships and nursing homes. You must have slept through 2020 if you believe schools could have remained open.

No, they most definitely did not have to close the schools because of Covid.You are aware that the US was an outlier for school closures including in 2020? And that even once schools remained open, COVID continued to be an issue through the various strains but we didn’t close down because of them? Life went on.

I know it’s hard to realize that the science doesn’t support school closures and never did, but it’s the reality.

Correct. Covid deaths peaked in January 22 after the closures ended. The closures were not effective.

Deaths peaked in Jan 2021 because millions of people traveled over the holidays and spread Covid among their family members and then they all carried the new variants back home to spread in their communities.

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The joke is on republican and more specifically, Trump voters

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

No one is answering you, because this is a non issue that you made up. Part of the "Dem platform"? Absolute BS.

It doesn't matter how many times you post utter BS, it remains utter BS.

Do you think it’s not happening? Or that democrats don’t support it? Because that’s just not true. It is happening, and it’s being pushed forward by democrats.

In NY: https://jimowles.org/news/hochul-wants-transgender-inmates-to-choose-where-theyre-housed-in-prisons

In NJ: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011181718/new-jersey-prisoners-will-be-placed-based-on-gender-identity-under-a-new-policy

In CA: https://apnews.com/article/us-news-laws-gavin-newsom-ca-state-wire-lifestyle-14cd954b06360d21349b77233318369e

In CT: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/389512-aclu-praises-connecticut-for-passing-most-protective-transgender/damp/?nxs-test=damp

From your first link,

"In 2014, the city created a special housing unit on Rikers Island for transgender inmates — those who were born male but identify as female."

Do you even know what a SHU is? It's SEPARATE housing. The trans prisoners are SEPARATED from the general population. That's very very different from your disingenuous narrative about how the libs want big hairy guys with swinging dicks loping freely through prisons raping female prisoners.

That was in 2014. In 2022 a woman in Rikers in NY was raped by a man in shared prison housing. It sounds like you agree that persons with male genitalia should not be housed with women in prison. I look forward to your opposition to these laws that require prison placement by gender identity instead of sex.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/metro/man-posing-as-trans-woman-raped-female-prisoner-at-rikers-lawsuit/amp/

Don't take that haughty "well I see that you agree" tone with me. On this thread, I have consistently said from the start that they should be housed separately. Trans prisoners may be the victimizers in shared prison environments are also far more likely to be the targets of abuse as well. And that also trashes your narrative about how Dems are all just these narrow minded "followers" who say you have to vote on the basis of your ovaries and who care about abortion and abortion only. Also, the prison issue does not in any way dissuade me from continuing to vote Dem, because there is a much bigger range of issues at stake.

You really need to start leaving your narrow and ill-informed viewpoints at the door because every attempt of your to push a narrative about what Dems and liberals are about seems to be a wild swing and a miss.

DP

I’m not the PP but here is what you and many other Democrats do not get about your constant dismissal of issues related to trans rights and the superseding of women’s rights. The constant response is exactly like what you wrote above, where the instances where women are victimized are picked apart as rarities, and presented in isolation. Oh, only a few women are raped in prison by transwomen. Oh, only a few of your daughters lose to trans girls in sports, and why do your daughters even have ambition in sport anyhow? They should be happy to let boys win; that’s “being kind” anyhow and sports ambition in girls is ugly. Oh, transwomen just want to pee and only a few male predators will take advantage of the new inability to remove creepy men from restrooms. Oh, the transwomen sending rape threats to JK Rowling and other women who stand up for women’s rights are rare and they are autistic anyhow so you should be kind and understand that their rape threats are acceptable because they struggle emotionally. Oh, you should be happy being referred to as an “front hole,” because that’s more inclusive. And so on, across individual events and issues.

You don’t understand that many, many women don’t view and won’t view all these events in isolation. They see this as a constellation, all these indicators of how Democrats value women and girls. You want to minimize into discrete events precisely so you can hide the overall picture. But women are too smart for that.

In the end, this is where we are: The Democrats see women as public emotional support animals for men and boys. The Republicans see women as private reproductive chattel. We are living Andrea Dworkin’s observation that conservative men see women as private property and liberal men see women as public property.

So, if both parties equally dehumanize women, women voters who choose to still participate in the political system are going to probably start voting for other reasons: education, immigration, crime, etc. They are also going to start disassociating with either party (which is already happening; women are increasingly registering as independent).

You can scream at them about how they are wrong and you are right, you can gaslight them and insult them, you can use racist and sexist words to describe women who pick a different path than you, but none of that will (a) work to change minds and (b) matter at all.

This isn’t a pie - women don’t lose rights because trans people are gaining rights.

