Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:Is my understanding correct that BB was not required to provide an official statement to ANY organization within days of the killings? Did FCPD request an official statement and he refused?

Would Treasury not require their own internal investigation given he used his Treasury firearm?

If he is considered law enforcement, I’m having trouble understanding why he wasn’t required to provide a statement of events. Especially given he freely admitted to shooting Joe with his Treasury firearm.

(Apologies if this has been addressed already.)

This was covered in testimony, he refused to speak with Fairfax. The internal investigation did not require testimony. He appeared at a hearing for Juliana but would not even confirm he was married to Christine. Last week he claimed that he planned to testify at Juliana’s trial. Before she took the plea.

For those that knew him, what do you think of his letters to JPM? Sincere or another long con?

But he certainly suggested in the stand no one asked him and that is why he was telling the story for the first time.

Yes, he maintained that other than at Juliana hearing, he was always perfectly willing to talk, but no one ever asked. I don't understand how he wasn't asked to give q play by play the day he confessed to the shooting.

Because he is a pathological liar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is my understanding correct that BB was not required to provide an official statement to ANY organization within days of the killings? Did FCPD request an official statement and he refused?

Would Treasury not require their own internal investigation given he used his Treasury firearm?

If he is considered law enforcement, I’m having trouble understanding why he wasn’t required to provide a statement of events. Especially given he freely admitted to shooting Joe with his Treasury firearm.

(Apologies if this has been addressed already.)

According to the CW, on the stand the other day was the first time he told that whole story. I don’t know if I would say he didn’t give ANY statement though, for example I’m pretty sure on the 911 call and/or bodycam he says stuff like I shot him, he was stabbing my wife. I don’t remember exactly what he said on which one, but he definitely said stuff.

Soon after that he must have lawyered up and given very minimal statements/explanations besides whatever he had already said. He was driving for Uber to make money while Juliana was in jail. I would assume if he did not give any statements (that added up) he would have been on unpaid admin leave pretty quickly. But even if he did still get his salary, imo it would be pretty tight to pay all their bills plus lawyer bills but I guess that’s where Tess comes in. Christine could have had life insurance but what happens with that when there’s such an investigation? I’m not sure.

I think if he had told that story or even half of it on record anywhere before, the CW case would be somewhat different and stronger (so even if he does appeal or has a hung jury here, I think the evidence would be more overwhelming next time because of this statement).

During the testimony the CW basically said he listened to the CW's evidence throughout the whole trial and then crafted his story around it for his testimony.

I wonder then, why make up something like the work meeting? I don't think it was necessary based on the CW's case, was it? The birthday party in NY I assume was real because he and Juliana discussed it on Discord before the murderers.

He was smart about most of the details, so I wonder why he made up a meeting with his manager, when he knew his managers were both out of town.

More inside baseball for ya'll. I assume, but don't know, that TIGTA was very interested the events that caused the discharge of a government firearm that caused death or serious bodily injury(shop language). As far as the TIGTA investigation, It gets a little nuanced legally as any statement he provided would have been likely subject to a Kalkines warning. As far as I understand, his statements covered under Kalkines could not be used in any criminal procedure.

I understand he was on admin leave and terminated from his position with the IRS shortly before he was arrested.

The ghost meeting has.me a little perplexed. there are a hundred reasons that an agent might need to come in early for that would be hard to disprove. My best guess is that BB told this story previously or there is text messages with CB referencing his meeting and he had to stick with that story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is my understanding correct that BB was not required to provide an official statement to ANY organization within days of the killings? Did FCPD request an official statement and he refused?

Would Treasury not require their own internal investigation given he used his Treasury firearm?

If he is considered law enforcement, I’m having trouble understanding why he wasn’t required to provide a statement of events. Especially given he freely admitted to shooting Joe with his Treasury firearm.

(Apologies if this has been addressed already.)

This was covered in testimony, he refused to speak with Fairfax. The internal investigation did not require testimony. He appeared at a hearing for Juliana but would not even confirm he was married to Christine. Last week he claimed that he planned to testify at Juliana’s trial. Before she took the plea.

For those that knew him, what do you think of his letters to JPM? Sincere or another long con?

But he certainly suggested in the stand no one asked him and that is why he was telling the story for the first time.

