Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

It’s telling that Bragg chose not to present this to a Grand Jury. He knew he wouldn’t have gotten an indictment so he decided to bypass that process. If you aren’t confident in getting indictment what would make him think they will be able to get a conviction?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good charge and he will be convicted. This guy’s disproportionate use of force was just as crazy as the man having a mental illness breakdown.

Think about it: this guy held a chokehold until the mentally ill man pissed all over himself and evacuated his bowels. And then he kept choking him.

Two loons met in a train. Sad.

After Alvin Bragg charged and jailed the bodega worker who defended himself against a violent attacker, I am not surprised he would charge Daniel Perry.
This sends a loud and clear message to NYers and anyone visiting NY..... don't get involved. Sure, film incidents with your phone camera, but don't dare try to defend another from a crazed lunatic.

I completely disagree with charging the bodega worker and agree with charging the Marine. There is no way you can go after the store clerk and let this person go.

I have enjoyed reading the debate between the PPs regarding the issues of mentally ill, personal, societal and family responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess strong young men should allow predators to attack women and seniors. The new way.

Who was physically attacked by the guy who was killed? Or are you just arguing Strawmen?

He had a pretty established track record of assault. He landed at least one person in the hospital. People deserve better than waiting around for someone attacking and assaulting people to cross the line into murder. Neely was a disaster waiting to happen and here it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s telling that Bragg chose not to present this to a Grand Jury. He knew he wouldn’t have gotten an indictment so he decided to bypass that process. If you aren’t confident in getting indictment what would make him think they will be able to get a conviction?

The failure of the NYC system is the clear cause of Neely's death. Charging the marine is just going to bring more spotlight to the helplessness of the city's court system and health system to deal with people with mental illness who are also violent. Or anyone else with mental illness, for that matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good charge and he will be convicted. This guy’s disproportionate use of force was just as crazy as the man having a mental illness breakdown.

Think about it: this guy held a chokehold until the mentally ill man pissed all over himself and evacuated his bowels. And then he kept choking him.

Two loons met in a train. Sad.

My understanding (from watching the video) is that the victim didn’t do anything of the sort. The person who was helping the accused responded to the bystander that there was there was an existing stain on the victim’s pants.

I doubt they’ll be able to get a unanimous verdict that the conduct was reckless, as opposed to just negligent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't consider going to NYC for any reason.

Good, we don’t want you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reports out now that Daniel Perry will be charged with Neely's death tomorrow.
The specific charge has not been disclosed.

This did NOT go to a Grand Jury. This was Alvin Bragg's decision.

The warning has been sent. Do not go into the jurisdiction that Alvin Bragg is responsible for.
You are not allowed to protect yourself or loved ones or even strangers.
You are not allowed to defend yourself.
Stay out of NYC.

I am one of the women who lives in NYC and takes the train frequently, and who objects on the basis of actual experience to people making light of the threat presented by unstable people on trains.

However: I do think charges are appropriate. I assume he won’t be charged with murder.

Same. We can’t just let someone kill someone else with literally no consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess strong young men should allow predators to attack women and seniors. The new way.

Who was physically attacked by the guy who was killed? Or are you just arguing Strawmen?

He had a pretty established track record of assault. He landed at least one person in the hospital. People deserve better than waiting around for someone attacking and assaulting people to cross the line into murder. Neely was a disaster waiting to happen and here it is.

Actually, the one that should be charged is Alvin Bragg for letting this guy off the hook so many times.

Neely pleaded guilty to felony assault Feb. 9 in exchange for a 15-month alternative-to-incarceration program, according to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. He was supposed to stay in a treatment facility and abstain from drugs.

If he had completed the program, the felony assault would have been reduced to a misdemeanor, but he skipped a compliance court date and left the facility. A warrant was issued for his arrest on Feb. 23. It wasn't immediately clear how long he spent in jail awaiting the resolution of the assault case.

Court records show that as an adult Neely regularly lashed out at strangers on the subway and on the street.

From January 2020 to August 2021, he was arrested for public lewdness after pulling down his pants and exposing himself to a female stranger, misdemeanor assault for hitting a woman in the face, and criminal contempt for violating a restraining order. All three cases were dismissed as part of his Feb. 9 plea deal.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jordan-neely-history-attacks-subway-riders-nyc-chokehold-death

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess strong young men should allow predators to attack women and seniors. The new way.

Who was physically attacked by the guy who was killed? Or are you just arguing Strawmen?