When a woman is raped because a man declared his right to share a prison cell with her due to his gender identity, she has lost rights.

When a girl stands on the second step of a podium because a boy who said he is a girl is on the first step, she has lost rights.

When a woman is in a locker room and finds her naked self in front of a naked man and nothing can be done about it because he says he’s a woman, she has lost rights.

Both men and women are victims of prison rape. There's an underlying problem that goes beyond any gender identity issue.

Regarding locker rooms: Trans women are women. They would be more out of place in a men's locker room than in a women's locker room. Just like trans men are men. Do you really want them in the women's locker room?

Of the three points you make, I find the one regarding trans women participating in women's sports the most compelling. I don't know what a solution might be - create a separate division for trans women? But...it's sports. Most people I know will base their choice at the ballot box on something other than sports.

Just stop it with that garbage. It is such a silly statement. They aren’t women anymore than they are sea otters. Stop trying to gaslight America

Call it silly, but gender reassignment surgery is a thing. If a woman has the same parts as you do, what is the big deal?

But the vast majority never do anything and keep and use their dicks. Read up!

So your issue is only with pre-op transgender people and not transgender people in general?

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Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Republican women: you are stupid, hateful and illogical.

--winning Democrat message

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Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Republican women: you are stupid, hateful and illogical.

--winning Democrat message

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

No one is answering you, because this is a non issue that you made up. Part of the "Dem platform"? Absolute BS.

It doesn't matter how many times you post utter BS, it remains utter BS.

Do you think it’s not happening? Or that democrats don’t support it? Because that’s just not true. It is happening, and it’s being pushed forward by democrats.

In NY: https://jimowles.org/news/hochul-wants-transgender-inmates-to-choose-where-theyre-housed-in-prisons

In NJ: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011181718/new-jersey-prisoners-will-be-placed-based-on-gender-identity-under-a-new-policy

In CA: https://apnews.com/article/us-news-laws-gavin-newsom-ca-state-wire-lifestyle-14cd954b06360d21349b77233318369e

In CT: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/389512-aclu-praises-connecticut-for-passing-most-protective-transgender/damp/?nxs-test=damp

From your first link,

"In 2014, the city created a special housing unit on Rikers Island for transgender inmates — those who were born male but identify as female."

Do you even know what a SHU is? It's SEPARATE housing. The trans prisoners are SEPARATED from the general population. That's very very different from your disingenuous narrative about how the libs want big hairy guys with swinging dicks loping freely through prisons raping female prisoners.

That was in 2014. In 2022 a woman in Rikers in NY was raped by a man in shared prison housing. It sounds like you agree that persons with male genitalia should not be housed with women in prison. I look forward to your opposition to these laws that require prison placement by gender identity instead of sex.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/metro/man-posing-as-trans-woman-raped-female-prisoner-at-rikers-lawsuit/amp/

Don't take that haughty "well I see that you agree" tone with me. On this thread, I have consistently said from the start that they should be housed separately. Trans prisoners may be the victimizers in shared prison environments are also far more likely to be the targets of abuse as well. And that also trashes your narrative about how Dems are all just these narrow minded "followers" who say you have to vote on the basis of your ovaries and who care about abortion and abortion only. Also, the prison issue does not in any way dissuade me from continuing to vote Dem, because there is a much bigger range of issues at stake.

You really need to start leaving your narrow and ill-informed viewpoints at the door because every attempt of your to push a narrative about what Dems and liberals are about seems to be a wild swing and a miss.

DP

I’m not the PP but here is what you and many other Democrats do not get about your constant dismissal of issues related to trans rights and the superseding of women’s rights. The constant response is exactly like what you wrote above, where the instances where women are victimized are picked apart as rarities, and presented in isolation. Oh, only a few women are raped in prison by transwomen. Oh, only a few of your daughters lose to trans girls in sports, and why do your daughters even have ambition in sport anyhow? They should be happy to let boys win; that’s “being kind” anyhow and sports ambition in girls is ugly. Oh, transwomen just want to pee and only a few male predators will take advantage of the new inability to remove creepy men from restrooms. Oh, the transwomen sending rape threats to JK Rowling and other women who stand up for women’s rights are rare and they are autistic anyhow so you should be kind and understand that their rape threats are acceptable because they struggle emotionally. Oh, you should be happy being referred to as an “front hole,” because that’s more inclusive. And so on, across individual events and issues.

You don’t understand that many, many women don’t view and won’t view all these events in isolation. They see this as a constellation, all these indicators of how Democrats value women and girls. You want to minimize into discrete events precisely so you can hide the overall picture. But women are too smart for that.