He lies. Like he lied about the fantasy work meeting when his supervisors were not even in VA. FC tried to interview him and he would not cooperate.

[Anonymous]

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I never paid enough attention to understand what the kerfuffle was with Miller but wow. How ridiculous for him to assert that it had to be Christine doing the fetlife activity. All you can assert is the timelines and say we can't know who was doing the activity. For him to assert it had to be her, shows he isn't very analytical.

I don’t know about that, it sounded more to me like he concluded in his report that all the activity was from devices known to be “owned” by Christine, with activity coming from the Banfield home, at times when Christine was home (or not connected/clocked in elsewhere). That’s seemingly all true. No one else has provided any time stamp otherwise.

It turns out Brendan had factored that in and gotten ahold of the devices only while Christine was home (whether with permission or not).

What it sounded like to me that some others were incredulous and maybe thought he missed something. It’s a little hard to believe Brendan pulled that off, but it seems like he did. Miller stood by his report at the time and I actually don’t think he’s wrong to do so in the end. Anyway, Carroll was basically just trying to get blood from a turnip, Miller just acknowledged the situation and that it was a unique case, he stood by the report and still does but now they have external corroboration.

There was an email after Juliana flipped that said something like “in light of the proffer we need to review all this again.”

But the result was still mostly the same, someone was using Christine’s devices in the house only while Christine was there. There are many reasons why the activity is off given other things known about Christine, and there are some suspicious gaps in the account use when Juliana and Brendan traveled. But there is no “smoking gun” that anyone has found in the time since that can prove a device was used while Christine was definitely elsewhere, or connect the accounts to a device known to be owned by BB/Juliana (they did get rid of their phones and got new phone IDs right beforehand though, so there was something he wanted to hide. But the account activity could be determined from the Fetlife/Telegram side, so it must have been texts or something).

That is why the CW needed Juliana to flip and why her deal is so good. They could have gone to trial without her but it wouldn’t be as strong of a case and the stakes are high. Juliana provided the external corroboration. On closing the CW acknowledged there are some limits to the digital forensics and basically asked jurors to consider all the evidence as it fits together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is my understanding correct that BB was not required to provide an official statement to ANY organization within days of the killings? Did FCPD request an official statement and he refused?

Would Treasury not require their own internal investigation given he used his Treasury firearm?

If he is considered law enforcement, I’m having trouble understanding why he wasn’t required to provide a statement of events. Especially given he freely admitted to shooting Joe with his Treasury firearm.

(Apologies if this has been addressed already.)

According to the CW, on the stand the other day was the first time he told that whole story. I don’t know if I would say he didn’t give ANY statement though, for example I’m pretty sure on the 911 call and/or bodycam he says stuff like I shot him, he was stabbing my wife. I don’t remember exactly what he said on which one, but he definitely said stuff.

Soon after that he must have lawyered up and given very minimal statements/explanations besides whatever he had already said. He was driving for Uber to make money while Juliana was in jail. I would assume if he did not give any statements (that added up) he would have been on unpaid admin leave pretty quickly. But even if he did still get his salary, imo it would be pretty tight to pay all their bills plus lawyer bills but I guess that’s where Tess comes in. Christine could have had life insurance but what happens with that when there’s such an investigation? I’m not sure.

I think if he had told that story or even half of it on record anywhere before, the CW case would be somewhat different and stronger (so even if he does appeal or has a hung jury here, I think the evidence would be more overwhelming next time because of this statement).

During the testimony the CW basically said he listened to the CW's evidence throughout the whole trial and then crafted his story around it for his testimony.

I wonder then, why make up something like the work meeting? I don't think it was necessary based on the CW's case, was it? The birthday party in NY I assume was real because he and Juliana discussed it on Discord before the murderers.

He was smart about most of the details, so I wonder why he made up a meeting with his manager, when he knew his managers were both out of town.

More inside baseball for ya'll. I assume, but don't know, that TIGTA was very interested the events that caused the discharge of a government firearm that caused death or serious bodily injury(shop language). As far as the TIGTA investigation, It gets a little nuanced legally as any statement he provided would have been likely subject to a Kalkines warning. As far as I understand, his statements covered under Kalkines could not be used in any criminal procedure.

I understand he was on admin leave and terminated from his position with the IRS shortly before he was arrested.

