Girl Raped at Rockville HS

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what percentage of MCPS students are actually undocumented...though I know it is impossible to know. I have a feeling the number is much smaller than people on this thread would expect. Whole new schools?? There are plenty of horrible incidents at schools involving citizens..

Doesn't answer your question but between 2014 and 2015 only, it looks like MOCO took in 534 undocumented children:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-central-america-unaccompanied-minors-20151126-story.html

Are all 534 are real "children"? I won't call the two 17, 18 yo rapist "children".

Many of our sons (and daughters) are still in high school beginning 18 as seniors as our kids are forced to be held back due to their age/fall birthdays.

Do you not see a difference between an American citizen who is 18 and a senior in high school and an 18 year old, 9th grade, illiterate illegal immigrant who rapes a 14 year old?

Do you really believe that all 18 yr old illegal immigrant freshman rape 14 yr old girls? btw, I don't think 18 yr olds should be freshman, nor do I think 20 yr olds should still be in HS, however, I really don't think his legal status is the reason he raped that girl. An 18 yr old freshman shouldn't be allowed, period, regardless of document status.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what percentage of MCPS students are actually undocumented...though I know it is impossible to know. I have a feeling the number is much smaller than people on this thread would expect. Whole new schools?? There are plenty of horrible incidents at schools involving citizens..

Doesn't answer your question but between 2014 and 2015 only, it looks like MOCO took in 534 undocumented children:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-central-america-unaccompanied-minors-20151126-story.html

Are all 534 are real "children"? I won't call the two 17, 18 yo rapist "children".

Many of our sons (and daughters) are still in high school beginning 18 as seniors as our kids are forced to be held back due to their age/fall birthdays.

Do you not see a difference between an American citizen who is 18 and a senior in high school and an 18 year old, 9th grade, illiterate illegal immigrant who rapes a 14 year old?

Do you really believe that all 18 yr old illegal immigrant freshman rape 14 yr old girls? btw, I don't think 18 yr olds should be freshman, nor do I think 20 yr olds should still be in HS, however, I really don't think his legal status is the reason he raped that girl. An 18 yr old freshman shouldn't be allowed, period, regardless of document status.

I agree. It's a security issue, not related to immigration status.

I did hear a rumor that the reason one of the perpetration had a removal order in place is that he _previously_ commited another sexual assault. I can't confirm it (doesn't show up in MD court records), but he turned 18 in August, so if he committed it while 16, it would not show up in the public records.

That's not an immigration question to me -- we should not allow any offenders of this type into mainstream schools.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'd like to know what percentage of MCPS students are actually undocumented...though I know it is impossible to know. I have a feeling the number is much smaller than people on this thread would expect. Whole new schools?? There are plenty of horrible incidents at schools involving citizens.. [/quote]

Doesn't answer your question but between 2014 and 2015 only, it looks like MOCO took in 534 undocumented children:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-central-america-unaccompanied-minors-20151126-story.html[/quote]

Are all 534 are real "children"? I won't call the two 17, 18 yo rapist "children".[/quote]

Many of our sons (and daughters) are still in high school beginning 18 as seniors as our kids are forced to be held back due to their age/fall birthdays. [/quote]


Do you not see a difference between an American citizen who is 18 and a senior in high school and an 18 year old, 9th grade, illiterate illegal immigrant who rapes a 14 year old?[/quote]
Do you really believe that all 18 yr old illegal immigrant freshman rape 14 yr old girls? btw, I don't think 18 yr olds should be freshman, nor do I think 20 yr olds should still be in HS, however, I really don't think his legal status is the reason he raped that girl. An 18 yr old freshman shouldn't be allowed, period, regardless of document status.[/quote]

I agree. It's a security issue, not related to immigration status.

I did hear a rumor that the reason one of the perpetration had [b]a removal order in place is that he _previously_ commited another sexual assault.[/b] I can't confirm it (doesn't show up in MD court records), but he turned 18 in August, so if he committed it while 16, it would not show up in the public records.

That's not an immigration question to me -- we should not allow any offenders of this type into mainstream schools.[/quote]

OMFG. If that is true, WTF?

I hope more details come out soon and somebody holds MCPS responsible. If there is even a remote chance that this kid was thought to have commited a previous sexual assault and they allowed him back in the HS - I have no words for this insanity. Horrifying.

[Anonymous]

I left the Democratic Party because of this lunacy. On what planet is it unpolitically correct to expel a student for truancy? You show up for meals and then cut class, your ass is expelled. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

PTA Meeting at Rockville HS on Tuesday at 7pm in the auditorium. Rep from MCPD will be there.

Will also start another thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole incident is sickening and heartbreaking. So what can we do about it? MCPS is radio silent which is revolting. What are the answers? How do we get grown illegal men out of the classrooms with American children? This calls for an organized effort and jobs to be lost. Starting with the Super, BOE and the Montgomery council. Worrying here is not going to result in change. Concerned parents are in a vacuum here.

+1

[Anonymous]

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I really wish legal immigrants would fight this battle. They worked long and hard to be here and are being tarnished by illegal immigrants.