In the end, this is where we are: The Democrats see women as public emotional support animals for men and boys. The Republicans see women as private reproductive chattel. We are living Andrea Dworkin’s observation that conservative men see women as private property and liberal men see women as public property.

So, if both parties equally dehumanize women, women voters who choose to still participate in the political system are going to probably start voting for other reasons: education, immigration, crime, etc. They are also going to start disassociating with either party (which is already happening; women are increasingly registering as independent).

You can scream at them about how they are wrong and you are right, you can gaslight them and insult them, you can use racist and sexist words to describe women who pick a different path than you, but none of that will (a) work to change minds and (b) matter at all.

This isn’t a pie - women don’t lose rights because trans people are gaining rights.

When a woman is raped because a man declared his right to share a prison cell with her due to his gender identity, she has lost rights.

When a girl stands on the second step of a podium because a boy who said he is a girl is on the first step, she has lost rights.

When a woman is in a locker room and finds her naked self in front of a naked man and nothing can be done about it because he says he’s a woman, she has lost rights.

Both men and women are victims of prison rape. There's an underlying problem that goes beyond any gender identity issue.

Regarding locker rooms: Trans women are women. They would be more out of place in a men's locker room than in a women's locker room. Just like trans men are men. Do you really want them in the women's locker room?

Of the three points you make, I find the one regarding trans women participating in women's sports the most compelling. I don't know what a solution might be - create a separate division for trans women? But...it's sports. Most people I know will base their choice at the ballot box on something other than sports.

Just stop it with that garbage. It is such a silly statement. They aren’t women anymore than they are sea otters. Stop trying to gaslight America

Call it silly, but gender reassignment surgery is a thing. If a woman has the same parts as you do, what is the big deal?

But the vast majority never do anything and keep and use their dicks. Read up!

So your issue is only with pre-op transgender people and not transgender people in general?

Dp- I’m a democrat and this is basically where I land.

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Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Republican women: you are stupid, hateful and illogical.

--winning Democrat message

From where a lot of Americans stand, it's not an incorrect observation to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Republican women: you are stupid, hateful and illogical.

--winning Democrat message

From where a lot of Americans stand, it's not an incorrect observation to make.

That's fine. Just don't be surprised that people you hold in contempt don't vote for the same candidates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

The bolded is a straight up lie. It was known early on that children had lower viral loads, one of reason they don't really get that sick with Covid.

And stop will the BS about teachers being on the front lines. They were locked in their homes getting instacart and asynchronously phoning in their jobs. There were no higher rates of teachers dying any more than the average 25-45 year old, which was minimal and if it happened was generally due to already poor health. Just like every other profession.

You do not get to down play what we all witness.

We need you to acknowledge that school closures were a disaster because schools ARE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. They never should have been closed past June 2020. That is how you keep mothers in the workforce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Republican women: you are stupid, hateful and illogical.

--winning Democrat message

From where a lot of Americans stand, it's not an incorrect observation to make.

That's fine. Just don't be surprised that people you hold in contempt don't vote for the same candidates.

Only stupid, hateful, and illogical people identify with the Republican Party. They are proud to be anti-intellectual, belligerent, and paranoid. How else could so many privileged and politically connected people delude themselves that they are victims?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I am seeing here is that Republicans have emotional hatred and delusional paranoia toward transgender people, poor immigrants, and basic public health protocols. Targeting fears and prejudices to try to incite panic, as with every other election since 1964.

Republican women: you are stupid, hateful and illogical.

--winning Democrat message

From where a lot of Americans stand, it's not an incorrect observation to make.

That's fine. Just don't be surprised that people you hold in contempt don't vote for the same candidates.

Only stupid, hateful, and illogical people identify with the Republican Party. They are proud to be anti-intellectual, belligerent, and paranoid. How else could so many privileged and politically connected people delude themselves that they are victims?

You got me.

Hope republican women are getting their cocktail carts and aprons ready so they can have a cocktail and dinner waiting when the man of the house gets home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

The bolded is a straight up lie. It was known early on that children had lower viral loads, one of reason they don't really get that sick with Covid.

And stop will the BS about teachers being on the front lines. They were locked in their homes getting instacart and asynchronously phoning in their jobs. There were no higher rates of teachers dying any more than the average 25-45 year old, which was minimal and if it happened was generally due to already poor health. Just like every other profession.

You do not get to down play what we all witness.

We need you to acknowledge that school closures were a disaster because schools ARE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. They never should have been closed past June 2020. That is how you keep mothers in the workforce.

Nope. it's an absolute fact. The contact tracing data shows it. You calling it "a straight up lie" won't change the data.

Children still had viral loads nonetheless, shared them with each other, and brought them home to vulnerable relatives, like grandparents. And the number of teachers dying dropped off once protocols were enacted.