Who was attacked by him- a seven year old.

Move to a red state for your own protection.

No. Witnesses said he did not assault anyone on the train.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good charge and he will be convicted. This guy’s disproportionate use of force was just as crazy as the man having a mental illness breakdown.

Think about it: this guy held a chokehold until the mentally ill man pissed all over himself and evacuated his bowels. And then he kept choking him.

Two loons met in a train. Sad.

After Alvin Bragg charged and jailed the bodega worker who defended himself against a violent attacker, I am not surprised he would charge Daniel Perry.
This sends a loud and clear message to NYers and anyone visiting NY..... don't get involved. Sure, film incidents with your phone camera, but don't dare try to defend another from a crazed lunatic.

Until I have an armed body guard, not going back to NYC, and I lived there for ten years.

You know that like 8 million of us live here and it’s fine, right? But you couldn’t hack it, so best you stay in Reston.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good charge and he will be convicted. This guy’s disproportionate use of force was just as crazy as the man having a mental illness breakdown.

Think about it: this guy held a chokehold until the mentally ill man pissed all over himself and evacuated his bowels. And then he kept choking him.

Two loons met in a train. Sad.

After Alvin Bragg charged and jailed the bodega worker who defended himself against a violent attacker, I am not surprised he would charge Daniel Perry.
This sends a loud and clear message to NYers and anyone visiting NY..... don't get involved. Sure, film incidents with your phone camera, but don't dare try to defend another from a crazed lunatic.

Until I have an armed body guard, not going back to NYC, and I lived there for ten years.

You know there’s more violence in DC than NYC, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess strong young men should allow predators to attack women and seniors. The new way.

Who was physically attacked by the guy who was killed? Or are you just arguing Strawmen?

He had a pretty established track record of assault. He landed at least one person in the hospital. People deserve better than waiting around for someone attacking and assaulting people to cross the line into murder. Neely was a disaster waiting to happen and here it is.

Which no one on that train could have known, so it’s utter bullshit to use it as an excuse to lay hands on this man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good charge and he will be convicted. This guy’s disproportionate use of force was just as crazy as the man having a mental illness breakdown.

Think about it: this guy held a chokehold until the mentally ill man pissed all over himself and evacuated his bowels. And then he kept choking him.

Two loons met in a train. Sad.

After Alvin Bragg charged and jailed the bodega worker who defended himself against a violent attacker, I am not surprised he would charge Daniel Perry.
This sends a loud and clear message to NYers and anyone visiting NY..... don't get involved. Sure, film incidents with your phone camera, but don't dare try to defend another from a crazed lunatic.

Until I have an armed body guard, not going back to NYC, and I lived there for ten years.

You know there’s more violence in DC than NYC, right?

You know more people are killed in self-defense (or "in self-defense") on the NYC subway than DC metro right? Double-digits last year. How many people were killed by another on the metro last year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess strong young men should allow predators to attack women and seniors. The new way.

Who was physically attacked by the guy who was killed? Or are you just arguing Strawmen?

He had a pretty established track record of assault. He landed at least one person in the hospital. People deserve better than waiting around for someone attacking and assaulting people to cross the line into murder. Neely was a disaster waiting to happen and here it is.

Which no one on that train could have known, so it’s utter bullshit to use it as an excuse to lay hands on this man.

It means when he was acting threateningly, he was apparently really convincing. The bystanders were convinced. Were you there? Why do you think he wasn't threatening?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good charge and he will be convicted. This guy’s disproportionate use of force was just as crazy as the man having a mental illness breakdown.

Think about it: this guy held a chokehold until the mentally ill man pissed all over himself and evacuated his bowels. And then he kept choking him.

Two loons met in a train. Sad.

After Alvin Bragg charged and jailed the bodega worker who defended himself against a violent attacker, I am not surprised he would charge Daniel Perry.
This sends a loud and clear message to NYers and anyone visiting NY..... don't get involved. Sure, film incidents with your phone camera, but don't dare try to defend another from a crazed lunatic.

Until I have an armed body guard, not going back to NYC, and I lived there for ten years.

You know there’s more violence in DC than NYC, right?

You know more people are killed in self-defense (or "in self-defense") on the NYC subway than DC metro right? Double-digits last year. How many people were killed by another on the metro last year?

The subway/metro system isn’t all of the city. You’re more likely to be killed in DC than NYC. Sorry you live in such a shitty dangerous city.