They are to some extent: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/Area-Residents-Divided-Over-Proposed-Rockville-Immigration-Ordinance/

Looks like Asians, basically model immigrants, are starting to make their voices heard.

Chinese American community is taking their action :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/these-first-generation-chinese-americans-are-loudly-opposing-sanctuary-laws/2017/03/17/92728e94-09db-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.21ce1d2d533b

But this is not easy. Several of my friends attended the hearing for the trust bill. Before the hearing, Dem senator Susan Lee asked these people whether they were here to support the Trust bill. Susan freaked out when people told her that they were there to oppose the bill. Susan yelled at these people:"Shame on you! where is your heart!" She ordered the security to get these people out. When people protested for what she was doing, the security arrogantly told people:"She is the senator. She has the right to yell do this. " Some of these people luckily managed to stay and attend the hearing. They tried their best to present their powerful testimony. They are just normal hardworking people. As the first generation legal immigrants from a non-English speaking country, most of these people earned an advanced degree from an university here. But they are not good at public speaking especially for such a topic while the opposite side have a bunch of lawyers supported by an organization.

Legal immigrants are contributing their effort to enforce the law and order. Fellow citizens needs to stand up too. You can not keep doing "Illegals come, we move". Where can you move to when there is no place for you to move? Come Chinese immigrants are talking about going back to China. Do other people have a backyard to retreat? Going back to Europe? May God bless you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I left the Democratic Party because of this lunacy. On what planet is it unpolitically correct to expel a student for truancy? You show up for meals and then cut class, your ass is expelled. Problem solved.

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I really wish legal immigrants would fight this battle. They worked long and hard to be here and are being tarnished by illegal immigrants.

They are to some extent: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/Area-Residents-Divided-Over-Proposed-Rockville-Immigration-Ordinance/

Looks like Asians, basically model immigrants, are starting to make their voices heard.

Chinese American community is taking their action :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/these-first-generation-chinese-americans-are-loudly-opposing-sanctuary-laws/2017/03/17/92728e94-09db-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.21ce1d2d533b

But this is not easy. Several of my friends attended the hearing for the trust bill. Before the hearing, Dem senator Susan Lee asked these people whether they were here to support the Trust bill. Susan freaked out when people told her that they were there to oppose the bill. Susan yelled at these people:"Shame on you! where is your heart!" She ordered the security to get these people out. When people protested for what she was doing, the security arrogantly told people:"She is the senator. She has the right to yell do this. " Some of these people luckily managed to stay and attend the hearing. They tried their best to present their powerful testimony. They are just normal hardworking people. As the first generation legal immigrants from a non-English speaking country, most of these people earned an advanced degree from an university here. But they are not good at public speaking especially for such a topic while the opposite side have a bunch of lawyers supported by an organization.

Legal immigrants are contributing their effort to enforce the law and order. Fellow citizens needs to stand up too. You can not keep doing "Illegals come, we move". Where can you move to when there is no place for you to move? Come Chinese immigrants are talking about going back to China. Do other people have a backyard to retreat? Going back to Europe? May God bless you!

Wow. Interesting article. Had not seen it. Thanks for posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I really wish legal immigrants would fight this battle. They worked long and hard to be here and are being tarnished by illegal immigrants.

They are to some extent: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/Area-Residents-Divided-Over-Proposed-Rockville-Immigration-Ordinance/

Looks like Asians, basically model immigrants, are starting to make their voices heard.

Chinese American community is taking their action :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/these-first-generation-chinese-americans-are-loudly-opposing-sanctuary-laws/2017/03/17/92728e94-09db-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.21ce1d2d533b

But this is not easy. Several of my friends attended the hearing for the trust bill. Before the hearing, Dem senator Susan Lee asked these people whether they were here to support the Trust bill. Susan freaked out when people told her that they were there to oppose the bill. Susan yelled at these people:"Shame on you! where is your heart!" She ordered the security to get these people out. When people protested for what she was doing, the security arrogantly told people:"She is the senator. She has the right to yell do this. " Some of these people luckily managed to stay and attend the hearing. They tried their best to present their powerful testimony. They are just normal hardworking people. As the first generation legal immigrants from a non-English speaking country, most of these people earned an advanced degree from an university here. But they are not good at public speaking especially for such a topic while the opposite side have a bunch of lawyers supported by an organization.

Legal immigrants are contributing their effort to enforce the law and order. Fellow citizens needs to stand up too. You can not keep doing "Illegals come, we move". Where can you move to when there is no place for you to move? Come Chinese immigrants are talking about going back to China. Do other people have a backyard to retreat? Going back to Europe? May God bless you!

God bless the hardworking legal immigrants.
THEY are the ones we WANT and NEED.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an MCPS presentation I found online about ESOL and immigrants.

http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2015/151105/20151105_HHSED2.pdf

It doesn't say how many are illegal (because we know they don't ask). But in 2016, it looks like there were just over 22,000 kids county-wide enrolled in ESOL. I don't think that's a huge amount. I don't recall from my brief reading of this what the budget impact of this is.