The ghost meeting has.me a little perplexed. there are a hundred reasons that an agent might need to come in early for that would be hard to disprove. My best guess is that BB told this story previously or there is text messages with CB referencing his meeting and he had to stick with that story.

I think he cooked up the morning meeting lie later. He did say the bizarre “I need to call my manager” as he was leaving his home that day with emergency workers, but I don’t see much foundation for it elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is my understanding correct that BB was not required to provide an official statement to ANY organization within days of the killings? Did FCPD request an official statement and he refused?

Would Treasury not require their own internal investigation given he used his Treasury firearm?

If he is considered law enforcement, I’m having trouble understanding why he wasn’t required to provide a statement of events. Especially given he freely admitted to shooting Joe with his Treasury firearm.

(Apologies if this has been addressed already.)

This was covered in testimony, he refused to speak with Fairfax. The internal investigation did not require testimony. He appeared at a hearing for Juliana but would not even confirm he was married to Christine. Last week he claimed that he planned to testify at Juliana’s trial. Before she took the plea.

For those that knew him, what do you think of his letters to JPM? Sincere or another long con?

Who are you people who think he is actually capable of loving someone? Look at her. Is he engaged to her? He stopped talking to her at some point and she realized their relationship was going nowhere. The love letters and everything he says now are part of his game. He was hoping she wouldn't testify against him and is now hoping that she recants because I'm sure he and his attorney feel like they have a strong case to appeal if he is convicted.

I agree with some of your sentiment. I feel like the CW leaned way too far in on the "he loved her" stuff in the closing statements.

I also think the CW did a great job..not perfect but great.

[Anonymous]

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The ghost meeting has.me a little perplexed. there are a hundred reasons that an agent might need to come in early for that would be hard to disprove. My best guess is that BB told this story previously or there is text messages with CB referencing his meeting and he had to stick with that story.

Good point, he probably needed to give Christine a reason for why he was leaving early. Seems like he could have anticipated that and given a more nebulous reason but I suspect there was a web of lies at that point which probably factor into his motive for such a heinous crime. His life was built on a house of cards at that point.

So the most straightforward explanation I think would be that he was going in early so he could leave early to drive up to NY. But, maybe on the basis of other lies and issues with Christine, he had already insisted he was up for a promotion and that became part of the story at the end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is my understanding correct that BB was not required to provide an official statement to ANY organization within days of the killings? Did FCPD request an official statement and he refused?

Would Treasury not require their own internal investigation given he used his Treasury firearm?

If he is considered law enforcement, I’m having trouble understanding why he wasn’t required to provide a statement of events. Especially given he freely admitted to shooting Joe with his Treasury firearm.

(Apologies if this has been addressed already.)

According to the CW, on the stand the other day was the first time he told that whole story. I don’t know if I would say he didn’t give ANY statement though, for example I’m pretty sure on the 911 call and/or bodycam he says stuff like I shot him, he was stabbing my wife. I don’t remember exactly what he said on which one, but he definitely said stuff.

Soon after that he must have lawyered up and given very minimal statements/explanations besides whatever he had already said. He was driving for Uber to make money while Juliana was in jail. I would assume if he did not give any statements (that added up) he would have been on unpaid admin leave pretty quickly. But even if he did still get his salary, imo it would be pretty tight to pay all their bills plus lawyer bills but I guess that’s where Tess comes in. Christine could have had life insurance but what happens with that when there’s such an investigation? I’m not sure.

I think if he had told that story or even half of it on record anywhere before, the CW case would be somewhat different and stronger (so even if he does appeal or has a hung jury here, I think the evidence would be more overwhelming next time because of this statement).

During the testimony the CW basically said he listened to the CW's evidence throughout the whole trial and then crafted his story around it for his testimony.

I wonder then, why make up something like the work meeting? I don't think it was necessary based on the CW's case, was it? The birthday party in NY I assume was real because he and Juliana discussed it on Discord before the murderers.

He was smart about most of the details, so I wonder why he made up a meeting with his manager, when he knew his managers were both out of town.

More inside baseball for ya'll. I assume, but don't know, that TIGTA was very interested the events that caused the discharge of a government firearm that caused death or serious bodily injury(shop language). As far as the TIGTA investigation, It gets a little nuanced legally as any statement he provided would have been likely subject to a Kalkines warning. As far as I understand, his statements covered under Kalkines could not be used in any criminal procedure.

I understand he was on admin leave and terminated from his position with the IRS shortly before he was arrested.

The ghost meeting has.me a little perplexed. there are a hundred reasons that an agent might need to come in early for that would be hard to disprove. My best guess is that BB told this story previously or there is text messages with CB referencing his meeting and he had to stick with that story.

I think he cooked up the morning meeting lie later. He did say the bizarre “I need to call my manager” as he was leaving his home that day with emergency workers, but I don’t see much foundation for it elsewhere.

Yeah he said that he needed to call his manager.. But, in my opinion, this doesn't have anything to do with him missing the ghost meeting. There's a notification process anytime a firearm is discharged outside of training. SA Smith went over some of this during his cross with Carroll.

[Anonymous]

Really hoping for a conviction on Monday.

I think he read or heard about the Winger case and thought he could do it one better with his digital investigative training.

RIP Christine and Joe.

[Anonymous]

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I think he cooked up the morning meeting lie later. He did say the bizarre “I need to call my manager” as he was leaving his home that day with emergency workers, but I don’t see much foundation for it elsewhere.

Another interesting thing is he first asked the officer “did YOU call my manager?” (Emphasis mine). The officer was like “uh no.” After that Brendan said he needed to call at one point. And the officer basically said that wasn’t the priority right now.

I think he meant to report the discharge. He wanted to call before they did I guess, or let them know he knew he needed to. He wanted to seem like an upstanding law enforcement officer? But it’s odd he thought anyone would have had time for that at the point he asked. The ambulance literally hadn’t rolled out yet.

[Anonymous]

The emergency responders clocked him as off right away. Esp when they walked in and bodycam shows he was not rendering aid to CB, despite having a towel, blankets and sheets within reach. He was hoping she bled out faster, no doubt. What an evil shell of a person.

[Anonymous]

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I think he cooked up the morning meeting lie later. He did say the bizarre “I need to call my manager” as he was leaving his home that day with emergency workers, but I don’t see much foundation for it elsewhere.

Another interesting thing is he first asked the officer “did YOU call my manager?” (Emphasis mine). The officer was like “uh no.” After that Brendan said he needed to call at one point. And the officer basically said that wasn’t the priority right now.

I think he meant to report the discharge. He wanted to call before they did I guess, or let them know he knew he needed to. He wanted to seem like an upstanding law enforcement officer? But it’s odd he thought anyone would have had time for that at the point he asked. The ambulance literally hadn’t rolled out yet.

Couldn’t agree more. i think the big takeaway to me is that brendan seems to have trouble grasping what is priority.

There’s a saying that shit always happens when there is an actor(acting ssa). SA Smith is on his last day of a two week acting assignment. SA Smith Lkely spent two weeks without having to talk to even the asac much. Then on his last day acting he gets this call. oof.

[Anonymous]

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I think he cooked up the morning meeting lie later. He did say the bizarre “I need to call my manager” as he was leaving his home that day with emergency workers, but I don’t see much foundation for it elsewhere.

Another interesting thing is he first asked the officer “did YOU call my manager?” (Emphasis mine). The officer was like “uh no.” After that Brendan said he needed to call at one point. And the officer basically said that wasn’t the priority right now.

I think he meant to report the discharge. He wanted to call before they did I guess, or let them know he knew he needed to. He wanted to seem like an upstanding law enforcement officer? But it’s odd he thought anyone would have had time for that at the point he asked. The ambulance literally hadn’t rolled out yet.

It was part of making it all about him and about trying to get them to see him as just another LEO. A murderous one.

[Anonymous]

What if Juliana set this up bc she wanted BB to catch CB with another guy and end his marriage? Then he took the opportunity and killed her and the guy when in reality all Juliana wanted was for him to catch CB w JR?
Juliana could have had access to CB’s laptop. Au pairs also have to complete college credits and she could ask CB to let her use it if she doesn’t have laptop.
Just brainstorming. Both of them are guilty but what if the premeditation wasn’t as CW is presenting? I guess only they know the whole truth!

[Anonymous]

Clearly she hated seeing them together and hated seeing photos of them. The photo CB sent BB in a bathing suit could have triggered something.