Hard to say how many of those 22K are illegal. I know several kids in ESOL. They are not illegally here.

22K not a lot??

That is 17% of all the kids in MCPS that are currently on it. That doesn't account for those that have also previously used it. My guess is 30% of all students have been in ESOL at one time or another the last 5 years. That is indeed a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I really wish legal immigrants would fight this battle. They worked long and hard to be here and are being tarnished by illegal immigrants.

They are to some extent: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/Area-Residents-Divided-Over-Proposed-Rockville-Immigration-Ordinance/

Looks like Asians, basically model immigrants, are starting to make their voices heard.

Chinese American community is taking their action :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/these-first-generation-chinese-americans-are-loudly-opposing-sanctuary-laws/2017/03/17/92728e94-09db-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.21ce1d2d533b

But this is not easy. Several of my friends attended the hearing for the trust bill. Before the hearing, Dem senator Susan Lee asked these people whether they were here to support the Trust bill. Susan freaked out when people told her that they were there to oppose the bill. Susan yelled at these people:"Shame on you! where is your heart!" She ordered the security to get these people out. When people protested for what she was doing, the security arrogantly told people:"She is the senator. She has the right to yell do this. " Some of these people luckily managed to stay and attend the hearing. They tried their best to present their powerful testimony. They are just normal hardworking people. As the first generation legal immigrants from a non-English speaking country, most of these people earned an advanced degree from an university here. But they are not good at public speaking especially for such a topic while the opposite side have a bunch of lawyers supported by an organization.

Legal immigrants are contributing their effort to enforce the law and order. Fellow citizens needs to stand up too. You can not keep doing "Illegals come, we move". Where can you move to when there is no place for you to move? Come Chinese immigrants are talking about going back to China. Do other people have a backyard to retreat? Going back to Europe? May God bless you!

Wow. Interesting article. Had not seen it. Thanks for posting.

Here's another:
http://www.rockvillenights.com/2017/03/legal-immigrants-turn-out-in-force-to.html

They delayed the testimony from 1pm to 7pm to wear out the people who had come to Annapolis to testify.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I left the Democratic Party because of this lunacy. On what planet is it unpolitically correct to expel a student for truancy? You show up for meals and then cut class, your ass is expelled. Problem solved.

But they are just kids. They shouldn't be held accountable. We just need to keep helping.

I guess that is what people think. But I agree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what percentage of MCPS students are actually undocumented...though I know it is impossible to know. I have a feeling the number is much smaller than people on this thread would expect. Whole new schools?? There are plenty of horrible incidents at schools involving citizens..

Doesn't answer your question but between 2014 and 2015 only, it looks like MOCO took in 534 undocumented children:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-central-america-unaccompanied-minors-20151126-story.html

Are all 534 are real "children"? I won't call the two 17, 18 yo rapist "children".

Many of our sons (and daughters) are still in high school beginning 18 as seniors as our kids are forced to be held back due to their age/fall birthdays.

Do you not see a difference between an American citizen who is 18 and a senior in high school and an 18 year old, 9th grade, illiterate illegal immigrant who rapes a 14 year old?

Do you really believe that all 18 yr old illegal immigrant freshman rape 14 yr old girls? btw, I don't think 18 yr olds should be freshman, nor do I think 20 yr olds should still be in HS, however, I really don't think his legal status is the reason he raped that girl. An 18 yr old freshman shouldn't be allowed, period, regardless of document status.

I agree. It's a security issue, not related to immigration status.

I did hear a rumor that the reason one of the perpetration had a removal order in place is that he _previously_ commited another sexual assault. I can't confirm it (doesn't show up in MD court records), but he turned 18 in August, so if he committed it while 16, it would not show up in the public records.

That's not an immigration question to me -- we should not allow any offenders of this type into mainstream schools.

It is related to age AND to immigration status.
I am an immigrant, and I know very well how it's done - valid foreign passport, criminal record check on the country of origin, med tests for socially dangerous diseases (HIV/AIDS, TB, cifilis), education level. With no chance to forge any of the above, because an embassy verifies data without involvement of an applicant, and med exam is held in the facility approved by an embasssy.
What of the above was performed on these two criminals?
Do authorities even know how old they are?
Machete Face looks in his early 20s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo Council President Berliner holding weekely briefing right now.

Guess the topic.. A resolution to condemn Trump's proposed budget.

https://www.facebook.com/MyMCMedia/photos/pcb.1432007480204193/1432004333537841/?type=3

Guess that's more important than school safety!

These things are not unrelated. Programming for at risk youth faces enormous cuts in the proposed budget.

We know that federal law mandates these young people be educated. We also know that people would HOWL if the county dedicated a single high school to recent immigrants transitioning to the US school system. So...what is MCPS supposed to do? They can't bar people based on immigration status, and they don't have funding for specialized programs.

Who is going to howl if the county dedicates learning spaces to recent immigrants? I wouldn't, I would be ecstatic.